Annexing West Bank

[Sixties Fan]

A two-state solution is not possible with the PLO as it currently exists. They have spent their entire time since Oslo working not to build a state but to destroy one. But maybe, down the road, a Palestinian leadership that no longer fantasizes about destroying Israel can arise. The only way that scenario is remotely possible is if they accept that Israel is not going anywhere, and the only way that could happen is by Israel asserting its rights in a consistent, unapologetic and unflinching way.

Annexation of areas that are unquestioningly going to be part of Israel is more likely to bring peace than pretending that Gush Etzion is on the table could ever do.

And guess what? When Israel acts with pride rather than pandering to liberal American Jewish leaders who are in turn pandering to the New York Times, American Jews who are actually proud of their Jewishness will support them. If these liberal groups want to help Israel, they need to instill pride in their flocks, both in Judaism and in Zionism. These leaders need to learn how to answer the questions that Israel's critics hurl at the Jewish state without acting like frightened shtetl Jews. A big reason Israel is losing the support of young American Jews is because their own Jewish role models are too ignorant or cowed to proudly support Israel unequivocally, and to explain why Israel does what it does.

(full article online)

Why liberal Jews opposing annexing settlement blocs are wrong ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Or maybe Israel is losing Jewish support because Jews, like any other diverse demographic group are capable of thinking for themselves.

Sure, but where is the evidence to what you just posted?

 

[Coyote]

A two-state solution is not possible with the PLO as it currently exists. They have spent their entire time since Oslo working not to build a state but to destroy one. But maybe, down the road, a Palestinian leadership that no longer fantasizes about destroying Israel can arise. The only way that scenario is remotely possible is if they accept that Israel is not going anywhere, and the only way that could happen is by Israel asserting its rights in a consistent, unapologetic and unflinching way.

Annexation of areas that are unquestioningly going to be part of Israel is more likely to bring peace than pretending that Gush Etzion is on the table could ever do.

And guess what? When Israel acts with pride rather than pandering to liberal American Jewish leaders who are in turn pandering to the New York Times, American Jews who are actually proud of their Jewishness will support them. If these liberal groups want to help Israel, they need to instill pride in their flocks, both in Judaism and in Zionism. These leaders need to learn how to answer the questions that Israel's critics hurl at the Jewish state without acting like frightened shtetl Jews. A big reason Israel is losing the support of young American Jews is because their own Jewish role models are too ignorant or cowed to proudly support Israel unequivocally, and to explain why Israel does what it does.

(full article online)

Why liberal Jews opposing annexing settlement blocs are wrong ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Or maybe Israel is losing Jewish support because Jews, like any other diverse demographic group are capable of thinking for themselves.

Sure, but where is the evidence to what you just posted?

It is an opinion, like the article you posted.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Because the majority of the pop consists of filthy Jews...Coyote and Tinmore won’t say it but IMO they think it.

What a stupid thing to say.

Yet several people agree. Just my opinion based on your and Tinmores posts.

Link to a post of mine then.

Stupid people tend to agree with stupid posts. Yet they never seem to be able to support their claims.

We agree on this one. The tendency to pile on with agreement when nobody is supporting their opinions is a sad fact on message boards. You and I can disagree on Palestine and Israel, but the fact that you sympathize with the Palestinians in no may means that you hate the Jews as has been suggested. I find that extrapolation to be ridiculous.

And the fact that I think the Palestinians have refused myriad opportunities to compromise on a peace plan and/or have violated agreements and they have pretty well forfeited their claim to that land does not mean I hate the Palestinians.

The best solution now is for the UN to find and buy a nice piece of land approximately the size of Israel and move the Palestinians there. Islam will never agree to that, however, as it would remove their ability to use the Palestinians for political purposes in their ultimate goal which is to destroy Israel and the Jews.

Foxie, you can not forceably move millians of people who have roots, families and ties to that region going back hundreds if not thousands of years. It isnt a question of whether Islam would accept but it but whether any decent human being could accept it.

1) The Arabs do not have "thousands of years" of history in the Land of Israel. That has been established.

2) Muslim Arabs had no problems of forcibly moving a Million Jews
from 1920 on, be it from their ancient homeland in Gaza, TransJordan, Judea, Samaria, or what is Israel. Israel is the only place where they failed to do so.

3) All "decent" humans have accepted the expulsion of Jews from their homes and homeland from 1920 on. No one cried about it.
No one raised their voices to tell the British to stop the Arabs from attacking Jews and expelling them from their homes and cities in Mandate Palestine, and much less from the rest of the Muslim Arab world from 1948 on.


What seems to be indecent for Jews to do, has always been perfectly decent for Christians and Muslims to do.

 

[Sixties Fan]

A two-state solution is not possible with the PLO as it currently exists. They have spent their entire time since Oslo working not to build a state but to destroy one. But maybe, down the road, a Palestinian leadership that no longer fantasizes about destroying Israel can arise. The only way that scenario is remotely possible is if they accept that Israel is not going anywhere, and the only way that could happen is by Israel asserting its rights in a consistent, unapologetic and unflinching way.

Annexation of areas that are unquestioningly going to be part of Israel is more likely to bring peace than pretending that Gush Etzion is on the table could ever do.

And guess what? When Israel acts with pride rather than pandering to liberal American Jewish leaders who are in turn pandering to the New York Times, American Jews who are actually proud of their Jewishness will support them. If these liberal groups want to help Israel, they need to instill pride in their flocks, both in Judaism and in Zionism. These leaders need to learn how to answer the questions that Israel's critics hurl at the Jewish state without acting like frightened shtetl Jews. A big reason Israel is losing the support of young American Jews is because their own Jewish role models are too ignorant or cowed to proudly support Israel unequivocally, and to explain why Israel does what it does.

(full article online)

Why liberal Jews opposing annexing settlement blocs are wrong ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Or maybe Israel is losing Jewish support because Jews, like any other diverse demographic group are capable of thinking for themselves.

Sure, but where is the evidence to what you just posted?

It is an opinion, like the article you posted.

But the fact remains, that regardless of your opinion (and that was my point ) Jewish support for Israel has not gone down, especially when Jews and pro Israel non Jews see what the behavior on the other side continues to be and what the alternative to standing strong for Israel is.

 

[Foxfyre]

Because the majority of the pop consists of filthy Jews...Coyote and Tinmore won’t say it but IMO they think it.

What a stupid thing to say.

Yet several people agree. Just my opinion based on your and Tinmores posts.

Link to a post of mine then.

Stupid people tend to agree with stupid posts. Yet they never seem to be able to support their claims.

We agree on this one. The tendency to pile on with agreement when nobody is supporting their opinions is a sad fact on message boards. You and I can disagree on Palestine and Israel, but the fact that you sympathize with the Palestinians in no may means that you hate the Jews as has been suggested. I find that extrapolation to be ridiculous.

And the fact that I think the Palestinians have refused myriad opportunities to compromise on a peace plan and/or have violated agreements and they have pretty well forfeited their claim to that land does not mean I hate the Palestinians.

The best solution now is for the UN to find and buy a nice piece of land approximately the size of Israel and move the Palestinians there. Islam will never agree to that, however, as it would remove their ability to use the Palestinians for political purposes in their ultimate goal which is to destroy Israel and the Jews.

Foxie, you can not forceably move millians of people who have roots, families and ties to that region going back hundreds if not thousands of years. It isnt a question of whether Islam would accept but it but whether any decent human being could accept it.

It would be difficult for sure. But when a people will not compromise, will not agree that the Jews should be allowed to live, and who consistently initiate deadly hostilities with the Jews after seventy years of working to accommodate those same people, it is time to stop trying and do something that will work. The Jews also have roots, families, and ties to that region going back much further than Islam does. And it is Islam that objects to Israel, not the rank and file population per se'. Israel deserves to be left alone and live as who and what they are in peace. They do not initiate the hostilities but they do finish the fights. They would like to not have to have the fights.

The Arabs expelled almost all Jews from their countries and have refused to allow the Palestinians to immigrate to their countries and the Israelis would be committing literal suicide if they do. So we should go for the next best solution to the problem.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Because the majority of the pop consists of filthy Jews...Coyote and Tinmore won’t say it but IMO they think it.

What a stupid thing to say.

Yet several people agree. Just my opinion based on your and Tinmores posts.

Link to a post of mine then.

Stupid people tend to agree with stupid posts. Yet they never seem to be able to support their claims.

We agree on this one. The tendency to pile on with agreement when nobody is supporting their opinions is a sad fact on message boards. You and I can disagree on Palestine and Israel, but the fact that you sympathize with the Palestinians in no may means that you hate the Jews as has been suggested. I find that extrapolation to be ridiculous.

And the fact that I think the Palestinians have refused myriad opportunities to compromise on a peace plan and/or have violated agreements and they have pretty well forfeited their claim to that land does not mean I hate the Palestinians.

The best solution now is for the UN to find and buy a nice piece of land approximately the size of Israel and move the Palestinians there. Islam will never agree to that, however, as it would remove their ability to use the Palestinians for political purposes in their ultimate goal which is to destroy Israel and the Jews.

Foxie, you can not forceably move millians of people who have roots, families and ties to that region going back hundreds if not thousands of years. It isnt a question of whether Islam would accept but it but whether any decent human being could accept it.

It would not be forcibly. Give them the option.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

There does come a time when the moral value of some argument simply evaporates with time.

Foxie, you can not forcibly move millians of people who have roots, families and ties to that region going back hundreds if not thousands of years. It isnt a question of whether Islam would accept but it but whether any decent human being could accept it.

(COMMENT)

Even given that there was 700,000 forcibly moved in the onset of the 1948 War of Independents, like Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, they have faded into the Sunset. Even today, the life expectancy of any one of the estimated 700,000 who makes the claim of having been displaced, are walking into the Sunset; even as we speak.

◈ The estimated number of Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, 65 years and over: 3.52% (male 44,662 /female 53,943) (2018 est.)

Current Population Pyramid: ​

◈ Life expectancy at birth: This entry contains the average number of years to be lived by a group of people born in the same year, if mortality at each age remains constant in the future. Life expectancy at birth is also a measure of overall quality of life in a country and summarizes the mortality at all ages. It can also be thought of as indicating the potential return on investment in human capital and is necessary for the calculation of various actuarial measures.

✦ total population: 75.4 years

• male: 73.4 years
• female: 77.6 years (2018 est.)​

If you were an infant → to → 7 years old, among the estimated 700,000 displaced, there would be very few still living today. And in the next decade, the "Right of Return" will be virtually gone. as there would be no Arab Palestinians of the West Bank that experienced the move in 1948. And in that population group, not all of them were actually displaced persons.

So, of those thousands, and the many children, shown in the pictures of storming the border fencing, how many were (truthfully) displaced persons. How many persons 70-year-old, or more, were fighting for the "Right of Return?" How valid (truthfully and morally) is that complaint?

How do were merge the moral and the factual argument?

I think we should consider who is owed what before we determine the compensating package (if any) is warranted.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Coyote]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

There does come a time when the moral value of some argument simply evaporates with time.

Foxie, you can not forcibly move millians of people who have roots, families and ties to that region going back hundreds if not thousands of years. It isnt a question of whether Islam would accept but it but whether any decent human being could accept it.

(COMMENT)

Even given that there was 700,000 forcibly moved in the onset of the 1948 War of Independents, like Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, they have faded into the Sunset. Even today, the life expectancy of any one of the estimated 700,000 who makes the claim of having been displaced, are walking into the Sunset; even as we speak.

◈ The estimated number of Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, 65 years and over: 3.52% (male 44,662 /female 53,943) (2018 est.)

Current Population Pyramid: m​

◈ Life expectancy at birth: This entry contains the average number of years to be lived by a group of people born in the same year, if mortality at each age remains constant in the future. Life expectancy at birth is also a measure of overall quality of life in a country and summarizes the mortality at all ages. It can also be thought of as indicating the potential return on investment in human capital and is necessary for the calculation of various actuarial measures.

✦ total population: 75.4 years

• male: 73.4 years
• female: 77.6 years (2018 est.)​

If you were an infant → to → 7 years old, among the estimated 700,000 displaced, there would be very few still living today. And in the next decade, the "Right of Return" will be virtually gone. as there would be no Arab Palestinians of the West Bank that experienced the move in 1948. And in that population group, not all of them were actually displaced persons.

So, of those thousands, and the many children, shown in the pictures of storming the border fencing, how many were (truthfully) displaced persons. How many persons 70-year-old, or more, were fighting for the "Right of Return?" How valid (truthfully and morally) is that complaint?

How do were merge the moral and the factual argument?

I think we should consider who is owed what before we determine the compensating package (if any) is warranted.

Most Respectfully,
R

We might talking about two different things...if I am understanding you.

Right of Return vs Forceable Expulsions. I support the Right of Return for those who were expelled or fled war. And MAYBE their immediate kids....but that is it, I don’t support it on down the generations, and I apply that to both Palestinians and Jews.

On the hand I absolutely oppose forced expulsions.

 

[Coyote]

What a stupid thing to say.

Yet several people agree. Just my opinion based on your and Tinmores posts.

Link to a post of mine then.

Stupid people tend to agree with stupid posts. Yet they never seem to be able to support their claims.

We agree on this one. The tendency to pile on with agreement when nobody is supporting their opinions is a sad fact on message boards. You and I can disagree on Palestine and Israel, but the fact that you sympathize with the Palestinians in no may means that you hate the Jews as has been suggested. I find that extrapolation to be ridiculous.

And the fact that I think the Palestinians have refused myriad opportunities to compromise on a peace plan and/or have violated agreements and they have pretty well forfeited their claim to that land does not mean I hate the Palestinians.

The best solution now is for the UN to find and buy a nice piece of land approximately the size of Israel and move the Palestinians there. Islam will never agree to that, however, as it would remove their ability to use the Palestinians for political purposes in their ultimate goal which is to destroy Israel and the Jews.

Foxie, you can not forceably move millians of people who have roots, families and ties to that region going back hundreds if not thousands of years. It isnt a question of whether Islam would accept but it but whether any decent human being could accept it.

It would not be forcibly. Give them the option.

If it was entirely voluntary sure...if the option were do it voluntarily or we will do it for you or we will make your so miserable you will wish you had...then no.

 

[Coyote]

What a stupid thing to say.

Yet several people agree. Just my opinion based on your and Tinmores posts.

Link to a post of mine then.

Stupid people tend to agree with stupid posts. Yet they never seem to be able to support their claims.

We agree on this one. The tendency to pile on with agreement when nobody is supporting their opinions is a sad fact on message boards. You and I can disagree on Palestine and Israel, but the fact that you sympathize with the Palestinians in no may means that you hate the Jews as has been suggested. I find that extrapolation to be ridiculous.

And the fact that I think the Palestinians have refused myriad opportunities to compromise on a peace plan and/or have violated agreements and they have pretty well forfeited their claim to that land does not mean I hate the Palestinians.

The best solution now is for the UN to find and buy a nice piece of land approximately the size of Israel and move the Palestinians there. Islam will never agree to that, however, as it would remove their ability to use the Palestinians for political purposes in their ultimate goal which is to destroy Israel and the Jews.

Foxie, you can not forceably move millians of people who have roots, families and ties to that region going back hundreds if not thousands of years. It isnt a question of whether Islam would accept but it but whether any decent human being could accept it.

It would be difficult for sure. But when a people will not compromise, will not agree that the Jews should be allowed to live, and who consistently initiate deadly hostilities with the Jews after seventy years of working to accommodate those same people, it is time to stop trying and do something that will work. The Jews also have roots, families, and ties to that region going back much further than Islam does. And it is Islam that objects to Israel, not the rank and file population per se'. Israel deserves to be left alone and live as who and what they are in peace. They do not initiate the hostilities but they do finish the fights. They would like to not have to have the fights.

The Arabs expelled almost all Jews from their countries and have refused to allow the Palestinians to immigrate to their countries and the Israelis would be committing literal suicide if they do. So we should go for the next best solution to the problem.

During that time there were many expulsions....Arabs expelled Jews and Jews expelled Arabs. There was also a lot of myth building by both sides. This occurred close to a century ago....when you think of it. Ethics have changed.

Would you really support forcing millions of families to leave their homeland? I wouldn’t.

 

[Coyote]

Should we encourage Jews to leave too? Voluntarily?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

There does come a time when the moral value of some argument simply evaporates with time.

Foxie, you can not forcibly move millians of people who have roots, families and ties to that region going back hundreds if not thousands of years. It isnt a question of whether Islam would accept but it but whether any decent human being could accept it.

(COMMENT)

Even given that there was 700,000 forcibly moved in the onset of the 1948 War of Independents, like Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, they have faded into the Sunset. Even today, the life expectancy of any one of the estimated 700,000 who makes the claim of having been displaced, are walking into the Sunset; even as we speak.

◈ The estimated number of Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, 65 years and over: 3.52% (male 44,662 /female 53,943) (2018 est.)

Current Population Pyramid: ​

◈ Life expectancy at birth: This entry contains the average number of years to be lived by a group of people born in the same year, if mortality at each age remains constant in the future. Life expectancy at birth is also a measure of overall quality of life in a country and summarizes the mortality at all ages. It can also be thought of as indicating the potential return on investment in human capital and is necessary for the calculation of various actuarial measures.

✦ total population: 75.4 years

• male: 73.4 years
• female: 77.6 years (2018 est.)​

If you were an infant → to → 7 years old, among the estimated 700,000 displaced, there would be very few still living today. And in the next decade, the "Right of Return" will be virtually gone. as there would be no Arab Palestinians of the West Bank that experienced the move in 1948. And in that population group, not all of them were actually displaced persons.

So, of those thousands, and the many children, shown in the pictures of storming the border fencing, how many were (truthfully) displaced persons. How many persons 70-year-old, or more, were fighting for the "Right of Return?" How valid (truthfully and morally) is that complaint?

How do were merge the moral and the factual argument?

I think we should consider who is owed what before we determine the compensating package (if any) is warranted.

Most Respectfully,
R

Nationality is hereditary.

 

[Lastamender]

The religion known as Islam drives this problem. Someone who is honest knows that. To expect any peace, a fantasy.

 

[Coyote]

A two-state solution is not possible with the PLO as it currently exists. They have spent their entire time since Oslo working not to build a state but to destroy one. But maybe, down the road, a Palestinian leadership that no longer fantasizes about destroying Israel can arise. The only way that scenario is remotely possible is if they accept that Israel is not going anywhere, and the only way that could happen is by Israel asserting its rights in a consistent, unapologetic and unflinching way.

Annexation of areas that are unquestioningly going to be part of Israel is more likely to bring peace than pretending that Gush Etzion is on the table could ever do.

And guess what? When Israel acts with pride rather than pandering to liberal American Jewish leaders who are in turn pandering to the New York Times, American Jews who are actually proud of their Jewishness will support them. If these liberal groups want to help Israel, they need to instill pride in their flocks, both in Judaism and in Zionism. These leaders need to learn how to answer the questions that Israel's critics hurl at the Jewish state without acting like frightened shtetl Jews. A big reason Israel is losing the support of young American Jews is because their own Jewish role models are too ignorant or cowed to proudly support Israel unequivocally, and to explain why Israel does what it does.

(full article online)

Why liberal Jews opposing annexing settlement blocs are wrong ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Or maybe Israel is losing Jewish support because Jews, like any other diverse demographic group are capable of thinking for themselves.

Sure, but where is the evidence to what you just posted?

It is an opinion, like the article you posted.

But the fact remains, that regardless of your opinion (and that was my point ) Jewish support for Israel has not gone down, especially when Jews and pro Israel non Jews see what the behavior on the other side continues to be and what the alternative to standing strong for Israel is.

I think American Jews are more critical of Israel’s political behavior than you think. There is a disconnect at play...supporting Israel’s right to exist (pretty much strongly supported) vs supporting Israel’s policies. There is also a disturbing trend that seems to equate anything less than a 100% blind support of the rightwing vision of Israel with a form of treason.


As Israel turns 70, many young American Jews turn away

Natalie Portman, the Oscar-winning actress, recently kicked off a massive storm of controversy when she pulled out of a prestigious award ceremony in Israel because, she said, she “did not want to appear as endorsing Benjamin Netanyahu.”

The response to Portman’s refusal to appear alongside Israel’s prime minister was intense. She was denounced by right-wing Israeli politicians. One labeled Portman’s decision as borderline anti-Semitic. Another suggested that her Israeli citizenship should be stripped. Born in Israel, Portman is a dual American-Israeli citizen.

The reaction within the American Jewish community was more divided. Some assailed her for being disloyal, deluded, or, at best, misguided. Others hailed her as a hero for publicly voicing her opposition to Netanyahu and his government’s hard-line policies.​

This same article also describes the history of American Jewish attitudes towards Israel (interesting as I wasn’t aware of it) and the changing attitudes of young American Jews. Like any article it has it’s bias’ but it raises good points supported by some pretty hefty polls like Pew.

A Portrait of Jewish Americans

This leads to some interesting questions and conundrums.

Common canards thrown at Jews are that they are more loyal to Israel than what ever country they are a citizen of (note, this same sort of argument is levied towards Catholics regarding the Pope and Muslims regarding Islam, the inference being they can’t possibly be true loyal to their nation)...the arguments being made by the political right here are perversely supporting that canard by attempting to enforce a loyalty against criticism of Netanyahu and the actions of it’s rightwing political powers. In the end it begs the question...are Jews a monolithic group or a diverse group sharing a common faith and heritage? I vote for the latter. It is as big a mistake to paint all Jews as the same as it is for Muslims or Christians.

 

[Slyhunter]

Should we encourage Jews to leave too? Voluntarily?

Arabs have plenty of places they can go. The Jews don't.

 

[Coyote]

Should we encourage Jews to leave too? Voluntarily?

Arabs have plenty of places they can go. The Jews don't.

Christians have plenty of places they can go but they invaded America. Let’s send them back to Europe.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Yet several people agree. Just my opinion based on your and Tinmores posts.

Link to a post of mine then.

Stupid people tend to agree with stupid posts. Yet they never seem to be able to support their claims.

We agree on this one. The tendency to pile on with agreement when nobody is supporting their opinions is a sad fact on message boards. You and I can disagree on Palestine and Israel, but the fact that you sympathize with the Palestinians in no may means that you hate the Jews as has been suggested. I find that extrapolation to be ridiculous.

And the fact that I think the Palestinians have refused myriad opportunities to compromise on a peace plan and/or have violated agreements and they have pretty well forfeited their claim to that land does not mean I hate the Palestinians.

The best solution now is for the UN to find and buy a nice piece of land approximately the size of Israel and move the Palestinians there. Islam will never agree to that, however, as it would remove their ability to use the Palestinians for political purposes in their ultimate goal which is to destroy Israel and the Jews.

Foxie, you can not forceably move millians of people who have roots, families and ties to that region going back hundreds if not thousands of years. It isnt a question of whether Islam would accept but it but whether any decent human being could accept it.

It would not be forcibly. Give them the option.

If it was entirely voluntary sure...if the option were do it voluntarily or we will do it for you or we will make your so miserable you will wish you had...then no.

They are already miserable so leave or live with the status quo and what makes it miserable is not Israel but the corrupt governments of Hamas and Fatah.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Yet several people agree. Just my opinion based on your and Tinmores posts.

Link to a post of mine then.

Stupid people tend to agree with stupid posts. Yet they never seem to be able to support their claims.

We agree on this one. The tendency to pile on with agreement when nobody is supporting their opinions is a sad fact on message boards. You and I can disagree on Palestine and Israel, but the fact that you sympathize with the Palestinians in no may means that you hate the Jews as has been suggested. I find that extrapolation to be ridiculous.

And the fact that I think the Palestinians have refused myriad opportunities to compromise on a peace plan and/or have violated agreements and they have pretty well forfeited their claim to that land does not mean I hate the Palestinians.

The best solution now is for the UN to find and buy a nice piece of land approximately the size of Israel and move the Palestinians there. Islam will never agree to that, however, as it would remove their ability to use the Palestinians for political purposes in their ultimate goal which is to destroy Israel and the Jews.

Foxie, you can not forceably move millians of people who have roots, families and ties to that region going back hundreds if not thousands of years. It isnt a question of whether Islam would accept but it but whether any decent human being could accept it.

It would be difficult for sure. But when a people will not compromise, will not agree that the Jews should be allowed to live, and who consistently initiate deadly hostilities with the Jews after seventy years of working to accommodate those same people, it is time to stop trying and do something that will work. The Jews also have roots, families, and ties to that region going back much further than Islam does. And it is Islam that objects to Israel, not the rank and file population per se'. Israel deserves to be left alone and live as who and what they are in peace. They do not initiate the hostilities but they do finish the fights. They would like to not have to have the fights.

The Arabs expelled almost all Jews from their countries and have refused to allow the Palestinians to immigrate to their countries and the Israelis would be committing literal suicide if they do. So we should go for the next best solution to the problem.

During that time there were many expulsions....Arabs expelled Jews and Jews expelled Arabs. There was also a lot of myth building by both sides. This occurred close to a century ago....when you think of it. Ethics have changed.

Would you really support forcing millions of families to leave their homeland? I wouldn’t.

Millions have done it. Look at how America was built. This is the only peaceful solution I see.

 

[Coyote]

Link to a post of mine then.

Stupid people tend to agree with stupid posts. Yet they never seem to be able to support their claims.

We agree on this one. The tendency to pile on with agreement when nobody is supporting their opinions is a sad fact on message boards. You and I can disagree on Palestine and Israel, but the fact that you sympathize with the Palestinians in no may means that you hate the Jews as has been suggested. I find that extrapolation to be ridiculous.

And the fact that I think the Palestinians have refused myriad opportunities to compromise on a peace plan and/or have violated agreements and they have pretty well forfeited their claim to that land does not mean I hate the Palestinians.

The best solution now is for the UN to find and buy a nice piece of land approximately the size of Israel and move the Palestinians there. Islam will never agree to that, however, as it would remove their ability to use the Palestinians for political purposes in their ultimate goal which is to destroy Israel and the Jews.

Foxie, you can not forceably move millians of people who have roots, families and ties to that region going back hundreds if not thousands of years. It isnt a question of whether Islam would accept but it but whether any decent human being could accept it.

It would be difficult for sure. But when a people will not compromise, will not agree that the Jews should be allowed to live, and who consistently initiate deadly hostilities with the Jews after seventy years of working to accommodate those same people, it is time to stop trying and do something that will work. The Jews also have roots, families, and ties to that region going back much further than Islam does. And it is Islam that objects to Israel, not the rank and file population per se'. Israel deserves to be left alone and live as who and what they are in peace. They do not initiate the hostilities but they do finish the fights. They would like to not have to have the fights.

The Arabs expelled almost all Jews from their countries and have refused to allow the Palestinians to immigrate to their countries and the Israelis would be committing literal suicide if they do. So we should go for the next best solution to the problem.

During that time there were many expulsions....Arabs expelled Jews and Jews expelled Arabs. There was also a lot of myth building by both sides. This occurred close to a century ago....when you think of it. Ethics have changed.

Would you really support forcing millions of families to leave their homeland? I wouldn’t.

Millions have done it. Look at how America was built. This is the only peaceful solution I see.

America was built on the back of slavery.

Forced expulsions are not peaceful solutions otherwise you would have no problem applying it to Jews as well.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

Maybe this is true. Maybe not.

During that time there were many expulsions....Arabs expelled Jews and Jews expelled Arabs. There was also a lot of myth building by both sides. This occurred close to a century ago....when you think of it. Ethics have changed.

Would you really support forcing millions of families to leave their homeland? I wouldn’t.

(COMMENT)

There was not that much difference in time between the mass internment of Japanese Americans (1942-1946) during World War II. → Then, the mass displacement of various inhabitants in Palestine (1947 - 1949). Neither of which came even close to the 12 to 16 Million displaced during the 1947 Partition of India and Pakistan.

There is a world of difference when discussing morals and ethics in the academic and hypothetical → and then when it comes down to the experience of the real thing.

What many people think is "unthinkable" today -- is just the way things were done (normal) in that era.

Most Respectfully,
R