Annexing West Bank

[Hollie]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

"There are no secrets to success.
It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning from failure."
Colin Powell
​

Read more at: Search Results

Right now, the face or → how we see and interpret the cultural image of the Arab Palestinian (of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip) is characterized (nation-state personality) as a belligerent Arab Subculture with a very deep propensity for violence. Many people, just on hearing the name "Palestinian" are struck by an uneasiness. For many people conjures a mental picture. In your computer, query the name "Palestinian" and ask for images.

Query for Images - down to "Palestinian Terrorist" and you will see:

◈ Palestinian Terrorist •​

◈ HAMAS •​

◈ FATAH •
​

(COMMENT)
It is Israel's problem. And the Israelis have to solve it. It is possible and I have suggested it many times. But the Israelis must really want to change the face of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.

That is an interesting statement, what do you mean by it?

(COMMENT)

Everyone understands that to change the image of the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip; requires a sincere (and maybe a very expensive) effort from both Israel and the Palestinians. And being that the Israelis are much higher on the scale for Human Development, initially (at least - probably a little longer) they will have to commit to the Lions share of the effort (Posting #148).

Most Respectfully,
R

Your usual smear piece.

Your hurt feelings regarding Israel being higher on the human development index vs. Arabs-Moslems in the disputed territories is not a smear. Don’t let your hurt feelings get in the way of cutting and pasting your usual slogans.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I have Asked Tinmore for his solution like 10x and he always dodges. And he will again. He just likes to complain.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

"There are no secrets to success.
It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning from failure."
Colin Powell
​

Read more at: Search Results

Right now, the face or → how we see and interpret the cultural image of the Arab Palestinian (of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip) is characterized (nation-state personality) as a belligerent Arab Subculture with a very deep propensity for violence. Many people, just on hearing the name "Palestinian" are struck by an uneasiness. For many people conjures a mental picture. In your computer, query the name "Palestinian" and ask for images.

Query for Images - down to "Palestinian Terrorist" and you will see:

◈ Palestinian Terrorist •​

◈ HAMAS •​

◈ FATAH •
​

(COMMENT)
It is Israel's problem. And the Israelis have to solve it. It is possible and I have suggested it many times. But the Israelis must really want to change the face of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.

That is an interesting statement, what do you mean by it?

(COMMENT)

Everyone understands that to change the image of the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip; requires a sincere (and maybe a very expensive) effort from both Israel and the Palestinians. And being that the Israelis are much higher on the scale for Human Development, initially (at least - probably a little longer) they will have to commit to the Lions share of the effort (Posting #148).

Most Respectfully,
R

Your usual smear piece.

Your hurt feelings regarding Israel being higher on the human development index vs. Arabs-Moslems in the disputed territories is not a smear. Don’t let your hurt feelings get in the way of cutting and pasting your usual slogans.

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I have Asked Tinmore for his solution like 10x and he always dodges. And he will again. He just likes to complain.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I have Asked Tinmore for his solution like 10x and he always dodges. And he will again. He just likes to complain.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

I want Your opinion not a link. Don’t be a coward. Man up. Come on. I have Shared mine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I have Asked Tinmore for his solution like 10x and he always dodges. And he will again. He just likes to complain.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

I want Your opinion not a link. Don’t be a coward. Man up. Come on. I have Shared mine.

I agree with that.

What would be your solution?

 

[Coyote]

Displace no one. Once you go down that road you are no different than other monsters.

Good. So we can get rid of this ridiculous notion that the "settlements" will be dismantled, right?

That leaves Arab Palestine with the choice to either abandon territory (because ... Jooooos live there). Or to accept Jews into their territory.

Do you see a problem with requiring this choice of the Arabs?

Here is the thing Shusha. We both strongly disagree on settlements and their impact on the peace process and we have gone down that road many times so I doubt we will change each others minds.

No...I do not think existing ones should be dismantled. And you forget...Jews will also have to accept Moooooslims living amongst them as well. How many Arab settlements are there in Area C?

 

[Coyote]

In fact if the money and diplomatic support were available, large numbers of Palestinians would leave today.

Would they if diplomatic opportunities and economic support were instead used to improve the local economies? The embargo ended?

What “large numbers” want to leave?

What people don’t seem capable of understanding is that just because a country is Islamic it is culturally similar.

America and Russia are Christian majority, as is Germany and Greece. I guess they are all the same huh?

Percentage of those wishing to emigrate stands at 41% in the Gaza Strip and 24% in the West Bank.

Palestinian Public Opinion Poll No-58 | PCPSR

Gaza is being destroyed between Israel’s embargo and Hamas’ malfeasance, the economy is a wreck. I think they would not want to leAve if they had a better future.

Israel has offered to lift the blockade if Hamas disarms, so the Palestinians have created their own problems.

Hamas the internationally recognized terror group, whose charter calls for the destruction of Israel and all Jews? That Hamas? LOL

Yeah they are real solid citizens.

Who says they are? Hamas is part of the problem.

 

[Coyote]

Gaza is being destroyed between Israel’s embargo and Hamas’ malfeasance, the economy is a wreck. I think they would not want to leAve if they had a better future.

And how do they get a better future? What do they need to do to achieve a better future?

It is complex but likely you and I see it the same way. They need to hold elections, choose new leadership, and cease the violence.

 

[Coyote]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

"There are no secrets to success.
It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning from failure."
Colin Powell
​

Read more at: Search Results

Right now, the face or → how we see and interpret the cultural image of the Arab Palestinian (of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip) is characterized (nation-state personality) as a belligerent Arab Subculture with a very deep propensity for violence. Many people, just on hearing the name "Palestinian" are struck by an uneasiness. For many people conjures a mental picture. In your computer, query the name "Palestinian" and ask for images.

Query for Images - down to "Palestinian Terrorist" and you will see:

◈ Palestinian Terrorist •​

◈ HAMAS •​

◈ FATAH •
​

(COMMENT)
It is Israel's problem. And the Israelis have to solve it. It is possible and I have suggested it many times. But the Israelis must really want to change the face of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.

That is an interesting statement, what do you mean by it?

(COMMENT)

Everyone understands that to change the image of the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip; requires a sincere (and maybe a very expensive) effort from both Israel and the Palestinians. And being that the Israelis are much higher on the scale for Human Development, initially (at least - probably a little longer) they will have to commit to the Lions share of the effort (Posting #148).

Most Respectfully,
R

Well said...and I agree. I noticed that when I was seatching for positive articles on Palestinians for my thread. They are out there, and are fascinating and surprisong but they dont recieve anywhere near the visibility of the negative ones.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I have Asked Tinmore for his solution like 10x and he always dodges. And he will again. He just likes to complain.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

I want Your opinion not a link. Don’t be a coward. Man up. Come on. I have Shared mine.

I agree with that.

What would be your solution?

When you answer me in your own words I will do The same.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Would they if diplomatic opportunities and economic support were instead used to improve the local economies? The embargo ended?

What “large numbers” want to leave?

What people don’t seem capable of understanding is that just because a country is Islamic it is culturally similar.

America and Russia are Christian majority, as is Germany and Greece. I guess they are all the same huh?

Percentage of those wishing to emigrate stands at 41% in the Gaza Strip and 24% in the West Bank.

Palestinian Public Opinion Poll No-58 | PCPSR

Gaza is being destroyed between Israel’s embargo and Hamas’ malfeasance, the economy is a wreck. I think they would not want to leAve if they had a better future.

Israel has offered to lift the blockade if Hamas disarms, so the Palestinians have created their own problems.

Hamas the internationally recognized terror group, whose charter calls for the destruction of Israel and all Jews? That Hamas? LOL

Yeah they are real solid citizens.

Who says they are? Hamas is part of the problem.

I would Say 70% of the problem. You and I both know that only war will settle this.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

"There are no secrets to success.
It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning from failure."
Colin Powell
​

Read more at: Search Results

Right now, the face or → how we see and interpret the cultural image of the Arab Palestinian (of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip) is characterized (nation-state personality) as a belligerent Arab Subculture with a very deep propensity for violence. Many people, just on hearing the name "Palestinian" are struck by an uneasiness. For many people conjures a mental picture. In your computer, query the name "Palestinian" and ask for images.

Query for Images - down to "Palestinian Terrorist" and you will see:

◈ Palestinian Terrorist •​

◈ HAMAS •​

◈ FATAH •
​

(COMMENT)
It is Israel's problem. And the Israelis have to solve it. It is possible and I have suggested it many times. But the Israelis must really want to change the face of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.

That is an interesting statement, what do you mean by it?

(COMMENT)

Everyone understands that to change the image of the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip; requires a sincere (and maybe a very expensive) effort from both Israel and the Palestinians. And being that the Israelis are much higher on the scale for Human Development, initially (at least - probably a little longer) they will have to commit to the Lions share of the effort (Posting #148).

Most Respectfully,
R

Your usual smear piece.

Your hurt feelings regarding Israel being higher on the human development index vs. Arabs-Moslems in the disputed territories is not a smear. Don’t let your hurt feelings get in the way of cutting and pasting your usual slogans.

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Conquest is not theft. So you believe the Colonists
Stole the US? Only solution is war and winner take all IMO.

 

[Shusha]

Here is the thing Shusha. We both strongly disagree on settlements and their impact on the peace process and we have gone down that road many times so I doubt we will change each others minds.

No...I do not think existing ones should be dismantled. And you forget...Jews will also have to accept Moooooslims living amongst them as well. How many Arab settlements are there in Area C?

Depends on where you get your stats, and how you count them, but, in all of Area C? About 250 Arab settlements.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

"There are no secrets to success.
It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning from failure."
Colin Powell
​

Read more at: Search Results

Right now, the face or → how we see and interpret the cultural image of the Arab Palestinian (of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip) is characterized (nation-state personality) as a belligerent Arab Subculture with a very deep propensity for violence. Many people, just on hearing the name "Palestinian" are struck by an uneasiness. For many people conjures a mental picture. In your computer, query the name "Palestinian" and ask for images.

Query for Images - down to "Palestinian Terrorist" and you will see:

◈ Palestinian Terrorist •​

◈ HAMAS •​

◈ FATAH •
​

(COMMENT)
It is Israel's problem. And the Israelis have to solve it. It is possible and I have suggested it many times. But the Israelis must really want to change the face of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.

That is an interesting statement, what do you mean by it?

(COMMENT)

Everyone understands that to change the image of the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip; requires a sincere (and maybe a very expensive) effort from both Israel and the Palestinians. And being that the Israelis are much higher on the scale for Human Development, initially (at least - probably a little longer) they will have to commit to the Lions share of the effort (Posting #148).

Most Respectfully,
R

Your usual smear piece.

Your hurt feelings regarding Israel being higher on the human development index vs. Arabs-Moslems in the disputed territories is not a smear. Don’t let your hurt feelings get in the way of cutting and pasting your usual slogans.

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

More of your usual whining. As usual, your comments are absent any specifics. Provide specifics regarding what you claim Israel has “mooched or stolen”. I expect your usual denial and deflection... or a PressTV YouTube video, but here’s your chance.

The facts remain that the Arabs-Moslems in the disputed territories have been the beneficiaries of billions of dollars in welfare payments and have not been able to cobble together either a working government or a viable civil society.

While the primary islamic terrorist organizations in Gaza and Fatah in the West Bank have accumulated incredible wealth, you folks have accomplished little more than breeding generation after generation of self-hating Cultists with an insensate death wish.

Have you ever thought about why it is that societies such as Israel, Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam and others have flourished while so much of the Islamic Middle East languishes in the malaise of poverty, ignorance, early death, and of course, leadership toward those goals?

 

[Shusha]

No...I do not think existing ones should be dismantled.

Right. We agree. So, they will end up being under Israeli control, or maybe, eventually if the Arab Palestinians get their shit together, under Palestinian control. We agree that either of these scenarios are fine, right? Its okay for Jews to live in Palestine, just like its okay for Arabs to live in Israel, right?

The problem, as I see it, is the safety of both the Arabs in Israel and the Jews in Palestine. I don't believe that the Arab Palestinians are even close to wanting equality and safety for Jews, let alone being committed enough to achieve it. BUT I believe Israel is perfectly capable of ensuring safety and full equality for their Arabs.

It just makes so much more sense for Israel to just exert full sovereignty over the Jewish "settlements" and some of the Arab ones. Keeping in mind, I'm arguing for Palestine to be left with a contiguous area.

 

[Shusha]

It is complex but likely you and I see it the same way. They need to hold elections, choose new leadership, and cease the violence.

Israel can't do anything about any of these things. The Arab Palestinians have to. And that was my point. Everyone keeps talking about how Israel must make peace. She can't. Not until Palestinians have at least done the three things listed above.

 

[Shusha]

I have Asked Tinmore for his solution like 10x and he always dodges. And he will again. He just likes to complain.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

Okay, so you "believe" in this. I get it. The problem is that it doesn't give any specifics about what should be done practically.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I have Asked Tinmore for his solution like 10x and he always dodges. And he will again. He just likes to complain.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

Okay, so you "believe" in this. I get it. The problem is that it doesn't give any specifics about what should be done practically.

Bingo!

 

[Shusha]

I have Asked Tinmore for his solution like 10x and he always dodges. And he will again. He just likes to complain.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

Okay, so you "believe" in this. I get it. The problem is that it doesn't give any specifics about what should be done practically.

Bingo!

Well, I KNOW what Tinmore wants to happen, practically. He wants the "right" of return to be granted to (only) Arab Palestinians and all their descendants and to flood Israel with said return. He then wants elections to be held with that new population. He expects it would result in an Arab majority and thus another Arab nation.

Thus when he claims to believe in the UN Declaration on Granting Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples including this statement:

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

he means all peoples except the Jewish peoples.