Another Trump promise broken

[eagle1462010]

Please watch the first 30 seconds of the video...where Trump promises that the US auto industry won't lose one plant.



Another promise that he either had no intention of keeping and/or had no idea how to keep it.


Lots of politicians make promises they don't keep. And when they don't, they should be blamed and held accountable for those broken promises.

Are Trump's base holding him accountable for this blatantly, broken promise?

Yes or no, please?

Of course not.

And this isn’t really anything unique to Trump or his base – it’s the Republican 11th Commandment: Republicans will never be critical of a Republican president no matter how wrong, no matter how many promises broken, no matter how unfit he is to be president; we saw the same thing with GWB.

GWB was a one term President.
Read what the right wing are saying about him.

He was one term because of NO new taxes He gave up a second term by going back on his promise to doing the right thing for our country

He played nice in the race is why he lost.............nothing more.........

NO new taxes killed him

That man gave Clinton the election. Yoda

 

[eagle1462010]

2016 Germany: Total Number of Registered Cars and Top Brands

Chevy isn't even on the map there.........Ford had 7% of total vehicles there...............Not many want to spent the extra 20% on U.S. vehicles there..............

Kinda the point on taking them to the mat.

 

[flacaltenn]

Please watch the first 30 seconds of the video...where Trump promises that the US auto industry won't lose one plant.



Another promise that he either had no intention of keeping and/or had no idea how to keep it.


Lots of politicians make promises they don't keep. And when they don't, they should be blamed and held accountable for those broken promises.

Are Trump's base holding him accountable for this blatantly, broken promise?

Yes or no, please?

GM is NOT sending these product production lines OUT of the country. Which is what Trump was referring to when he said "losing them". He meant losing them to OTHER countries..

MSNBC apparently too stupid or dishonest to get that right. And you just followed in a mindless fashion.

1/2 of the Cadillac models being cut because the Cadillac brand pretty died with Elvis. For instance. NOBODY BUYS Impalas except police dept and some taxi services.

Take a nap. Wake up in 2020 and check if it's safe to continue your life. Spare yourself all the embarrassment of having MSNBC for a brain..

No clue as to how thing work. That's the trademark of letting the partisan media own your brain.

Jobs are lost regardless

Maybe not. GM needs NEW Replacement products. They've already announced their plans. Companies that don't respond to their market die horrible deaths. They just can not build the NEW products at the OLD plants.

Leftists really need to PAUSE and ponder more before they simply parrot some talking points or they'll never understand what's really going on, how complex the issue is or how the world around them and the math and economics ACTUALLY WORKS..

 

[whitehall]

What's not to like when the GDP is around 4.1 for the first time in decades and the DOW hovers around 25,000 and unemployment is at a record low? Why don't left wing robots appreciate the President's new deal with Mexico and Canada and cheer him on? The dirty little secret is that the crazy American left has become the willing agents of the same foreign propaganda as they accused the president.

 

[edward37]

Please watch the first 30 seconds of the video...where Trump promises that the US auto industry won't lose one plant.



Another promise that he either had no intention of keeping and/or had no idea how to keep it.


Lots of politicians make promises they don't keep. And when they don't, they should be blamed and held accountable for those broken promises.

Are Trump's base holding him accountable for this blatantly, broken promise?

Yes or no, please?

GM is NOT sending these product production lines OUT of the country. Which is what Trump was referring to when he said "losing them". He meant losing them to OTHER countries..

MSNBC apparently too stupid or dishonest to get that right. And you just followed in a mindless fashion.

1/2 of the Cadillac models being cut because the Cadillac brand pretty died with Elvis. For instance. NOBODY BUYS Impalas except police dept and some taxi services.

Take a nap. Wake up in 2020 and check if it's safe to continue your life. Spare yourself all the embarrassment of having MSNBC for a brain..

No clue as to how thing work. That's the trademark of letting the partisan media own your brain.

Jobs are lost regardless

Maybe not. GM needs NEW Replacement products. They've already announced their plans. Companies that don't respond to their market die horrible deaths. They just can not build the NEW products at the OLD plants.

Leftists really need to PAUSE and ponder more before they simply parrot some talking points or they'll never understand what's really going on, how complex the issue is or how the world around them and the math and economics ACTUALLY WORKS..

And you think the babbling moron in our WH knows

 

[flacaltenn]

Please watch the first 30 seconds of the video...where Trump promises that the US auto industry won't lose one plant.



Another promise that he either had no intention of keeping and/or had no idea how to keep it.


Lots of politicians make promises they don't keep. And when they don't, they should be blamed and held accountable for those broken promises.

Are Trump's base holding him accountable for this blatantly, broken promise?

Yes or no, please?

GM is NOT sending these product production lines OUT of the country. Which is what Trump was referring to when he said "losing them". He meant losing them to OTHER countries..

MSNBC apparently too stupid or dishonest to get that right. And you just followed in a mindless fashion.

1/2 of the Cadillac models being cut because the Cadillac brand pretty died with Elvis. For instance. NOBODY BUYS Impalas except police dept and some taxi services.

Take a nap. Wake up in 2020 and check if it's safe to continue your life. Spare yourself all the embarrassment of having MSNBC for a brain..

No clue as to how thing work. That's the trademark of letting the partisan media own your brain.

Jobs are lost regardless

Maybe not. GM needs NEW Replacement products. They've already announced their plans. Companies that don't respond to their market die horrible deaths. They just can not build the NEW products at the OLD plants.

Leftists really need to PAUSE and ponder more before they simply parrot some talking points or they'll never understand what's really going on, how complex the issue is or how the world around them and the math and economics ACTUALLY WORKS..

And you think the babbling moron in our WH knows

I know most of his tweets are more coherent than your last post..

Do you understand the diff between the Trump pledge to stop losing jobs to FOREIGN production and an aging arthritic company taking drastic action to update their product line here at home? Do I need to break that down to 130 characters for ya bud?

I could get Trump to explain it to you -- but you just called him a babbling moron. So I'm you're only hope at grasping these concepts..

 

[McRocket]

What's not to like when the GDP is around 4.1 for the first time in decades

No it's not...not even remotely close.

United States GDP Growth Rate | 2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

and the DOW hovers around 25,000

You mean the debt-fuelled, Fed-fuelled 'Big, Fat, Ugly Bubble' as Trump rightly called it? That has been - more or less - skyrocketing since early 2009?

and unemployment is at a record low?

You mean the unemployment rate that Trump (also rightly) called: one of the 'biggest Hoaxes in politics'?

Donald Trump Calls Unemployment Rate One of the "Biggest Hoaxes in Politics"

The U-3 is a complete joke. It was a joke under Obama and it is a joke now.

 

[whitehall]

Please watch the first 30 seconds of the video...where Trump promises that the US auto industry won't lose one plant.



Another promise that he either had no intention of keeping and/or had no idea how to keep it.


Lots of politicians make promises they don't keep. And when they don't, they should be blamed and held accountable for those broken promises.

Are Trump's base holding him accountable for this blatantly, broken promise?

Yes or no, please?

GM is NOT sending these product production lines OUT of the country. Which is what Trump was referring to when he said "losing them". He meant losing them to OTHER countries..

MSNBC apparently too stupid or dishonest to get that right. And you just followed in a mindless fashion.

1/2 of the Cadillac models being cut because the Cadillac brand pretty died with Elvis. For instance. NOBODY BUYS Impalas except police dept and some taxi services.

Take a nap. Wake up in 2020 and check if it's safe to continue your life. Spare yourself all the embarrassment of having MSNBC for a brain..

No clue as to how thing work. That's the trademark of letting the partisan media own your brain.

Jobs are lost regardless

Maybe not. GM needs NEW Replacement products. They've already announced their plans. Companies that don't respond to their market die horrible deaths. They just can not build the NEW products at the OLD plants.

Leftists really need to PAUSE and ponder more before they simply parrot some talking points or they'll never understand what's really going on, how complex the issue is or how the world around them and the math and economics ACTUALLY WORKS..

And you think the babbling moron in our WH knows

Apparently the former babbling moron in the white house couldn't take the GDP to 3% for the only time in modern history.

 

[McRocket]

Please watch the first 30 seconds of the video...where Trump promises that the US auto industry won't lose one plant.



Another promise that he either had no intention of keeping and/or had no idea how to keep it.


Lots of politicians make promises they don't keep. And when they don't, they should be blamed and held accountable for those broken promises.

Are Trump's base holding him accountable for this blatantly, broken promise?

Yes or no, please?

GM is NOT sending these product production lines OUT of the country. Which is what Trump was referring to when he said "losing them". He meant losing them to OTHER countries..

MSNBC apparently too stupid or dishonest to get that right. And you just followed in a mindless fashion.

1/2 of the Cadillac models being cut because the Cadillac brand pretty died with Elvis. For instance. NOBODY BUYS Impalas except police dept and some taxi services.

Take a nap. Wake up in 2020 and check if it's safe to continue your life. Spare yourself all the embarrassment of having MSNBC for a brain..

No clue as to how thing work. That's the trademark of letting the partisan media own your brain.

Jobs are lost regardless

Maybe not. GM needs NEW Replacement products. They've already announced their plans. Companies that don't respond to their market die horrible deaths. They just can not build the NEW products at the OLD plants.

Leftists really need to PAUSE and ponder more before they simply parrot some talking points or they'll never understand what's really going on, how complex the issue is or how the world around them and the math and economics ACTUALLY WORKS..

And you think the babbling moron in our WH knows

Apparently the former babbling moron in the white house couldn't take the GDP to 3% for the only time in modern history.

Where are you getting your stats from...a bubble gum wrapper?

The GDP growth rate under Trump has been (so far) only 2.82%. And it is NOWHERE NEAR the first time it has gone over 3% in 'modern history'.

Unless you call modern history the last few years.

United States GDP Growth Rate | 2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

 

[whitehall]

What's not to like when the GDP is around 4.1 for the first time in decades

No it's not...not even remotely close.

United States GDP Growth Rate | 2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

and the DOW hovers around 25,000

You mean the debt-fuelled, Fed-fuelled 'Big, Fat, Ugly Bubble' as Trump rightly called it? That has been - more or less - skyrocketing since early 2009?

and unemployment is at a record low?

You mean the unemployment rate that Trump (also rightly) called: one of the 'biggest Hoaxes in politics'?

Donald Trump Calls Unemployment Rate One of the "Biggest Hoaxes in Politics"

The U-3 is a complete joke. It was a joke under Obama and it is a joke now.

The solid fact is that the GDP never reached a yearly 3% during the Obama entire eight years. The Trump GDP reached an astonishing 4.1 in his first two years.

 

[McRocket]

Please watch the first 30 seconds of the video...where Trump promises that the US auto industry won't lose one plant.



Another promise that he either had no intention of keeping and/or had no idea how to keep it.


Lots of politicians make promises they don't keep. And when they don't, they should be blamed and held accountable for those broken promises.

Are Trump's base holding him accountable for this blatantly, broken promise?

Yes or no, please?

GM is NOT sending these product production lines OUT of the country. Which is what Trump was referring to when he said "losing them". He meant losing them to OTHER countries..

MSNBC apparently too stupid or dishonest to get that right. And you just followed in a mindless fashion.

1/2 of the Cadillac models being cut because the Cadillac brand pretty died with Elvis. For instance. NOBODY BUYS Impalas except police dept and some taxi services.

Take a nap. Wake up in 2020 and check if it's safe to continue your life. Spare yourself all the embarrassment of having MSNBC for a brain..

No clue as to how thing work. That's the trademark of letting the partisan media own your brain.

Jobs are lost regardless

Maybe not. GM needs NEW Replacement products. They've already announced their plans. Companies that don't respond to their market die horrible deaths. They just can not build the NEW products at the OLD plants.

Total and complete nonsense.
I used to work (briefly) in a Ford plant that re-tooled every few years to a new model. They can build anything they want to in 'old' factories.
It's the equipment and the personnel that matters...not the walls and the roof.

Where is your link to unbiased, factual proof that you 'can not build the new products at the old plants'?

 

[McRocket]

What's not to like when the GDP is around 4.1 for the first time in decades

No it's not...not even remotely close.

United States GDP Growth Rate | 2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

and the DOW hovers around 25,000

You mean the debt-fuelled, Fed-fuelled 'Big, Fat, Ugly Bubble' as Trump rightly called it? That has been - more or less - skyrocketing since early 2009?

and unemployment is at a record low?

You mean the unemployment rate that Trump (also rightly) called: one of the 'biggest Hoaxes in politics'?

Donald Trump Calls Unemployment Rate One of the "Biggest Hoaxes in Politics"

The U-3 is a complete joke. It was a joke under Obama and it is a joke now.

The solid fact is that the GDP never reached a yearly 3% during the Obama entire eight years.

True - but it has not on Trump's watch yet either. Trump has yet to average over 3% GDP growth during a calendar year. He might do it this year - but he hasn't yet.

 

[edward37]

Please watch the first 30 seconds of the video...where Trump promises that the US auto industry won't lose one plant.



Another promise that he either had no intention of keeping and/or had no idea how to keep it.


Lots of politicians make promises they don't keep. And when they don't, they should be blamed and held accountable for those broken promises.

Are Trump's base holding him accountable for this blatantly, broken promise?

Yes or no, please?

GM is NOT sending these product production lines OUT of the country. Which is what Trump was referring to when he said "losing them". He meant losing them to OTHER countries..

MSNBC apparently too stupid or dishonest to get that right. And you just followed in a mindless fashion.

1/2 of the Cadillac models being cut because the Cadillac brand pretty died with Elvis. For instance. NOBODY BUYS Impalas except police dept and some taxi services.

Take a nap. Wake up in 2020 and check if it's safe to continue your life. Spare yourself all the embarrassment of having MSNBC for a brain..

No clue as to how thing work. That's the trademark of letting the partisan media own your brain.

Jobs are lost regardless

Maybe not. GM needs NEW Replacement products. They've already announced their plans. Companies that don't respond to their market die horrible deaths. They just can not build the NEW products at the OLD plants.

Leftists really need to PAUSE and ponder more before they simply parrot some talking points or they'll never understand what's really going on, how complex the issue is or how the world around them and the math and economics ACTUALLY WORKS..

And you think the babbling moron in our WH knows

Apparently the former babbling moron in the white house couldn't take the GDP to 3% for the only time in modern history.

He also didn't give out huge tax cuts and recovering from greatest recession in decades might be part of the reason

 

[flacaltenn]

Please watch the first 30 seconds of the video...where Trump promises that the US auto industry won't lose one plant.



Another promise that he either had no intention of keeping and/or had no idea how to keep it.


Lots of politicians make promises they don't keep. And when they don't, they should be blamed and held accountable for those broken promises.

Are Trump's base holding him accountable for this blatantly, broken promise?

Yes or no, please?

GM is NOT sending these product production lines OUT of the country. Which is what Trump was referring to when he said "losing them". He meant losing them to OTHER countries..

MSNBC apparently too stupid or dishonest to get that right. And you just followed in a mindless fashion.

1/2 of the Cadillac models being cut because the Cadillac brand pretty died with Elvis. For instance. NOBODY BUYS Impalas except police dept and some taxi services.

Take a nap. Wake up in 2020 and check if it's safe to continue your life. Spare yourself all the embarrassment of having MSNBC for a brain..

No clue as to how thing work. That's the trademark of letting the partisan media own your brain.

Jobs are lost regardless

Maybe not. GM needs NEW Replacement products. They've already announced their plans. Companies that don't respond to their market die horrible deaths. They just can not build the NEW products at the OLD plants.

Total and complete nonsense.
I used to work (briefly) in a Ford plant that re-tooled every few years to a new model. They can build anything they want to in 'old' factories.
It's the equipment and the personnel that matters...not the walls and the roof.

Where is your link to unbiased, factual proof that you 'can not build the new products at the old plants'?

It's not nonsense. The GM release says they will replace the dropped models with Electric and Autonomous vehicles. Both are radically different assemblies. No transmissions, drive-trains, engines.

And both require RADICALLY different and more extensive diagnostics and testing before going out..

I know that GM plants like the one near me at Spring Hilll is CLOSER to being able to be re-configured and probably will be. But the flexibility of the PEOPLE at the old plants is the problem. You're not competing anymore with "14 minutes per station" to screw something in. A lot of the new assemblies will require total integration with the multiple computers, displays and controllers within the vehicle.

Walls and doors and concrete floors mean NOTHING if the plant was designed to bolt a bunch of shit together a piece at a time. You will probably have 1/2 the assemblers and the staff will be totally different and focused on testing, diagnostics and electronic integration. Not ICEngines and transmission and radiators.

 

[McRocket]

Please watch the first 30 seconds of the video...where Trump promises that the US auto industry won't lose one plant.



Another promise that he either had no intention of keeping and/or had no idea how to keep it.


Lots of politicians make promises they don't keep. And when they don't, they should be blamed and held accountable for those broken promises.

Are Trump's base holding him accountable for this blatantly, broken promise?

Yes or no, please?

GM is NOT sending these product production lines OUT of the country. Which is what Trump was referring to when he said "losing them". He meant losing them to OTHER countries..

MSNBC apparently too stupid or dishonest to get that right. And you just followed in a mindless fashion.

1/2 of the Cadillac models being cut because the Cadillac brand pretty died with Elvis. For instance. NOBODY BUYS Impalas except police dept and some taxi services.

Take a nap. Wake up in 2020 and check if it's safe to continue your life. Spare yourself all the embarrassment of having MSNBC for a brain..

No clue as to how thing work. That's the trademark of letting the partisan media own your brain.

Jobs are lost regardless

Maybe not. GM needs NEW Replacement products. They've already announced their plans. Companies that don't respond to their market die horrible deaths. They just can not build the NEW products at the OLD plants.

Total and complete nonsense.
I used to work (briefly) in a Ford plant that re-tooled every few years to a new model. They can build anything they want to in 'old' factories.
It's the equipment and the personnel that matters...not the walls and the roof.

Where is your link to unbiased, factual proof that you 'can not build the new products at the old plants'?

It's not nonsense. The GM release says they will replace the dropped models with Electric and Autonomous vehicles. Both are radically different assemblies. No transmissions, drive-trains, engines.

And both require RADICALLY different and more extensive diagnostics and testing before going out..

I know that GM plants like the one near me at Spring Hilll is CLOSER to being able to be re-configured and probably will be. But the flexibility of the PEOPLE at the old plants is the problem. You're not competing anymore with "14 minutes per station" to screw something in. A lot of the new assemblies will require total integration with the multiple computers, displays and controllers within the vehicle.

Walls and doors and concrete floors mean NOTHING if the plant was designed to bolt a bunch of shit together a piece at a time. You will probably have 1/2 the assemblers and the staff will be totally different and focused on testing, diagnostics and electronic integration. Not ICEngines and transmission and radiators.

I am not interested in your guessing - which is what you surely are doing.

Tesla's are one of the most advanced electric cars on the planet. And where are they manufactured?

In a 58 year old, auto factory that originally turned out full size, pickup trucks.

Fremont Assembly - Wikipedia

And it re-tooled just fine for Tesla's.

The walls and the roof of the factory have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with manufacturing limitations on producing modern automobiles (assuming they are large enough - the walls and roof).

Plants get re-tooled ALL THE TIME. I guarantee you GM could build ANY car they wanted at the plants they are shutting down.


Now, I am not knocking GM for what they did. They had over capacity so they closed plants - makes sense. Their stock went up when the moves were announced (so the markets thought it was smart as well).

But your argument that they could not build EV's in those factories is simply not true.

 

[flacaltenn]

GM is NOT sending these product production lines OUT of the country. Which is what Trump was referring to when he said "losing them". He meant losing them to OTHER countries..

MSNBC apparently too stupid or dishonest to get that right. And you just followed in a mindless fashion.

1/2 of the Cadillac models being cut because the Cadillac brand pretty died with Elvis. For instance. NOBODY BUYS Impalas except police dept and some taxi services.

Take a nap. Wake up in 2020 and check if it's safe to continue your life. Spare yourself all the embarrassment of having MSNBC for a brain..

No clue as to how thing work. That's the trademark of letting the partisan media own your brain.

Jobs are lost regardless

Maybe not. GM needs NEW Replacement products. They've already announced their plans. Companies that don't respond to their market die horrible deaths. They just can not build the NEW products at the OLD plants.

Total and complete nonsense.
I used to work (briefly) in a Ford plant that re-tooled every few years to a new model. They can build anything they want to in 'old' factories.
It's the equipment and the personnel that matters...not the walls and the roof.

Where is your link to unbiased, factual proof that you 'can not build the new products at the old plants'?

It's not nonsense. The GM release says they will replace the dropped models with Electric and Autonomous vehicles. Both are radically different assemblies. No transmissions, drive-trains, engines.

And both require RADICALLY different and more extensive diagnostics and testing before going out..

I know that GM plants like the one near me at Spring Hilll is CLOSER to being able to be re-configured and probably will be. But the flexibility of the PEOPLE at the old plants is the problem. You're not competing anymore with "14 minutes per station" to screw something in. A lot of the new assemblies will require total integration with the multiple computers, displays and controllers within the vehicle.

Walls and doors and concrete floors mean NOTHING if the plant was designed to bolt a bunch of shit together a piece at a time. You will probably have 1/2 the assemblers and the staff will be totally different and focused on testing, diagnostics and electronic integration. Not ICEngines and transmission and radiators.

I am not interested in your guessing - which is what you surely are doing.

Tesla's are one of the most advanced electric cars on the planet. And where are they manufactured?

In a 58 year old, auto factory that originally turned out full size, pickup trucks.

Fremont Assembly - Wikipedia

And it re-tooled just fine for Tesla's.

The walls and the roof of the factory have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with manufacturing limitations on producing modern automobiles (assuming they are large enough - the walls and roof).

Plants get re-tooled ALL THE TIME. I guarantee you GM could build ANY car they wanted at the plants they are shutting down.


Now, I am not knocking GM for what they did. They had over capacity so they closed plants - makes sense. Their stock went up when the moves were announced (so the markets thought it was smart as well).

But your argument that they could not build EV's in those factories is simply not true.

BZZZT -- Bad example. I've been to the plant in Fremont. Its one of the FEW PLACES in the US where Musk could have successfully located that plant. Because of being in the heart of Silicon Valley. And he basically gutted it. They have a few CITIES worth of trained electronic and test technicians within commuting distance. And THAT's the workforce that is needed. He's also integrating his OWN battery production largely within that facility.

The major point being --- GM has re-opened shuttered plants before. But the picture of the INVESTMENT potential in one of those old locations changes completely and has more to do with supply chain location, transportation, APPROPRIATE WORKFORCE, and materials flow than an allegiance to walls and floors.

They COULD re-tool in Dearborn, but very few of the current employees would be re-hired. And the supply chain for the BATTERIES and electric motors and computers has to be created in a seamless manner.

Likely Texas and California and maybe North Carolina will be the right locations for Electric and Autonomous vehicles. Companies making the batteries, motors and sophisticated radar, sonar, imaging systems for driver-less have to be in close proximity.

 

[McRocket]

Jobs are lost regardless

Maybe not. GM needs NEW Replacement products. They've already announced their plans. Companies that don't respond to their market die horrible deaths. They just can not build the NEW products at the OLD plants.

Total and complete nonsense.
I used to work (briefly) in a Ford plant that re-tooled every few years to a new model. They can build anything they want to in 'old' factories.
It's the equipment and the personnel that matters...not the walls and the roof.

Where is your link to unbiased, factual proof that you 'can not build the new products at the old plants'?

It's not nonsense. The GM release says they will replace the dropped models with Electric and Autonomous vehicles. Both are radically different assemblies. No transmissions, drive-trains, engines.

And both require RADICALLY different and more extensive diagnostics and testing before going out..

I know that GM plants like the one near me at Spring Hilll is CLOSER to being able to be re-configured and probably will be. But the flexibility of the PEOPLE at the old plants is the problem. You're not competing anymore with "14 minutes per station" to screw something in. A lot of the new assemblies will require total integration with the multiple computers, displays and controllers within the vehicle.

Walls and doors and concrete floors mean NOTHING if the plant was designed to bolt a bunch of shit together a piece at a time. You will probably have 1/2 the assemblers and the staff will be totally different and focused on testing, diagnostics and electronic integration. Not ICEngines and transmission and radiators.

I am not interested in your guessing - which is what you surely are doing.

Tesla's are one of the most advanced electric cars on the planet. And where are they manufactured?

In a 58 year old, auto factory that originally turned out full size, pickup trucks.

Fremont Assembly - Wikipedia

And it re-tooled just fine for Tesla's.

The walls and the roof of the factory have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with manufacturing limitations on producing modern automobiles (assuming they are large enough - the walls and roof).

Plants get re-tooled ALL THE TIME. I guarantee you GM could build ANY car they wanted at the plants they are shutting down.


Now, I am not knocking GM for what they did. They had over capacity so they closed plants - makes sense. Their stock went up when the moves were announced (so the markets thought it was smart as well).

But your argument that they could not build EV's in those factories is simply not true.

BZZZT -- Bad example. I've been to the plant in Fremont. Its one of the FEW PLACES in the US where Musk could have successfully located that plant. Because of being in the heart of Silicon Valley. And he basically gutted it.

And well duh, they gutted it. Try and keep up...EVERY TIME THEY CHANGE MAJOR CAR LINES AT PLANTS THEY BASICALLY GUT THE FACTORIES. And when they modernize - they COMPLETELY gut the factories. I have seen it. Many of my old buddies worked in those plants.

But was the Tesla factory - location, walls and ceiling - new or old for auto manufacturing?

New or old?


And hello?

The Chevy Bolt is an EV.

Where do they manufacture that?

At a 35 year old plant that also manufactures the Sonic - which is NOT an EV. And (as far as I know), they did not have to fire the workers and get all new ones. They just re-trained them and brought in a few EV specialists to supervise/engineer/troubleshoot.

Chevrolet Bolt - Wikipedia
Orion Assembly - Wikipedia

Is the factory that builds the Chevy Bolt EV - the location, walls and roof - new or old for auto manufacturing?

New or old?

Remember, you typed: 'They just can not build the NEW products at the OLD plants.'

 

[pinqy]

What's not to like when the GDP is around 4.1 for the first time in decades

No it's not...not even remotely close.

United States GDP Growth Rate | 2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

and the DOW hovers around 25,000

You mean the debt-fuelled, Fed-fuelled 'Big, Fat, Ugly Bubble' as Trump rightly called it? That has been - more or less - skyrocketing since early 2009?

and unemployment is at a record low?

You mean the unemployment rate that Trump (also rightly) called: one of the 'biggest Hoaxes in politics'?

Donald Trump Calls Unemployment Rate One of the "Biggest Hoaxes in Politics"

The U-3 is a complete joke. It was a joke under Obama and it is a joke now.

The solid fact is that the GDP never reached a yearly 3% during the Obama entire eight years. The Trump GDP reached an astonishing 4.1 in his first two years.

Umm no he hasn’t. 2017 was 2.2% growth, and while 3% is possible for 2018, it’s hardly certain.

You are citing one quarter, Q2 2018, which was 4.2%. Obama had three quarters better:
Q4 2011: 4.7
Q2 2014: 5.1
Q3 2014: 4.9

And several quarters over 3%
Using current Q3 estimates, in order for 2018 to have an annual average growth of over 3%, Q4 will have to show somewhere around 4% growth (going off of memory, I haven’t rechecked the math)

 

[candycorn]

Please watch the first 30 seconds of the video...where Trump promises that the US auto industry won't lose one plant.



Another promise that he either had no intention of keeping and/or had no idea how to keep it.


Lots of politicians make promises they don't keep. And when they don't, they should be blamed and held accountable for those broken promises.

Are Trump's base holding him accountable for this blatantly, broken promise?

Yes or no, please?

They held Obama accountable for every syllable of what he said…while ignoring the broad messages behind Trump’s failures. Intellectual dishonesty is the calling card of the right wing.

 

[candycorn]

Please watch the first 30 seconds of the video...where Trump promises that the US auto industry won't lose one plant.



Another promise that he either had no intention of keeping and/or had no idea how to keep it.


Lots of politicians make promises they don't keep. And when they don't, they should be blamed and held accountable for those broken promises.

Are Trump's base holding him accountable for this blatantly, broken promise?

Yes or no, please?

They held Obama accountable for every syllable of what he said…while ignoring the broad messages behind Trump’s failures. Intellectual dishonesty is the calling card of the right wing.

The blob is basically dishonest so, to defend the blob, requires as much or more dishonesty.