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An Op Ed for the two party supporters

dblack

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The two party, other-of-two-evils conceit is killing us. Don't fall for it.
What would you replace it with? Americans have 2 visions for our future. I DO NOT support the Demonrat Party on any level. Therefore I vote for the best Republican
I'd begin with adopting ranked-choice-voting nationally. That would effectively eliminate the lesser-of-two-evils nonsense. Then, I'd implement multi-member districts for Congressional seats, which would do the same for gerrymandering.
 

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No one has been able to get the vote for illegals.
Even the amnesty program never gave anyone the vote.

No one is luring anyone here.
If you talk to illegals, they are scared of the death squads.
The US has trained, financed, and arm right wing, military dictatorships in almost all central and south American countries.
So no unions, low pay, danger and risk.

While I appreciate the ironic humor of turning this thread into yet another partisan pissing match, what do you guys think of the two-party system? Is it a good thing? A bad thing? Just the way it is? Any opinions on the topic?

LOL, that's what you just did, turn it into a partisan pissing match. I am trying to talk ideology with you and you can't move past party.

Which really gets to the two party system, doesn't it? I'm not a Democrat, so you think I'm a Republican.

That is far more the two party system is used in this country, anyone who doesn't agree with your view is typically labeled as the other party. I regularly take positions against our being in the middle east at all, the size of our military, the war on drugs. I'm pro-abortion and anti-death penalty. You're a long time poster and see all that. But I'm not a Democrat, so you just say partisan Republican. That is how our "two party" system really works, you're a perfect example
Nice try. No, I'm not, at all, obsessed with your party affiliation. That's your deal.

Deflect, deflect, deflect ...
:rolleyes:

You can't possibly be as dumb as you claim you are.

My issue with totalitarians is not that they formed a group, it's that they are ... hello ... totalitarians ...

I would not be thinking it makes sense if totalitarians were to go around agreeing with my arguments, I would be like WTF, what am I saying that resonates with TOTALITARIANS. In your case, almost all your agreement comes from totalitarians. Don't you ever wonder why? You seriously don't?

Except that Totalitarianism does not mean left or right, but just that one group rules and does not allow any other opposition.
But since Totalitarianism implies centralized, and left implies decentralized populism, Totalitarianism is usually a right wing dictatorship of the wealthy elite.

You really can't be a right wing free market capitalist and be a totalitarian, it doesn't make sense.

Totalitarian does go with government control over the economy, yes, it is left

Totally wrong.
Historically all capitalist want to be totalitarians.
Does GM want Ford or Chrysler?
Of course not.
And if not for government protection, GM would use force to destroy Ford and Chrysler.

Historically all dictators have always been right wing.
A "free market" does not mean a "fair market", because fairness requires regulation.
A "free market" always means where the opposition is destroyed by force.
Totalitarianism is always were the protection of the rights of minorities is missing because there is no democratic government regulation.
So then one power group not only takes over the economy, but the government as well.
It is only government regulation that allows plurality.
Historically all dictators have always been right wing.

Staln, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Castro, the Kim family, Ho Chi Minh, Nicolae Ceaușescu, Salvado Allende, Daniel Ortega.....ALL noted hard right wingers! :auiqs.jpg:

YES! Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, and the Kim family, were all extremely right wing.
If Stalin were not right wing, then he would not have killed all the communists and socialists.
These are all Stalinists and implemented State Capitalism.

Ho Chi Minh was neither right nor left, and was just trying to liberate Vietnam from the French, right wing, colonial imperialists.
Salvador Allende was extremely popular and democratically elected.
So was Daniel Ortega.
Ho Chi Minh won his war and then had a city named after him.
It's always going to be a long and hard fight for a country's people to overcome US imperialism.

I'm betting on young leader Kim now that he has the nuclear deterrent to US aggression.

Ho Chi Minh intentionally decided to be a Russian imperialist, liar
I'm starting to wonder if that jackwagon isn't Bill Clinton. :auiqs.jpg:
I think you'all fukkers have gone completely mad with your ridiculous political fight.

But I see great benefits for the world in Americans fighting each other rather than bombing other countries for their resources.

And the benefits to China have to be enormous.

When does the killing start?
 

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What would you replace it with? Americans have 2 visions for our future. I DO NOT support the Demonrat Party on any level. Therefore I vote for the best Republican
Probably because the "best republican" most often ends up being a controlled opposition asshole like McTurtle, Ryan, Romney, etcetera.
Commit yourself fully to your corporate paychopath ckskr Trump and you will surely gain that missing 'freedom'!
 
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I think there's certainly truth in that. But I think their bigger fear was I would keep running and splitting the vote and Democrats would keep winning.

The democrats are going to keep winning. And so is the republicans.
Why? Because there's only two parties. And they control everything to ensure they continue to keep winning.

As long as everyone keeps arguing about which evil party is less evil, we'll always get evil.
 

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I think there's certainly truth in that. But I think their bigger fear was I would keep running and splitting the vote and Democrats would keep winning.

The democrats are going to keep winning. And so is the republicans.
Why? Because there's only two parties. And they control everything to ensure they continue to keep winning.

As long as everyone keeps arguing about which evil party is less evil, we'll always get evil.

That is far less true in local politics than national politics.

And if you're arguing you don't care about Democrats now actually becoming fascists and silencing their opposition and outright stealing elections, then you and your liberty are like a fool and his money, you will soon be parted.

Stick your head in the sand, go ahead.

I voted third party seven out of eight elections before 2020. You're preaching to the choir. But you're providing nothing but talking points.

At some point, it was worth voting against Hitler because it was Hitler. Democrats have reached that point
 

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At some point, it was worth voting against Hitler because it was Hitler. Democrats have reached that point

At another point, if voting "against" Hitler means voting for Stalin, I'll pass.
 

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Before I get into this, I just wanna start out by saying I don't believe any 3rd party will ever come to a majority in our government. At least not in my lifetime. And there's many reasons why. But since it's not part of what I'm about to say, I'll leave that for another discussion. Also, I DO NOT support Trump or Pelosi. I do not support Schumer or McConnell. In fact there's only a couple of politicians that I could support. And two of those are gone, as of 2020.

For over 170 years the Republicans and Democrats have ruled over this country, 100% of the time. And since then, they've publicly denounced each other, but secretly sided with each other with their votes. Votes on important issue. Well, issues that were important to them. Things with HUGE price tags on. Like funding the MIC (Military Industrial Complex).

It's my opinion that there is the ruling class. Then there are their lobbyist. Then there's the government. And last but not least, all of their wants and wishes comes spewing out through the media.
The ruling class and many of the lobbyist, we'll never see or hear about in the media. Because they have enough money and influence to stay hidden. They don't want voters to know who's actually giving the orders. That's where the politicians come in. They're the ones who get blamed for everything. That's their job. Raise money and take the heat. Taking the heat generally consists of only taking a few tough questions now and then. This is why they always give general scripted answers to specific questions. Actually never answering a direct question with a direct answer. Their voting records are their direct answers. Luckily for them, usually no one keeps up with voting records or most of the legislation that's built into a bill they voted on.
A good example of this is Trumps funding of Planned Parenthood. Most Trump supporters don't realize that he's done this. And frankly, the voters on the left don't realize it either. And if they did, they'd just dismiss it.

One thing I don't understand about all the keyboard rambo's on both sides of these issue's, is why they'll pay more attention to something said in the MSM or some political blogger, instead of a politicians voting record. This is where all the substance is. Not what Rachel Maddow or Glen Beck says.
The issues that are brought fourth in the media, IMO, are just things that are meant to keep the left and the right divided. Things like racism, that none of us can do anything about. Except scream at each other and the politicians over. At the end of the day, nothing is going to change, because it's not meant to. And for good reason. You can't legislate the hearts and minds of individuals.
And another thing about all this racism, the right is right and wrong about it. And so is the left.
The right is correct when they bring up the criminal element of race, especially towards the blacks, because young black males commit most of the homicides in this country and are have the highest population of gun violence in this country. Their most correct statement is how this is more of a cultural problem, and not a race problem.
The left is correct when they mention how blacks are still suppressed in this country. They are suppressed. And why's and how's are a little foggy though. Poor blacks are suppressed by the welfare system. They're also suppressed by the drug problem. The media also suppresses them by giving the poor blacks something to point their fingers at and blame.
If someone is in a bad situation, and they have someone or something to blame, in a sense, that gives them a reason to not pull themselves up out of that bad situation. Like the saying we've always heard growing up, "Can't never could do nothing."

But this is just a prime example of how the ruling class, special interest/lobbyist, politicians through the media keeps everyone divided.
Fact is, not achieving success, breaking the law, staying hooked on welfare, and all those under achiever actions isn't a race issue, it's a human nature trait. Some people, regardless of their skin color are just bad people. Some are horrific. Some are sneaky in their crimes. Some are just lazy. While others learn how to be successful and do it. But it's not because of their skin color.
So the left is correct when they say no one should be judged by their skin color. MLK was correct when he said people should be judged by the content of their character. Even MLK would agree that no one should be treated better than anyone else because of their skin color. Including blacks.

The media won't tell you that. The politicians won't tell you that. Why? Because racism sells ads. Ads generate revenue. To the media, that's their salaries, raises, bonuses and retirement. To us, after taking in all of this crap, including immigration issues, war issues, spending issues, and all the other bias news we're all fed, the end result is the vast majority of people dividing themselves from each other.
Like the wars we've been in since way before 9/11. If the left and right voters were to all come together and realize that these wars are against people and countries that pose no threat to the USA, instead of supporting a politician who gives us some made up reason to support the wars, then the wars would stop, because every politician that supports these wars of aggression, would be voted out.
Another example is abortion. The republicans have had many instances where they could've legally made abortion illegal. Because Roe V Wade was a supreme court decision that was based on privacy, and not life, there's grounds for a law based on life that the supreme court couldn't touch. With that said, I can count at least 10 times where the GOP had a majority in the house and senate, with a GOP president, where the "sanctity of life" bill (or another bill like it) was brought up, put into committee and that's where it died. If republican voters would pay attention, and vote against those responsible for keeping such legislation in committee, then they would get an actual pro life politician elected.

So to end all this, the media keeps most Americans divided. Some Americans want to be divided. They don't want to come together and work things out. They won't even listen to reason from the other side. I'm not sure if it's brainwashing they're subjected to. Or it's just part of their human nature. Either way, all they'll achieve is more of the same thing we've been getting since the Republicans and Democrats began ruling this country. And if we teach our kids to divide themselves politically, it'll continue.
Notice in the link below on the right hand side of the link a heading titled "International affiliation" & what directly follows that heading! Make notice of the heading(Regional affiliation) directly below the "International affiliation" heading & what directly follows that heading!


Below is the International "Democrat Union link" that the GOP/Pub party is affiliated with. Make sure to read the ENTIRE I.D.U. link so you can form your own opinion. Great post on your part like keep 'em coming!!!
 
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Below is the International "Democrat Union link" that the GOP/Pub party is affiliated with. Make sure to read the ENTIRE I.D.U. link so you can form your own opinion. Great post on your part like keep 'em coming!!!

lol.. International Democrat Union.

At first glance, it seems like some sort of a secret conspiracy thing going on here. And more than likely, there's some shenanigans going on inside all this.
Question: There's a lot of countries listed as "In opposition." What does that mean?
 

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