Zone1 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground" / "We are stardust"

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Are these really that different? Moses had no knowledge of the size of the cosmos. Naturally, the only "dust" he knew came from the dirt below his feet. Maybe what God showed him was a bit more than Moses could process, and this verse is what came out of Moses.

But, anyway, we went out and got some stardust. It's older than our Solar System. It comes from the death of a star prior to 5 billion years ago.

Asteroid Bennu carries stardust older than the solar system

NASA’s OSIRIS-REx samples from asteroid Bennu reveal stardust, water-driven chemistry, and clues to life’s origins in the early solar system.

www.earth.com

Notice how it comes accompanied with exotic organics and water. Virtually all the ingredients we need for life are there in asteroid Bennu, the little speck of batter that never made it to the oven.

So elegant.... and it takes a universe to do it! More than one generation of star death seems to have contributed to the materials in our Solar System. And life is made up the most abundant elements of them.

Cannot this "creation" (abiogenesis through the laws of nature) be God's plan? Are we not just studying God's creation, should you believe that we are in God's creation?

 

[BreezeWood]

Cannot this "creation" (abiogenesis through the laws of nature) be God's plan? Are we not just studying God's creation, should you believe that we are in God's creation?

no -

the fallacy of the monarchical belief as a single source for the creation of the universe ... monotheism is that all the inhabitants of the heavens are who are responsible for all that exists.

 

[Yarddog]

Are these really that different? Moses had no knowledge of the size of the cosmos. Naturally, the only "dust" he knew came from the dirt below his feet. Maybe what God showed him was a bit more than Moses could process, and this verse is what came out of Moses.

But, anyway, we went out and got some stardust. It's older than our Solar System. It comes from the death of a star prior to 5 billion years ago.

Asteroid Bennu carries stardust older than the solar system

NASA’s OSIRIS-REx samples from asteroid Bennu reveal stardust, water-driven chemistry, and clues to life’s origins in the early solar system.

www.earth.com

Notice how it comes accompanied with exotic organics and water. Virtually all the ingredients we need for life are there in asteroid Bennu, the little speck of batter that never made it to the oven.

So elegant.... and it takes a universe to do it! More than one generation of star death seems to have contributed to the materials in our Solar System. And life is made up the most abundant elements of them.

Cannot this "creation" (abiogenesis through the laws of nature) be God's plan? Are we not just studying God's creation, should you believe that we are in God's creation?

sure why not?

 

[Grumblenuts]

You mean it's never been about us after all?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You mean it's never been about us after all?

I mean, maybe it has been just about us all along. The entire universe.

I mean, I dont buy that, but nothing we discover rules that magical belief out.

 

[Votto]

Are these really that different? Moses had no knowledge of the size of the cosmos. Naturally, the only "dust" he knew came from the dirt below his feet. Maybe what God showed him was a bit more than Moses could process, and this verse is what came out of Moses.

But, anyway, we went out and got some stardust. It's older than our Solar System. It comes from the death of a star prior to 5 billion years ago.

Asteroid Bennu carries stardust older than the solar system

NASA’s OSIRIS-REx samples from asteroid Bennu reveal stardust, water-driven chemistry, and clues to life’s origins in the early solar system.

www.earth.com

Notice how it comes accompanied with exotic organics and water. Virtually all the ingredients we need for life are there in asteroid Bennu, the little speck of batter that never made it to the oven.

So elegant.... and it takes a universe to do it! More than one generation of star death seems to have contributed to the materials in our Solar System. And life is made up the most abundant elements of them.

Cannot this "creation" (abiogenesis through the laws of nature) be God's plan? Are we not just studying God's creation, should you believe that we are in God's creation?

It is astounding that the Bible got so many things right about creation, such as man being made from the dust of the earth and the universe itself having a beginning. In fact, it was not that long ago that scientists believed the universe to be eternal and had no beginning, Einstein being one of them.

No other religious tradition came close to describing the creation process as accurately as the Bible that I know of yet is often mocked for being wrong about creation being made in 7 literal days. But many do not understand that the Bible simply does not say that at all, that is assumed, especially via translations from Hebrew that lead people to believe this. Ancient Rabbinical thought, however, showed something different as it was a commonly held position that the universe was much older than 7000 years due to the correct interpretation of the Torah in Hebrew. These premodern science Rabbis did not believe in the Young Earth Creation scenerio.

 

[Votto]

I mean, maybe it has been just about us all along. The entire universe.

I mean, I dont buy that, but nothing we discover rules that magical belief out.

Imagine that in the entire universe, we are the only game in town.

Wouldn't that be hilarious?

On the one hand, it might bloat our heads into thinking we are so damned important, but on the other hand, viewing our tiny position in the universe, it should probably humble us instead, but to no avail. Mankind still thinks he is all that and still has the answers to pretty much everything.

 

[fncceo]

No other religious tradition came close to describing the creation process as accurately as the Bible

Only one religious tradition has the 100% accurate cosmology

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It is astounding that the Bible got so many things right about creation, such as man being made from the dust of the earth and the universe itself having a beginning

Of course they believed the universe has a beginning. They believed a magical god created it. That's what "creation" means: a beginning had to occur.

Of course they think everything on earth was made of the earth... because they knew literally nothing else.

You don't get any points for the right answer, when you get it the wrong way.

 

[ding]

Of course they believed the universe has a beginning. They believed a magical sky daddy created it. That's what "creation" means: a beginning had to occur.

Of course they think everything on earth was made of the earth... because they knew literally nothing else.

You don't get any points for the right answer, when you get it the wrong way.

Not exactly. Yes they believe that God created the universe. The rest of the account explains that everything else unfolded over time in a sequential fashion. Which is technically correct. They even got the fact that light appeared after the universe was created. Most people believe light existed when the universe was created which is not correct.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Not exactly. Yes they believe that God created the universe.

And the idea of a beginning is baked right into that.

If I pointed at a 1985 BMW and said, "God created that 3 days ago!", nobody would pat me on the back for being "correct" that the BMW had a beginning.

 

[ding]

And the idea of a beginning is baked right into that.

If I pointed at a 1985 BMW and said, "God created that 3 days ago!", nobody would pat me on the back for being "correct" that the BMW had a beginning.

At the time it was a radical concept. The norm was polytheism and a universe that had always existed with gods controlling all aspects. The advent of monotheism changed all of that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Anyhoo... topic being, our scientific discoveries don't rule out creation or gods.

In fact, I would expect an omniscient, omnipotent god to have a grand plan for creation of humans. Like a universe and abiogensis and evolution.

Not the overly simple , childlike nursery rhyme tale found in Genesis.

Genesis is what I would expect to come out of an illiterate, ignorant human 3000 years ago, when that human was made witness to the workings of creation.

Maybe Moses just did his best to describe what God showed him, using the only tools he had at his disposal.

 

[BreezeWood]

Most people believe light existed when the universe was created which is not correct.

light has always existed ... cyclical bb only at the moment of singularity might there not have been lightning - if so the absence was made up when all hell broke loose.

 

[ding]

Anyhoo... topic being, our scientific discoveries don't rule out creation or gods.

In fact, I would expect an omniscient, omnipotent god to have a grand plan for creation of humans. Like a universe and abiogensis and evolution.

Not the overly simple , childlike nursery rhyme tale found in Genesis.

Genesis is what I would expect to come out of an illiterate, ignorant human 3000 years ago, when that human was made witness to the workings of creation.

Maybe Moses just did his best to describe what God showed him, using the only tools he had at his disposal.

Maybe don’t read Genesis literally.

 

[ding]

light has always existed ... cyclical bb only at the moment of singularity might there not have been lightning - if so the absence was made up when all hell broke loose.

Light in this universe did not appear for 380,000 years after the universe was created. Google it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Collapse of the wave function is how The Light speaks to us

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Maybe don’t read Genesis literally.

Right

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Religioners have done so well, as far as assimilating scientific knowledge into their paradigm. But this one trups them up pretty badly.

But reconciling it is just so easy. Like ding said, dont read Genesis as a literal description. Thats the first step.

 

[ding]

Right

I get a lot of shit from Gas Lighters for arguing that.