An Op Ed for the two party supporters

[CarlinAnnArbor]

For over 170 years the Republicans and Democrats have ruled over this country, 100% of the time

That's because their party platforms are 180 degree polar opposites.

What do you propose instead of people taking a stand on one side or the other?

I'm 100% not a Democrat and I'm not an EVERYTHING GOES libertarian, so I vote for the best Republican I can

What good is a platform if they don't stick to it?
Example: Funding Planned Parenthood (abortions) is a pro choice stance. When that funding was put into a bill when the GOP had the house and senate, and Trump as president, somehow it made it through all the way to Trump. And he approved it.

In recent years, one of the most ardent foes of the organization has been Vice President-elect Mike Pence. When he was a member of the House of Representatives, he led unsuccessful efforts to defund the program. As governor of Indiana, he was able to accomplish some of his goals. He also vowed to stop federal spending for Planned Parenthood during the campaign last fall.

Yet federal lawmakers have been stymied in these efforts.

One big reason is that taking away Planned Parenthood's access to Medicaid funding would require a change in the federal law that guarantees most Medicaid patients with a choice to use any qualified provider. The Department of Health and Human Services has repeatedly warned states that have tried to evict Planned Parenthood from their Medicaid programs that they cannot legally do that because such a move would violate that law. And federal courts have consistently blocked states that have tried to end Planned Parenthood's Medicaid funding

That Vow To Defund Planned Parenthood: Easy To Say, Hard To Do

Federal funding for the group that helps supply women's reproductive health care is built into multiple places in the budget, and stripping it out is not as simple as it may sound.

www.npr.org

 

[kaz]

There would be nothing wrong with two parties if they would support and promote good candidates but they won't.

I've seen the GOP throw the ONLY actual conservative under the bus a few times in my life time. And more recently, I've seen the DNC throw very good & highly qualified sane democrats, who weren't owned by the establishment, under their own bus. As in Tulsi Gabbard.
The DNC leadership actually bashed her because she got along with most republicans. How sick is that?

I'm not going to argue there is anything good about the Republican Party because there isn't.

But not supporting Republicans is insane now that Democrats have gone squarely into fascism silencing opposition with threats, intimidation and violence and Democrats are just stealing elections. When your boat is sinking, the first thing you focus on is plugging the hole, not redoing the décor

So your answer is to support "not anything good" as opposed to demanding something better.

You certainly do not support anything "better" by supporting the Democrat party. You are supporting evil. How's all the 10 year old girls being raped on our southern border working out for you wanting something "better?"

 

[dblack]

The two party, other-of-two-evils conceit is killing us. Don't fall for it.

 

[kaz]

The two party, other-of-two-evils conceit is killing us. Don't fall for it.

Only an idiot doesn't recognize Democrats silencing their opposition with threats, intimidation and violence, opening the southern borders to anyone who wants to come in, rioting and looting American cities and stealing elections is an existential threat to our liberty.

Sure, sport. Hitler's opposition was the same as his opposition. Mao was the same and Chain Kai-Shek, The Bolsheviks were the same as the Tsar. Sure they were

 

[dblack]

The two party, other-of-two-evils conceit is killing us. Don't fall for it.

Only an idiot doesn't recognize Democrats silencing their opposition with threats, intimidation and violence, opening the southern borders to anyone who wants to come in, rioting and looting American cities and stealing elections is an existential threat to our liberty.

Sure, sport. Hitler's opposition was the same as his opposition. Mao was the same and Chain Kai-Shek, The Bolsheviks were the same as the Tsar. Sure they were

Only an idiot, or brainwashed partisan, doesn't recognize what the two-party death spiral is doing to this country.

 

[kaz]

The two party, other-of-two-evils conceit is killing us. Don't fall for it.

Only an idiot doesn't recognize Democrats silencing their opposition with threats, intimidation and violence, opening the southern borders to anyone who wants to come in, rioting and looting American cities and stealing elections is an existential threat to our liberty.

Sure, sport. Hitler's opposition was the same as his opposition. Mao was the same and Chain Kai-Shek, The Bolsheviks were the same as the Tsar. Sure they were

Only an idiot, or brainwashed partisan, doesn't recognize what the two-party death spiral is doing to this country.

Begging the question.

I gave you some specific examples of why I stopped voting third party. You ignored them all. That while totalitarian leftists think you're one of them

 

[Mac1958]

The two party, other-of-two-evils conceit is killing us. Don't fall for it.

We might be beyond that now. I don't see either party moderating, and I don't see a third party.

We really may be slipping into a long term Balkanization. And if it happens, it will have been a self-inflicted wound.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Before I get into this, I just wanna start out by saying I don't believe any 3rd party will ever come to a majority in our government. At least not in my lifetime. And there's many reasons why. But since it's not part of what I'm about to say, I'll leave that for another discussion. Also, I DO NOT support Trump or Pelosi. I do not support Schumer or McConnell. In fact there's only a couple of politicians that I could support. And two of those are gone, as of 2020.

For over 170 years the Republicans and Democrats have ruled over this country, 100% of the time. And since then, they've publicly denounced each other, but secretly sided with each other with their votes. Votes on important issue. Well, issues that were important to them. Things with HUGE price tags on. Like funding the MIC (Military Industrial Complex).

It's my opinion that there is the ruling class. Then there are their lobbyist. Then there's the government. And last but not least, all of their wants and wishes comes spewing out through the media.
The ruling class and many of the lobbyist, we'll never see or hear about in the media. Because they have enough money and influence to stay hidden. They don't want voters to know who's actually giving the orders. That's where the politicians come in. They're the ones who get blamed for everything. That's their job. Raise money and take the heat. Taking the heat generally consists of only taking a few tough questions now and then. This is why they always give general scripted answers to specific questions. Actually never answering a direct question with a direct answer. Their voting records are their direct answers. Luckily for them, usually no one keeps up with voting records or most of the legislation that's built into a bill they voted on.
A good example of this is Trumps funding of Planned Parenthood. Most Trump supporters don't realize that he's done this. And frankly, the voters on the left don't realize it either. And if they did, they'd just dismiss it.

One thing I don't understand about all the keyboard rambo's on both sides of these issue's, is why they'll pay more attention to something said in the MSM or some political blogger, instead of a politicians voting record. This is where all the substance is. Not what Rachel Maddow or Glen Beck says.
The issues that are brought fourth in the media, IMO, are just things that are meant to keep the left and the right divided. Things like racism, that none of us can do anything about. Except scream at each other and the politicians over. At the end of the day, nothing is going to change, because it's not meant to. And for good reason. You can't legislate the hearts and minds of individuals.
And another thing about all this racism, the right is right and wrong about it. And so is the left.
The right is correct when they bring up the criminal element of race, especially towards the blacks, because young black males commit most of the homicides in this country and are have the highest population of gun violence in this country. Their most correct statement is how this is more of a cultural problem, and not a race problem.
The left is correct when they mention how blacks are still suppressed in this country. They are suppressed. And why's and how's are a little foggy though. Poor blacks are suppressed by the welfare system. They're also suppressed by the drug problem. The media also suppresses them by giving the poor blacks something to point their fingers at and blame.
If someone is in a bad situation, and they have someone or something to blame, in a sense, that gives them a reason to not pull themselves up out of that bad situation. Like the saying we've always heard growing up, "Can't never could do nothing."

But this is just a prime example of how the ruling class, special interest/lobbyist, politicians through the media keeps everyone divided.
Fact is, not achieving success, breaking the law, staying hooked on welfare, and all those under achiever actions isn't a race issue, it's a human nature trait. Some people, regardless of their skin color are just bad people. Some are horrific. Some are sneaky in their crimes. Some are just lazy. While others learn how to be successful and do it. But it's not because of their skin color.
So the left is correct when they say no one should be judged by their skin color. MLK was correct when he said people should be judged by the content of their character. Even MLK would agree that no one should be treated better than anyone else because of their skin color. Including blacks.

The media won't tell you that. The politicians won't tell you that. Why? Because racism sells ads. Ads generate revenue. To the media, that's their salaries, raises, bonuses and retirement. To us, after taking in all of this crap, including immigration issues, war issues, spending issues, and all the other bias news we're all fed, the end result is the vast majority of people dividing themselves from each other.
Like the wars we've been in since way before 9/11. If the left and right voters were to all come together and realize that these wars are against people and countries that pose no threat to the USA, instead of supporting a politician who gives us some made up reason to support the wars, then the wars would stop, because every politician that supports these wars of aggression, would be voted out.
Another example is abortion. The republicans have had many instances where they could've legally made abortion illegal. Because Roe V Wade was a supreme court decision that was based on privacy, and not life, there's grounds for a law based on life that the supreme court couldn't touch. With that said, I can count at least 10 times where the GOP had a majority in the house and senate, with a GOP president, where the "sanctity of life" bill (or another bill like it) was brought up, put into committee and that's where it died. If republican voters would pay attention, and vote against those responsible for keeping such legislation in committee, then they would get an actual pro life politician elected.

So to end all this, the media keeps most Americans divided. Some Americans want to be divided. They don't want to come together and work things out. They won't even listen to reason from the other side. I'm not sure if it's brainwashing they're subjected to. Or it's just part of their human nature. Either way, all they'll achieve is more of the same thing we've been getting since the Republicans and Democrats began ruling this country. And if we teach our kids to divide themselves politically, it'll continue.

Mostly CORRECT. I find it interesting you support Biden after having said that.

You missed a piece of the pie. Today Global Elitists come first, then comes the US elite followed by political & media tools who are almost the same thing. Very few in DC actually make decisions because it's the right thing to do, and in fact you voted one out in November.

 

[kaz]

The two party, other-of-two-evils conceit is killing us. Don't fall for it.

We might be beyond that now. I don't see either party moderating, and I don't see a third party.

We really may be slipping into a long term Balkanization. And if it happens, it will have been a self-inflicted wound.

There is nothing extreme about the Republican party. The problem has been getting them to stand up to Democrat oppression.

Fox News even has been overwhelmingly happy running stories were the conclusion is got the Democrats, this is hypocrisy. So the fuck what? The point is doing something about it.

Democrats don't give a shit about being hypocrites. You have flagrant double standards, you don't care

 

[dblack]

The two party, other-of-two-evils conceit is killing us. Don't fall for it.

Only an idiot doesn't recognize Democrats silencing their opposition with threats, intimidation and violence, opening the southern borders to anyone who wants to come in, rioting and looting American cities and stealing elections is an existential threat to our liberty.

Sure, sport. Hitler's opposition was the same as his opposition. Mao was the same and Chain Kai-Shek, The Bolsheviks were the same as the Tsar. Sure they were

Only an idiot, or brainwashed partisan, doesn't recognize what the two-party death spiral is doing to this country.

Begging the question.

I gave you some specific examples of why I stopped voting third party. You ignored them all. That while totalitarian leftists think you're one of them

Excuses.

Your insistence that I am Democrat, or a leftist, or whatever boogieman you're jerking off to at the moment, tells me all I need to know about your judgement and reasoning skills. They've been consumed by your screeching fear and cowardice. And everyone who doesn't join you in your defeat is reminder of what you've sacrificed. No wonder you hate us so much.

 

[kaz]

The two party, other-of-two-evils conceit is killing us. Don't fall for it.

Only an idiot doesn't recognize Democrats silencing their opposition with threats, intimidation and violence, opening the southern borders to anyone who wants to come in, rioting and looting American cities and stealing elections is an existential threat to our liberty.

Sure, sport. Hitler's opposition was the same as his opposition. Mao was the same and Chain Kai-Shek, The Bolsheviks were the same as the Tsar. Sure they were

Only an idiot, or brainwashed partisan, doesn't recognize what the two-party death spiral is doing to this country.

Begging the question.

I gave you some specific examples of why I stopped voting third party. You ignored them all. That while totalitarian leftists think you're one of them

Excuses.

Your insistence that I am Democrat, or a leftist, or whatever boogieman you're jerking off to at the moment, tells me all I need to know about your judgement and reasoning skills. They've been consumed by your screeching fear and cowardice. And everyone who doesn't join you in your defeat is reminder of what you've sacrificed. No wonder you hate us so much.

So why do Democrats think you're a Democrat? Why do they high five you? Democrats are the most intolerant people in the world.

Do you think maybe you're putting something wrong if you aren't one of them yet they think you are?

 

[dblack]

The two party, other-of-two-evils conceit is killing us. Don't fall for it.

Only an idiot doesn't recognize Democrats silencing their opposition with threats, intimidation and violence, opening the southern borders to anyone who wants to come in, rioting and looting American cities and stealing elections is an existential threat to our liberty.

Sure, sport. Hitler's opposition was the same as his opposition. Mao was the same and Chain Kai-Shek, The Bolsheviks were the same as the Tsar. Sure they were

Only an idiot, or brainwashed partisan, doesn't recognize what the two-party death spiral is doing to this country.

Begging the question.

I gave you some specific examples of why I stopped voting third party. You ignored them all. That while totalitarian leftists think you're one of them

Excuses.

Your insistence that I am Democrat, or a leftist, or whatever boogieman you're jerking off to at the moment, tells me all I need to know about your judgement and reasoning skills. They've been consumed by your screeching fear and cowardice. And everyone who doesn't join you in your defeat is reminder of what you've sacrificed. No wonder you hate us so much.

So why do Democrats think you're a Democrat?

I don't think most of them do, though I don't really care. They find out, soon enough, where I really stand.

Are you so sucked into the two-party mindset that it's all you can see?

 

[kaz]

The two party, other-of-two-evils conceit is killing us. Don't fall for it.

Only an idiot doesn't recognize Democrats silencing their opposition with threats, intimidation and violence, opening the southern borders to anyone who wants to come in, rioting and looting American cities and stealing elections is an existential threat to our liberty.

Sure, sport. Hitler's opposition was the same as his opposition. Mao was the same and Chain Kai-Shek, The Bolsheviks were the same as the Tsar. Sure they were

Only an idiot, or brainwashed partisan, doesn't recognize what the two-party death spiral is doing to this country.

Begging the question.

I gave you some specific examples of why I stopped voting third party. You ignored them all. That while totalitarian leftists think you're one of them

Excuses.

Your insistence that I am Democrat, or a leftist, or whatever boogieman you're jerking off to at the moment, tells me all I need to know about your judgement and reasoning skills. They've been consumed by your screeching fear and cowardice. And everyone who doesn't join you in your defeat is reminder of what you've sacrificed. No wonder you hate us so much.

So why do Democrats think you're a Democrat?

I don't think most of them do, though I don't really care. They find out, soon enough, where I really stand.

Are you so sucked into the two-party mindset that it's all you can see?

It's not about caring personally about the leftists saying that.

My question is why do you think totalitarian leftist socialists who want to silence their opposition with threats, intimidation and violence are responding positively to what you are saying.

I'm not asking if you personally care about them (no fucking duh), I'm asking if there's something wrong with the arguments you are making if they are responding to them, and they are the only ones responding to them.

This isn't an insult to your views, it's a question about how you're presenting them that bad people are responding to them and no one else is

 

[dblack]

My question is why do you think totalitarian leftist socialists who want to silence their opposition with threats, intimidation and violence are responding positively to what you are saying.

Again, I don't really care. But I suspect it's because they agree with me on whatever issue I'm posting about. Often, I'm posting about the threat represented by Trump's populism. And on that we usually agree.

I'm not asking if you personally care about them (no fucking duh), I'm asking if there's something wrong with the arguments you are making if they are responding to them, and they are the only ones responding to them.

That's a dumb reason to change your political convictions.

This isn't an insult to your views, it's a question about how you're presenting them that bad people are responding to them and no one else is

I don't formulate my opinions based on who agrees with me and who doesn't. If some Democrats agree with me about some issues - that's great. That's a good thing. The fact that you see it as a negative is EXACTLY what's wrong with partisan politics.

 

[kaz]

My question is why do you think totalitarian leftist socialists who want to silence their opposition with threats, intimidation and violence are responding positively to what you are saying.

Again, I don't really care. But I suspect it's because they agree with me on whatever issue I'm posting about. Often, I'm posting about the threat represented by Trump's populism. And on that we usually agree.

I'm not asking if you personally care about them (no fucking duh), I'm asking if there's something wrong with the arguments you are making if they are responding to them, and they are the only ones responding to them.

That's a dumb reason to change your political convictions.

This isn't an insult to your views, it's a question about how you're presenting them that bad people are responding to them and no one else is

I don't formulate my opinions based on who agrees with me and who doesn't. If some Democrats agree with me about some issues - that's great. That's a good thing. The fact that you see it as a negative is EXACTLY what's wrong with partisan politics.

dblack: "That's a dumb reason to change your political convictions."

Let's go back to what I actually said

kaz: "This isn't an insult to your views, it's a question about how you're presenting them."

I clearly said it's HOW YOU ARE PRESENTING THEM. How did you possibly not get that.

Democrats don't just agree with you on "some issues." You and they are constantly high fiving each other. Democrats don't tolerate disagreement on ANY issue. Yet they love you. No one is more intolerant than your buddy Faun. You don't get along with a single conservative or libertarian on the board. Yet most of the conservatives on the board can handle disagreeing on some issues and agreeing on other. I am clearly pro-choice, against the war on drugs, think our military is too big and too involved in the world. And I say so.

You keep trying to reframe my question about why leftists like you as just personal, oh, I don't want to be agreed with by leftists, I don't like them. No, I am asking why they identify with what you are saying. They are totalitarians and they are completely intolerant of anyone who disagrees with you on anything. So how do they read the thousands of your posts over all the years you wrote them and still think you are one of them? How is it possible for a libertarian to convince totalitarians you are a totalitarian when you are libertarian? It defies logic

 

[bendog]

The two party, other-of-two-evils conceit is killing us. Don't fall for it.

I'm not saying you're wrong about that. But in terms of the OP, I don't really agree. The MSM is simply selling ad time to "information" of interest to groups of consumers. I could blame the RW media for shit like Marvin posts, where you really have to go to moron level to believe the NYT printed "freedom" is an anti-govt slogan in America. But the morons consume the RW "Trump lie" information. Yet, the dems really did respond to Chauvin with "defund the police." No doubt saner dems went "WTF?" But even now, younger progressive people see socialism as a positive, but I'm pretty sure that if they make it to their 40s and have mortgages and families, they'll change their minds ... of course it remains to be seen if in 20 years the middle class remains the majority. I assume so, but even I give McConnell and Sanders the benefit of the doubt in thinking they have good intentions, it sometimes works out that good intentions have bad consequences.

 

[Mac1958]

Your insistence that I am Democrat, or a leftist, or whatever boogieman you're jerking off to at the moment, tells me all I need to know about your judgement and reasoning skills. They've been consumed by your screeching fear and cowardice. And everyone who doesn't join you in your defeat is reminder of what you've sacrificed. No wonder you hate us so much.

The rule has applied since Escalator Day: You're either an obedient Trumpster or you're an Evil Hitler Deep State Swamp Commie.

They simply don't recognize or understand anything else.

 

[dblack]

Democrats don't just agree with you on "some issues." You and they are constantly high fiving each other.

I realize that's how you see it, and you're just plain wrong. I suppose you get that impression because you spend most of your time on here defending Trump - so that's where cross paths, on the threads were Trump is being criticized. And on that issue I definitely more often agree with Democrats than I do with Trump supporters.

But again, I don't care. You're so lost in the two-party culture war bullshit that you can't see anything else, and I'm not going to waste time trying to disprove your fantasies.

No, I am asking why they identify with what you are saying.

Because they agree with what I'm saying. How hard is that to figure out?

But you leap from that, to the assumption that they agree with everything I'm saying and vice versa.

They are totalitarians and they are completely intolerant of anyone who disagrees with you on anything. So how do they read the thousands of your posts over all the years you wrote them and still think you are one of them?

One of them? What the fuck does that even mean? I agree with them on some issues. They agree with me on some issues. I agree with Republicans on some issues too, and they with me. So what? I even agree with idiot Trumpsters like you on some issues. But that doesn't make me a Trump supporter. It just means we agree on some issues. And I refuse to see agreement as a bad thing.

You clearly come at politics from a different perspective. You seem to see it as a question of identity. ie If you're a Republican, you're honor bound to disagree with everything a Democrat says and does. If you're a Democrat, likewise. That's childish and stupid, and it's corroding our nation.

 

[kaz]

Your insistence that I am Democrat, or a leftist, or whatever boogieman you're jerking off to at the moment, tells me all I need to know about your judgement and reasoning skills. They've been consumed by your screeching fear and cowardice. And everyone who doesn't join you in your defeat is reminder of what you've sacrificed. No wonder you hate us so much.

The rule has applied since Escalator Day: You're either an obedient Trumpster or you're an Evil Hitler Deep State Swamp Commie.

They simply don't recognize or understand anything else.

False dichotomy. I'm not even a loyal Trumpster, moron. I agree with him only when he's right. Really the only things I agree with him on are fighting back against Democrat tyranny, protecting the border and streamlining business regulations.

But challenge accepted.

I'm not with Trump on that he didn't pull out of Afghanistan, he got us deeper in Syria, he spends too much money, he didn't finish the wall at all costs, he didn't do enough to deregulate business, his trade policies were not based on free trade but warping markets.

Your turn, how are you not a Biden Bigot? You claim you aren't a Democrat, what are they fucking nuts about?

 

[Mac1958]

Your insistence that I am Democrat, or a leftist, or whatever boogieman you're jerking off to at the moment, tells me all I need to know about your judgement and reasoning skills. They've been consumed by your screeching fear and cowardice. And everyone who doesn't join you in your defeat is reminder of what you've sacrificed. No wonder you hate us so much.

The rule has applied since Escalator Day: You're either an obedient Trumpster or you're an Evil Hitler Deep State Swamp Commie.

They simply don't recognize or understand anything else.

False dichotomy. I'm not even a loyal Trumpster, moron. I agree with him only when he's right. Really the only things I agree with him on are fighting back against Democrat tyranny, protecting the border and streamlining business regulations.

But challenge accepted.

I'm not with Trump on that he didn't pull out of Afghanistan, he got us deeper in Syria, he spends too much money, he didn't finish the wall at all costs, he didn't do enough to deregulate business, his trade policies were not based on free trade but warping markets.

Your turn, how are you not a Biden Bigot? You claim you aren't a Democrat, what are they fucking nuts about?

Please try to calm down.

I disagree with Biden and the Democrats on many issues, so I could never be a Democrat.

You are free, however, to continue with the personal attacks, name-calling and Trump defense.

I'm just not required to participate.