An Apology to African Americans

Why can't people forgive and get over the past? There is a level of absurdity to this that is almost comical.
I've read posts here from folks who feel they were hurt by Affirmative Action policies. It may have happened years ago, but they still bring it up and complain that their lives would have been different, if it weren't for AA. It's easy to tell other folks to forgive and forget, but we are not so good at doing it ourselves either.

The other thing is that individual grievances do not speak to the broader, institutional racism that exists today and affects people daily. If we do not live with and know people personally who are affected, it is easy to say that it's all over. Maybe it is in our minds, but not for some.
Whites are who is affected by racism - ie. the racism of affirmative action. It may be affirmative for blacks. It is negative for whites. And it's the biggest racism (by far,) against the largest number of people, in America
And harms retired whites too, by reduced social security $$.
 
I KNOW you are wonderful. I KNOW you are spiritual. I KNOW you are warm, loving and forgiving. I KNOW you deserve better. I KNOW you deserve an apology.
Somebody's race does not make them wonderful, spiritual, warm, loving and forgiving.

Are you sure you really want to say that about these brothers?

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Before you answer that take a look at this.

cook-victims.jpg


The 12 year old girl on the top right was a dear friend of mine. I heard what they did to her from one of the responding officers and a guy who worked for the M.E.

They kidnapped her and took her down into the dark cold creepy basement of an abandoned theater. Then they beat the crap out her, tortured her and raped her. They cut off her tits. They impaled her with a piece of rebar. Shoved it up her pussy and out her mouth. And the blood evidence indicates that she was still alive when they did all of that to her. Then they finished her off by flattening her head with a concrete block.

Do you still want to call them warm, loving and wonderful?
Yeah, I've head and seen lots of these types of "pick and choose" pics and videos. I still believe in my heart that African Americans as a people are misrepresented and stereotyped. I know far too many folks who are as I described to think otherwise.

I could find stories of scary individual white folks with no problem. However, going way back when Europeans invaded Africa, it can be said that an organized, vicious system of capitalism and colonialism puts white folks way ahead in the overall not so nice and not so spiritual category.
European invasion and enslavement of black Africans is a drop in the bucket compared to enslavement of them by Arab Muslims. That has gone on for many centuries before slave ships came to America.

Enslavement of black Africans is so deeply entrenched in the Islamic world, that the Arabic word "abed" (or abeed) has 2 meanings. It means black, and also means slave.
 
I KNOW you are wonderful. I KNOW you are spiritual. I KNOW you are warm, loving and forgiving. I KNOW you deserve better. I KNOW you deserve an apology.
Somebody's race does not make them wonderful, spiritual, warm, loving and forgiving.

Are you sure you really want to say that about these brothers?

cook_bros_000.jpg


Before you answer that take a look at this.

cook-victims.jpg


The 12 year old girl on the top right was a dear friend of mine. I heard what they did to her from one of the responding officers and a guy who worked for the M.E.

They kidnapped her and took her down into the dark cold creepy basement of an abandoned theater. Then they beat the crap out her, tortured her and raped her. They cut off her tits. They impaled her with a piece of rebar. Shoved it up her pussy and out her mouth. And the blood evidence indicates that she was still alive when they did all of that to her. Then they finished her off by flattening her head with a concrete block.

Do you still want to call them warm, loving and wonderful?
Yeah, I've head and seen lots of these types of "pick and choose" pics and videos. I still believe in my heart that African Americans as a people are misrepresented and stereotyped. I know far too many folks who are as I described to think otherwise.

I could find stories of scary individual white folks with no problem. However, going way back when Europeans invaded Africa, it can be said that an organized, vicious system of capitalism and colonialism puts white folks way ahead in the overall not so nice and not so spiritual category.
Thanks for being honest and admitting that you're an abhorrent piece of shit racist scumbag.
 
Lol...... Right. 56 years ago it was 1961. If you had been black in this country in 1961 you would have probably committed suicide.
I was 15 years old in 1961. Lots of blacks in my high school. They were OK. Same as everyone else.


And in 1961, YOUR parents and other white people like them were being displaced in colleges as well as the workplace all over America?

Suuuuure.
His daddy and 30 other whites applied for a job and a black guy got the job because of aa. But before aa blacks never got the job. How was that fair?

So aa says companies have to have 12% of their staff black. Same as the population %

These guys want to go back to 100% white


"People" like him and his buddy Correll, believe that ANY positive gain by ANYONE that is black is at the expense of white people.

What is so funny is that "Deflectionist" has been crying his "whoa is me" sob story for years here about how "AA ruined his life", when all one has to do is some very simple math based on relative population size, the black unemployment rate and the admission rate nationally for blacks in colleges which proves that it is impossible for white people to be displaced in the millions by blacks as he claims. Hes a failure due to his own shortcomings and nothing else..
Many blacks are without jobs because they don't want them.

Nobody does more sob stories than blacks. Constantly bitching even when they have AA.

I was NOT a failure. I just said I never made more than $12/hr, but that was when working for others. I also owned my own business for 10 years in the 1980s, and netted over $100K/yr 6 straight years. That,s about $350K/year in 2017 dollars

I also made good $$ playing with a rock band for 11 years.

And if the college admission rate is low for blacks, its because, just like the jobs, they're just too lazy to show up.

If all the above is really true, then your life is far from ruined.

So if "the Blacks" are so "lazy", how are tbey benefitting at the expense of all of you poor, maligned, victimized white people?
 
Why can't people forgive and get over the past? There is a level of absurdity to this that is almost comical.
I've read posts here from folks who feel they were hurt by Affirmative Action policies. It may have happened years ago, but they still bring it up and complain that their lives would have been different, if it weren't for AA. It's easy to tell other folks to forgive and forget, but we are not so good at doing it ourselves either.

The other thing is that individual grievances do not speak to the broader, institutional racism that exists today and affects people daily. If we do not live with and know people personally who are affected, it is easy to say that it's all over. Maybe it is in our minds, but not for some.
Whites are who is affected by racism - ie. the racism of affirmative action. It may be affirmative for blacks. It is negative for whites. And it's the biggest racism (by far,) against the largest number of people, in America
And harms retired whites too, by reduced social security $$.

Anyone who plans intelligently for retirement does not just count on social security.

"The so called "lazy blacks" as you refer to them, have not benefitted one iota at your expense. If they aren't working because "they don't want jobs" then who is getting the jobs?

By your own admission they are "too lazy" to show up for the jobs that you say are being "given to them".

You can't have it both ways.

You are scapegoating.
 
Why can't people forgive and get over the past? There is a level of absurdity to this that is almost comical.
I've read posts here from folks who feel they were hurt by Affirmative Action policies. It may have happened years ago, but they still bring it up and complain that their lives would have been different, if it weren't for AA. It's easy to tell other folks to forgive and forget, but we are not so good at doing it ourselves either.

The other thing is that individual grievances do not speak to the broader, institutional racism that exists today and affects people daily. If we do not live with and know people personally who are affected, it is easy to say that it's all over. Maybe it is in our minds, but not for some.
Whites are who is affected by racism - ie. the racism of affirmative action. It may be affirmative for blacks. It is negative for whites. And it's the biggest racism (by far,) against the largest number of people, in America
And harms retired whites too, by reduced social security $$.

Anyone who plans intelligently for retirement does not just count on social security.

"The so called "lazy blacks" as you refer to them, have not benefitted one iota at your expense. If they aren't working because "they don't want jobs" then who is getting the jobs?

By your own admission they are "too lazy" to show up for the jobs that you say are being "given to them".

You can't have it both ways.

You are scapegoating.
Lol - Nice try. There is no " both ways". AA gives them jobs; many blacks ignore the opportunity.

Who gets the jobs ? Some blacks do, and many go to nonwhite foreigners (Mexicans, Chinese, India) by AA.
 
Why can't people forgive and get over the past? There is a level of absurdity to this that is almost comical.
I've read posts here from folks who feel they were hurt by Affirmative Action policies. It may have happened years ago, but they still bring it up and complain that their lives would have been different, if it weren't for AA. It's easy to tell other folks to forgive and forget, but we are not so good at doing it ourselves either.

The other thing is that individual grievances do not speak to the broader, institutional racism that exists today and affects people daily. If we do not live with and know people personally who are affected, it is easy to say that it's all over. Maybe it is in our minds, but not for some.
Whites are who is affected by racism - ie. the racism of affirmative action. It may be affirmative for blacks. It is negative for whites. And it's the biggest racism (by far,) against the largest number of people, in America
And harms retired whites too, by reduced social security $$.

Anyone who plans intelligently for retirement does not just count on social security.

"The so called "lazy blacks" as you refer to them, have not benefitted one iota at your expense. If they aren't working because "they don't want jobs" then who is getting the jobs?

By your own admission they are "too lazy" to show up for the jobs that you say are being "given to them".

You can't have it both ways.

You are scapegoating.
Lol - Nice try. There is no " both ways". AA gives them jobs; many blacks ignore the opportunity.

Who gets the jobs ? Some blacks do, and many go to nonwhite foreigners (Mexicans, Chinese, India) by AA.

Nice try? Im just stating the obvious.
 
Lol...... Right. 56 years ago it was 1961. If you had been black in this country in 1961 you would have probably committed suicide.
I was 15 years old in 1961. Lots of blacks in my high school. They were OK. Same as everyone else.


And in 1961, YOUR parents and other white people like them were being displaced in colleges as well as the workplace all over America?

Suuuuure.
His daddy and 30 other whites applied for a job and a black guy got the job because of aa. But before aa blacks never got the job. How was that fair?

So aa says companies have to have 12% of their staff black. Same as the population %

These guys want to go back to 100% white


"People" like him and his buddy Correll, believe that ANY positive gain by ANYONE that is black is at the expense of white people.

What is so funny is that "Deflectionist" has been crying his "whoa is me" sob story for years here about how "AA ruined his life", when all one has to do is some very simple math based on relative population size, the black unemployment rate and the admission rate nationally for blacks in colleges which proves that it is impossible for white people to be displaced in the millions by blacks as he claims. Hes a failure due to his own shortcomings and nothing else..
Many blacks are without jobs because they don't want them.

Nobody does more sob stories than blacks. Constantly bitching even when they have AA.

I was NOT a failure. I just said I never made more than $12/hr, but that was when working for others. I also owned my own business for 10 years in the 1980s, and netted over $100K/yr 6 straight years. That,s about $350K/year in 2017 dollars

I also made good $$ playing with a rock band for 11 years.

And if the college admission rate is low for blacks, its because, just like the jobs, they're just too lazy to show up.
Once again whites proving we all have negative feelings towards black people.
 
Why can't people forgive and get over the past? There is a level of absurdity to this that is almost comical.
I've read posts here from folks who feel they were hurt by Affirmative Action policies. It may have happened years ago, but they still bring it up and complain that their lives would have been different, if it weren't for AA. It's easy to tell other folks to forgive and forget, but we are not so good at doing it ourselves either.

The other thing is that individual grievances do not speak to the broader, institutional racism that exists today and affects people daily. If we do not live with and know people personally who are affected, it is easy to say that it's all over. Maybe it is in our minds, but not for some.
Whites are who is affected by racism - ie. the racism of affirmative action. It may be affirmative for blacks. It is negative for whites. And it's the biggest racism (by far,) against the largest number of people, in America
And harms retired whites too, by reduced social security $$.

Anyone who plans intelligently for retirement does not just count on social security.

"The so called "lazy blacks" as you refer to them, have not benefitted one iota at your expense. If they aren't working because "they don't want jobs" then who is getting the jobs?

By your own admission they are "too lazy" to show up for the jobs that you say are being "given to them".

You can't have it both ways.

You are scapegoating.
Lol - Nice try. There is no " both ways". AA gives them jobs; many blacks ignore the opportunity.

Who gets the jobs ? Some blacks do, and many go to nonwhite foreigners (Mexicans, Chinese, India) by AA.
Don't forget women benefitted the most from AA.
 
Here the one to a study that was able to give a nice hard number to HOW MUCH discrimination is found in Ivy League college admissions.

NOrmally I would like to link to a report about the article, to make it more readable, BUT all the ones I find that are NOT found conservative sites, seem solely concerned with the impact on Asians, without reference to whites.


https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/webAdmission Preferences Espenshade Chung Walling Dec 2004.pdf


"Based on complete data for three applicant cohorts to three of the most academically selective research universities, we show that admission bonuses for athletes and legacies rival, and sometimes even exceed, the size of preferences for underrepresented minority applicants. Being African American instead of white is worth an average of 230 additional SAT points on a 1600-point scale, but recruited athletes reap an advantage equivalent to 200 SAT points. Other things equal, Hispanic applicants gain the equivalent of 185 points, which is only slightly more than the legacy advantage, which is worth 160 points. Coming from an Asian background, however, is comparable to the loss of 50 SAT points. As sizeable as these preferences are, we provide evidence that their magnitudes are biased down by relying on SAT scores as the sole indicator of academic merit. When such additional measures as high school GPA and class rank are included, being a recruited athlete has an even greater impact on one’s chances of admission. The African-American and Hispanic advantage also increases, as does the disadvantage if one has an Asian background."

I don't want to hear about athletes and legacies. I want to strictly talk about blacks. Because adding in athletes taints the results big time! And I'm sorry but people want to go to UofM because they have a good football program.

Fact is, less than 1% of whites are affected by aa. I'm guessing MUCH less than 1%. What about the small minority that suffers? It's worth the price. But I'll never convince you guys that so do away with it and show black people how fair you are going to be to them after AA is gone.


THe study covered different issues, but the fact that the number for athletes and legacies are listed there does not change teh fact that the effective sat bonus for black skin was 230 points.

Indeed, even if you don't about it, it gives you a sense of the size of the problem when having black skin is 15 % more valuable than being a competitive athlete?



On a 1600 point scale, 160 points is ten percent. 230 points?That's a big hill for a poor white kid hoping for a scholarship to climb.

No dreams for you, stupid white kid. Go work in the mills. Oops, they are all closed. While, whatever.

Or go to another school. I don't know why I didn't get into UofM. How many white kids don't get into these colleges because of AA? A very small number. But how many blacks who should have got hired didn't just because they are black? Lots. You seem to not care to fix that problem. I guess why should you care? You aren't black.

I think/hope Republicans end it. I want blacks to know definitively that conservatives and Republicans are much worse than liberals and Democrats.


1. If blacks get a 230 point bonus for black skin, the number is probably higher than you think.


2. AND this is just one small part of the larger issues. THe forces that drive that discrimination are universal in our society.

3. How many blacks not hired because black? IMO, few. The witch hunt to find any such shit is too strong. In my time in management, it was made clear that any accusation and you would be thrown under the bus so the upper management could cover their asses.


4. Any reasonable black should be able to see that such discrimination in their favor will blow up in their face someday.
Kennedy, Johnson, nixon, Carter, Reagan, Clinton Obama and Bush's disagreed with your feelings on aa.

But the only thing that matters is what Trump Ryan and McConnell think and can they get enough Republicans to go along.

Maybe it's time to end it.

This proves my point in my thread "I'm a Republican now". The Democrats didn't let blacks down. Republicans convinced blacks this is true so they wouldn't vote and it worked. Blacks let Democrats down. The corporate media kept showing blacks that white cops are still killing blacks. It's as if Steve bannon decides what news we discuss. Genius.

So end aa already. Give blacks a reason to show up for us



It is funny.

You site a long list of US presidents as evidence that AA is needed.

But other liberals, act as though AA, and all it's associated programs and efforts, has not really happened because outcomes are still not equal.
 
Here the one to a study that was able to give a nice hard number to HOW MUCH discrimination is found in Ivy League college admissions.

NOrmally I would like to link to a report about the article, to make it more readable, BUT all the ones I find that are NOT found conservative sites, seem solely concerned with the impact on Asians, without reference to whites.


https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/webAdmission Preferences Espenshade Chung Walling Dec 2004.pdf


"Based on complete data for three applicant cohorts to three of the most academically selective research universities, we show that admission bonuses for athletes and legacies rival, and sometimes even exceed, the size of preferences for underrepresented minority applicants. Being African American instead of white is worth an average of 230 additional SAT points on a 1600-point scale, but recruited athletes reap an advantage equivalent to 200 SAT points. Other things equal, Hispanic applicants gain the equivalent of 185 points, which is only slightly more than the legacy advantage, which is worth 160 points. Coming from an Asian background, however, is comparable to the loss of 50 SAT points. As sizeable as these preferences are, we provide evidence that their magnitudes are biased down by relying on SAT scores as the sole indicator of academic merit. When such additional measures as high school GPA and class rank are included, being a recruited athlete has an even greater impact on one’s chances of admission. The African-American and Hispanic advantage also increases, as does the disadvantage if one has an Asian background."

I don't want to hear about athletes and legacies. I want to strictly talk about blacks. Because adding in athletes taints the results big time! And I'm sorry but people want to go to UofM because they have a good football program.

Fact is, less than 1% of whites are affected by aa. I'm guessing MUCH less than 1%. What about the small minority that suffers? It's worth the price. But I'll never convince you guys that so do away with it and show black people how fair you are going to be to them after AA is gone.


THe study covered different issues, but the fact that the number for athletes and legacies are listed there does not change teh fact that the effective sat bonus for black skin was 230 points.

Indeed, even if you don't about it, it gives you a sense of the size of the problem when having black skin is 15 % more valuable than being a competitive athlete?



On a 1600 point scale, 160 points is ten percent. 230 points?That's a big hill for a poor white kid hoping for a scholarship to climb.

No dreams for you, stupid white kid. Go work in the mills. Oops, they are all closed. While, whatever.

Or go to another school. I don't know why I didn't get into UofM. How many white kids don't get into these colleges because of AA? A very small number. But how many blacks who should have got hired didn't just because they are black? Lots. You seem to not care to fix that problem. I guess why should you care? You aren't black.

I think/hope Republicans end it. I want blacks to know definitively that conservatives and Republicans are much worse than liberals and Democrats.


1. If blacks get a 230 point bonus for black skin, the number is probably higher than you think.


2. AND this is just one small part of the larger issues. THe forces that drive that discrimination are universal in our society.

3. How many blacks not hired because black? IMO, few. The witch hunt to find any such shit is too strong. In my time in management, it was made clear that any accusation and you would be thrown under the bus so the upper management could cover their asses.


4. Any reasonable black should be able to see that such discrimination in their favor will blow up in their face someday.
I don't think any black who got a job at Ford in the 1970 and retired in 2000 with a pension has a problem that finally companies were forced to hire on black people.

And I know it sucks that white privilege didn't keep them out. Wouldn't it be great if we could have kept pretending that the white was always more qualified.

But I am serious now is probably a good time to end affirmative action.


1970 was really before my time.

I've never seen anyone refuse to hire a more qualified black because "white privilege".


I have seen people refuse to hire more qualified whites because of a desire for more "diversity".


It is very divisive of you to ignore that fact.
 
Myth 1 is not a Myth; however, it takes time. Over time, years or perhaps over 2 or 3 generations a color-blind society can be reached by adopting color-blind policies. Policies such as AA may help in the short term, but in the long term if continued will prevent having a color-blind society.
It's time to end AA and adopt color-blind policies now.
Trump & Sessions are already working to put a stop to it, but that's not enough.

Reparations$$$ will have to be paid to all the whites who have suffered huge losses $$$ from AA. Even in retirement, we still suffer due to reduced social security from all reduced wages
Everything you say is a myth
Deep in denial, huh ? Well Affirmative Action is no myth. Blacks are the beneficiaries; Whites are the victims. Been that way for 56 years.

Welcome to the real world.
Everything you say is a myth
Deep in denial, huh ? Well Affirmative Action is no myth. Blacks are the beneficiaries; Whites are the victims. Been that way for 56 years.

Welcome to the real world.


Lol...... Right. 56 years ago it was 1961. If you had been black in this country in 1961 you would have probably committed suicide.
I was 15 years old in 1961. Lots of blacks in my high school. They were OK. Same as everyone else.


And in 1961, YOUR parents and other white people like them were being displaced in colleges as well as the workplace all over America?

Suuuuure.
His daddy and 30 other whites applied for a job and a black guy got the job because of aa. But before aa blacks never got the job. How was that fair?

So aa says companies have to have 12% of their staff black. Same as the population %

These guys want to go back to 100% white

No one is asking for 100% white.
 
AN APOLOGY TO AFRICAN AMERICANS – LONG OVERDUE

I couldn’t focus at work today. My mind kept taking me back to Charlottesville.

I kept seeing the hate in the eyes of the KKK, White Supremacists and Neo-Nazi protesters.

I kept hearing the voices of those who vowed to “take their country back” and rid it of all diversity and unity.

In my heart, I can find no other response but to apologize – for their hatred, for their violence, for their total ignorance of who you really are.

I am a white woman who has been married to a black man for 37 years.

I KNOW you are wonderful. I KNOW you are spiritual. I KNOW you are warm, loving and forgiving. I KNOW you deserve better. I KNOW you deserve an apology.

An apology from our nation, from our leaders and from every white person who has never spoken up against racism and the way you have been treated in this United States of America.

As one individual, I do apologize. Right here. Right now.

It may not help a lot. It may not change the course of history. It may not even make a crack in the wall that divides us. But still – I APOLOGIZE.

Delores Paulk

:rofl:
 
I was 15 years old in 1961. Lots of blacks in my high school. They were OK. Same as everyone else.


And in 1961, YOUR parents and other white people like them were being displaced in colleges as well as the workplace all over America?

Suuuuure.
His daddy and 30 other whites applied for a job and a black guy got the job because of aa. But before aa blacks never got the job. How was that fair?

So aa says companies have to have 12% of their staff black. Same as the population %

These guys want to go back to 100% white


"People" like him and his buddy Correll, believe that ANY positive gain by ANYONE that is black is at the expense of white people.

What is so funny is that "Deflectionist" has been crying his "whoa is me" sob story for years here about how "AA ruined his life", when all one has to do is some very simple math based on relative population size, the black unemployment rate and the admission rate nationally for blacks in colleges which proves that it is impossible for white people to be displaced in the millions by blacks as he claims. Hes a failure due to his own shortcomings and nothing else..
Many blacks are without jobs because they don't want them.

Nobody does more sob stories than blacks. Constantly bitching even when they have AA.

I was NOT a failure. I just said I never made more than $12/hr, but that was when working for others. I also owned my own business for 10 years in the 1980s, and netted over $100K/yr 6 straight years. That,s about $350K/year in 2017 dollars

I also made good $$ playing with a rock band for 11 years.

And if the college admission rate is low for blacks, its because, just like the jobs, they're just too lazy to show up.
Once again whites proving we all have negative feelings towards black people.
1. I'm not entirely "white". Half of my grandparents came to the US from Central America. I speak Spanish fluently.

2. I have negative feelings for anyone who has supported Affirmative Action, regardless of race.
 
I KNOW you are wonderful. I KNOW you are spiritual. I KNOW you are warm, loving and forgiving. I KNOW you deserve better. I KNOW you deserve an apology.
Somebody's race does not make them wonderful, spiritual, warm, loving and forgiving.

Are you sure you really want to say that about these brothers?

cook_bros_000.jpg


Before you answer that take a look at this.

cook-victims.jpg


The 12 year old girl on the top right was a dear friend of mine. I heard what they did to her from one of the responding officers and a guy who worked for the M.E.

They kidnapped her and took her down into the dark cold creepy basement of an abandoned theater. Then they beat the crap out her, tortured her and raped her. They cut off her tits. They impaled her with a piece of rebar. Shoved it up her pussy and out her mouth. And the blood evidence indicates that she was still alive when they did all of that to her. Then they finished her off by flattening her head with a concrete block.

Do you still want to call them warm, loving and wonderful?
Yeah, I've head and seen lots of these types of "pick and choose" pics and videos. I still believe in my heart that African Americans as a people are misrepresented and stereotyped. I know far too many folks who are as I described to think otherwise.

I could find stories of scary individual white folks with no problem. However, going way back when Europeans invaded Africa, it can be said that an organized, vicious system of capitalism and colonialism puts white folks way ahead in the overall not so nice and not so spiritual category.
Thanks for being honest and admitting that you're an abhorrent piece of shit racist scumbag.
Insults do not offend me, nor do they change my mind.
 
I don't want to hear about athletes and legacies. I want to strictly talk about blacks. Because adding in athletes taints the results big time! And I'm sorry but people want to go to UofM because they have a good football program.

Fact is, less than 1% of whites are affected by aa. I'm guessing MUCH less than 1%. What about the small minority that suffers? It's worth the price. But I'll never convince you guys that so do away with it and show black people how fair you are going to be to them after AA is gone.


THe study covered different issues, but the fact that the number for athletes and legacies are listed there does not change teh fact that the effective sat bonus for black skin was 230 points.

Indeed, even if you don't about it, it gives you a sense of the size of the problem when having black skin is 15 % more valuable than being a competitive athlete?



On a 1600 point scale, 160 points is ten percent. 230 points?That's a big hill for a poor white kid hoping for a scholarship to climb.

No dreams for you, stupid white kid. Go work in the mills. Oops, they are all closed. While, whatever.

Or go to another school. I don't know why I didn't get into UofM. How many white kids don't get into these colleges because of AA? A very small number. But how many blacks who should have got hired didn't just because they are black? Lots. You seem to not care to fix that problem. I guess why should you care? You aren't black.

I think/hope Republicans end it. I want blacks to know definitively that conservatives and Republicans are much worse than liberals and Democrats.


1. If blacks get a 230 point bonus for black skin, the number is probably higher than you think.


2. AND this is just one small part of the larger issues. THe forces that drive that discrimination are universal in our society.

3. How many blacks not hired because black? IMO, few. The witch hunt to find any such shit is too strong. In my time in management, it was made clear that any accusation and you would be thrown under the bus so the upper management could cover their asses.


4. Any reasonable black should be able to see that such discrimination in their favor will blow up in their face someday.
Kennedy, Johnson, nixon, Carter, Reagan, Clinton Obama and Bush's disagreed with your feelings on aa.

But the only thing that matters is what Trump Ryan and McConnell think and can they get enough Republicans to go along.

Maybe it's time to end it.

This proves my point in my thread "I'm a Republican now". The Democrats didn't let blacks down. Republicans convinced blacks this is true so they wouldn't vote and it worked. Blacks let Democrats down. The corporate media kept showing blacks that white cops are still killing blacks. It's as if Steve bannon decides what news we discuss. Genius.

So end aa already. Give blacks a reason to show up for us



It is funny.

You site a long list of US presidents as evidence that AA is needed.

But other liberals, act as though AA, and all it's associated programs and efforts, has not really happened because outcomes are still not equal.
It would be nice if socially responsible companies made sure their hiring managers hired blacks.

I find it funny Trump asked blacks what do they have to lose? Now we know. Jobs. Now companies don't have to hire women or blacks. My company has zero blacks and 2 women now. We had zero blacks and 4 women before. No Muslims Jews Asians or Mexicans.

We have Brits, Greeks, Germans, whites, Dutch. We are so white. Lol

One half Arab and a gay.
 
Why can't people forgive and get over the past? There is a level of absurdity to this that is almost comical.
I've read posts here from folks who feel they were hurt by Affirmative Action policies. It may have happened years ago, but they still bring it up and complain that their lives would have been different, if it weren't for AA. It's easy to tell other folks to forgive and forget, but we are not so good at doing it ourselves either.

The other thing is that individual grievances do not speak to the broader, institutional racism that exists today and affects people daily. If we do not live with and know people personally who are affected, it is easy to say that it's all over. Maybe it is in our minds, but not for some.
Whites are who is affected by racism - ie. the racism of affirmative action. It may be affirmative for blacks. It is negative for whites. And it's the biggest racism (by far,) against the largest number of people, in America
And harms retired whites too, by reduced social security $$.
Blacks make up ten percent of the population so socially responsible companies have ten percent of their workforce black. Fair and right.

Small businesses don't have to but should
 
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Trump & Sessions are already working to put a stop to it, but that's not enough.

Reparations$$$ will have to be paid to all the whites who have suffered huge losses $$$ from AA. Even in retirement, we still suffer due to reduced social security from all reduced wages
Deep in denial, huh ? Well Affirmative Action is no myth. Blacks are the beneficiaries; Whites are the victims. Been that way for 56 years.

Welcome to the real world.
Deep in denial, huh ? Well Affirmative Action is no myth. Blacks are the beneficiaries; Whites are the victims. Been that way for 56 years.

Welcome to the real world.


Lol...... Right. 56 years ago it was 1961. If you had been black in this country in 1961 you would have probably committed suicide.
I was 15 years old in 1961. Lots of blacks in my high school. They were OK. Same as everyone else.


And in 1961, YOUR parents and other white people like them were being displaced in colleges as well as the workplace all over America?

Suuuuure.
His daddy and 30 other whites applied for a job and a black guy got the job because of aa. But before aa blacks never got the job. How was that fair?

So aa says companies have to have 12% of their staff black. Same as the population %

These guys want to go back to 100% white

No one is asking for 100% white.
AA was passed for a reason. Are you saying it's no longer needed? Are you saying it should have never been implemented?
 
I KNOW you are wonderful. I KNOW you are spiritual. I KNOW you are warm, loving and forgiving. I KNOW you deserve better. I KNOW you deserve an apology.
Somebody's race does not make them wonderful, spiritual, warm, loving and forgiving.

Are you sure you really want to say that about these brothers?

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Before you answer that take a look at this.

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The 12 year old girl on the top right was a dear friend of mine. I heard what they did to her from one of the responding officers and a guy who worked for the M.E.

They kidnapped her and took her down into the dark cold creepy basement of an abandoned theater. Then they beat the crap out her, tortured her and raped her. They cut off her tits. They impaled her with a piece of rebar. Shoved it up her pussy and out her mouth. And the blood evidence indicates that she was still alive when they did all of that to her. Then they finished her off by flattening her head with a concrete block.

Do you still want to call them warm, loving and wonderful?
Yeah, I've head and seen lots of these types of "pick and choose" pics and videos. I still believe in my heart that African Americans as a people are misrepresented and stereotyped. I know far too many folks who are as I described to think otherwise.

I could find stories of scary individual white folks with no problem. However, going way back when Europeans invaded Africa, it can be said that an organized, vicious system of capitalism and colonialism puts white folks way ahead in the overall not so nice and not so spiritual category.
Thanks for being honest and admitting that you're an abhorrent piece of shit racist scumbag.
Insults do not offend me, nor do they change my mind.
Are you intelligent enough to comprehend the fact that you just outed yourself as a racist? Or not?
 

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