Zone1 Andy Stanley Says That Gay Christians Have More Faith

[pknopp]

What Bible are you reading? Is it the Queen James version by any chance?


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For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.'

Matthew 19:12

Jesus Christ.

Jesus notes that not all are born the same. Also you read the English translated version.

What is translated to homosexual in English version is different than historical versions in the past.

Martin Luthers original German version used knabenschander. Knaben is boy and schander is molester. Someone should have pointed this out to the Catholic Church.

 

[ChristisKing]

For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.'

Matthew 19:12

Jesus Christ.

Jesus notes that not all are born the same. Also you read the English translated version.

What is translated to homosexual in English version is different than historical versions in the past.

Martin Luthers original German version used knabenschander. Knaben is boy and schander is molester. Someone should have pointed this out to the Catholic Church.

A eunuch is not a homosexual.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I think gays and trans should feel safe with christians as god made them the way they're and that is awesome.

That's what Jeffrey Dahmer Said! That's the way child abusers feel, and serial killers. That's the way God made them. God gave them the hunger.
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[Carl in Michigan]

Considering how much media paints Christians as homophobic, and the fact some are strict with sexuality requirements; being an openly gay Christian does take some true conviction one must admit.

It takes no conviction at all.
Every body wants to BE right, but few are willing to DO right

The heart is deceitful above all things, desperately wicked. Who can know it -- Goddo you understand what He was saying?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Jesus loved everyone though, in particular the outcasts of his time.

It says that, nowhere.

 

[pknopp]

A eunuch is not a homosexual.

If you study history, even Biblical history you would understand that many "born that way" were indeed homosexual.

 

[fncceo]

If sin did not exist there would be no need for Jesus.

If sin didn't exist, there would be no need for tarty knickers ...

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Not sure there is such a thing as a gay "christian." Gays have destroyed the Catholic church and are well on their way with others

There are Christians who STRUGGLE with the SIN of homosexuality. THEIR sins are forgiven.

Those who embrace homosexuality are NOT Christian. They are deluded

 

[Moonglow]

If sin didn't exist, there would be no need for tarty knickers ...

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No, there is always a need for knickers.

 

[ChristisKing]

If you study history, even Biblical history you would understand that many "born that way" were indeed homosexual.

How the heck is that connected to a castrated male!?

 

[Moonglow]

There are Christians who STRUGGLE with the SIN of homosexuality. THEIR sins are forgiven.

Those who embrace homosexuality are NOT Christian. They are deluded

You don't have the power to ordain anyone.

 

[pknopp]

How the heck is that connected to a castrated male!?

As Jesus noted, not all were. Many were simply born differently. Again, you have no desire to educate yourself. You would rather wallow in your hate.

 

[ChristisKing]

As Jesus noted, not all were. Many were simply born differently. Again, you have no desire to educate yourself. You would rather wallow in your hate.

No I would rather you would start making sense. One doesn't have anything to do with the other. You do know what castration means right?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No I would rather you would start making sense. One doesn't have anything to do with the other. You do know what castration means right?

I tried to explain it to her before and gave up.

 

[ChristisKing]

I tried to explain it to her before and gave up.

So then I take that as a no.

 

[Cougarbear]

I'll have to look up his actual statements (this article appears less than unbiased) but Jesus himself wasn't in the Old Testament so...................

But yes, for the most part Christians do ignore the requirements of the Old Testament.

What planet do you live on? No. Christians do not ignore the requirements (commandments and law) of the Old Testament. Jesus said he did not come to change the law but to fulfill it. Yes, some of the regulation like beards and kosher and stuff like that were no longer necessary. But, the main laws were not ended such as the 10 Commandments and the laws and commandments against homosexual acts. Romans Chapter 1 is clear that homosexual acts are in the same boat as verse 29 through 32, "Being filled with sall unrighteousnes, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, ovenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

Yes, Jesus was in the Old Testament. Jesus came off His Throne on High (Jehovah). He gave the children of Israel the lesser law because they showed they were not ready for the higher law. When Jehovah came down as a spirit child of Father in Heaven, he was placed in the body of Jesus Christ by the Holy Ghost in Mary's belly. The problem with progressive Christians is they simply reject the virgin birth of Jesus Christ and that He is the Great Jehovah. That way, the wicked don't have to accept the laws against fornication of all kinds. To them, it's okay to have sexual intercourse outside the bounds of marriage, adultery and homosexual unnatural affections.

 

[pknopp]

What planet do you live on? No. Christians do not ignore the requirements (commandments and law) of the Old Testament. Jesus said he did not come to change the law but to fulfill it. Yes, some of the regulation like beards and kosher and stuff like that were no longer necessary.

So you disagree with me and then note yeah, requirements are no longer adhered to.

This seems to happen a lot.

But, the main laws were not ended such as the 10 Commandments and the laws and commandments against homosexual acts. Romans Chapter 1 is clear that homosexual acts are in the same boat as verse 29 through 32, "Being filled with sall unrighteousnes, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, ovenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

Yes, Jesus was in the Old Testament. Jesus came off His Throne on High (Jehovah). He gave the children of Israel the lesser law because they showed they were not ready for the higher law. When Jehovah came down as a spirit child of Father in Heaven, he was placed in the body of Jesus Christ by the Holy Ghost in Mary's belly. The problem with progressive Christians is they simply reject the virgin birth of Jesus Christ and that He is the Great Jehovah. That way, the wicked don't have to accept the laws against fornication of all kinds. To them, it's okay to have sexual intercourse outside the bounds of marriage, adultery and homosexual unnatural affections.

The word "homosexual" didn't even exist 2000 years ago. Otherwise early Bibles would note the word but that word is not used.

 

[Cougarbear]

So you disagree with me and then note yeah, requirements are no longer adhered to.

This seems to happen a lot.



The word "homosexual" didn't even exist 2000 years ago. Otherwise early Bibles would note the word but that word is not used.

Good grief! Who cares if there wasn't a word in the scriptures for the acts of homosexual behavior. The acts are spelled out in the OT and NT. I'm sure that the people had a word for it as well. Just like we hear people use the words homo, queer, gay, and other derogator ways to say lusting after the same sex, unnatural affection and so on that is in the Bible. That is so weak. Really pknopp? You know that the "N" word cannot be written or spoken anymore. Do you think that people don't use it? Good grief.

I was very clear that some of the laws were no longer necessary. But, I was very clear that many were such as the 10 Commandments and only heterosexual sex is not sin if it's not fornicated. Meaning, in the bounds of heterosexual marriages. Is reading your second language?

 

[pknopp]

Good grief! Who cares if there wasn't a word in the scriptures for the acts of homosexual behavior. The acts are spelled out in the OT and NT. I'm sure that the people had a word for it as well. Just like we hear people use the words homo, queer, gay, and other derogator ways to say lusting after the same sex, unnatural affection and so on that is in the Bible. That is so weak. Really pknopp? You know that the "N" word cannot be written or spoken anymore. Do you think that people don't use it? Good grief.

I was very clear that some of the laws were no longer necessary. But, I was very clear that many were such as the 10 Commandments and only heterosexual sex is not sin if it's not fornicated. Meaning, in the bounds of heterosexual marriages. Is reading your second language?

So you pick and choose what you want to follow and what you don't.

Jesus noted specifically that not all are born the same. No?

 

[jbrownson0831]

I say no they don't, because if they really loved God as much as he claims they do they would be trying to change their lifestyle.

Andy Stanley Says Gay Christians Have More Faith than Straight Ones+ Dismisses "Clobber Verses" - Protestia

North Point Community Church ‘impastor’ Andy Stanley continued his wretched job of smarmily making his way into the consciousness of Christendom, this time by lauding up the faith of gay Christians as exemplary, over and above that of straight ones, while dismissing and brushing off certain...

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Nope, he is wrong....taking the easy way out.