Americas Rape Culture

[Unkotare]

That's bullshit. False accusations DO happen.

A lot.

And plenty of women ARE raped and don't report it.

So you agree, false accusations do happen, a lot. Good.

Old Lady was saying the opposite. Thinking which, if not challenged, leads to the presumption of guilt on the man, and thus many innocent lives destroyed.

It used to be that the women were presumed liars, and had consented. There is also the gray area of subtance abuse.

Which has what to do with today?

Why did you bring that up?

It has to do with my contention that the field is NOT unfairly in the woman's accuser's court. If someone lies under oath and makes a false accusation of rape there should be consequences.

What do you think of date rape, Correll?

Are you propositioning him?

 

[Correll]

And plenty of women ARE raped and don't report it.

So you agree, false accusations do happen, a lot. Good.

Old Lady was saying the opposite. Thinking which, if not challenged, leads to the presumption of guilt on the man, and thus many innocent lives destroyed.

It used to be that the women were presumed liars, and had consented. There is also the gray area of subtance abuse.

Which has what to do with today?

Why did you bring that up?

It has to do with my contention that the field is NOT unfairly in the woman's accuser's court. If someone lies under oath and makes a false accusation of rape there should be consequences.

What do you think of date rape, Correll?

Are you propositioning him?

As come ons go, that one would be fairly creepy.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

OK. Men aren't in rut all the bloody time, now it's the internet to blame for feeding inherent male lust? Cheap cameras on cell phones and the lack of compassion, technology has gotten ahead of morality. same thing with terrorist, if you think about it.

Terrorists.....

I'd be happy to introduce my wife to a couple of them.

She is getting damn good with my Remington.

 

[PK1]

... plenty of trials are just His Word vs Her word.

---
Highly unlikely.
A trial needs more than words to not waste public funds.

However, my daughter only needs her words to activate my revenge response.

.

 

[Tilly]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

OK. Men aren't in rut all the bloody time, now it's the internet to blame for feeding inherent male lust? Cheap cameras on cell phones and the lack of compassion, technology has gotten ahead of morality. same thing with terrorist, if you think about it.

Terrorists.....

I'd be happy to introduce my wife to a couple of them.

She is getting damn good with my Remington.

Shaving them won't help

 

[Tilly]

... plenty of trials are just His Word vs Her word.

---
Highly unlikely.
A trial needs more than words to not waste public funds.

However, my daughter only needs her words to activate my revenge response.

.

And what does your revenge response entail?

 

[PK1]

... plenty of trials are just His Word vs Her word.

---
Highly unlikely.
A trial needs more than words to not waste public funds.
However, my daughter only needs her words to activate my revenge response.

.

And what does your revenge response entail?

---
Depends on my daughter's oral "evidence". All cases vary, but in all my daughter's cases, after pronouncing them guilty, i throw my "book" at her boyfriends.
.

 

[frigidweirdo]

In the old days, when a guy got drunk and slept with someone and had regrets, it was chalked up to a learning experience. The same was true for a girl.

Now, if a girl gets drunk and has regrets, it's called rape.


I remember watching an episode of Cheers recently with my son where Carla sleeps with a semi-regular at the bar, but can't remember who she took home. I had to warn my son that today, the guy will get blamed for rape, because today, it doesn't matter if they are both drunk, the guy is the villain if they are both drunk.

Men have no rights anymore, they are always the villain. It's interesting how everything has become political.

"Cheers" It's Lonely on the Top (TV Episode 1993) - Plot Summary - IMDb

Then again in the past if a man raped a women, well.... it was just considered sex and the woman had to deal with it.

I agree with you, but we aren't talking about rape here.


The feminist culture is redefining the terms.

What we are talking about is girls going to parties, getting drunk, and sleeping with guys. In the morning, they feel shame about what they did, and when the guy they like doesn't call them back or want to have anything to do with them, they turn around and call it rape because they are hurt.

In some instances, yes, it is forced sex, but in many others, it is murky at best. Neither the guy or girl can actually remember what happened. So you tell me, who can be blamed? Can anyone?

All I am saying is, if the girl was drunk, there IS NO RAPE. If she was binge drinking and partying so hard, and the guy she was with was doing the same thing, then neither can be held criminally liable for anything.

If they can be, why can't the man say he was raped?

It's like folks don't remember college, have never been, or went to a lame school.

We're not talking about rape? Er... the thread title is about rape.

However I understand what you're saying about people making stuff up. But then again rape is always a hard one to deal with. How do you find a balance of encouraging people to report the crime, but discourage those who weren't raped from not reporting the crime?

What was being said was essentially that it was better when men raped and got away with it, than now where women could potentially use it as a weapon.

Do we give men the license to rape? Do we give women the license to cry wolf?

 

[MisterBeale]

In the old days, when a guy got drunk and slept with someone and had regrets, it was chalked up to a learning experience. The same was true for a girl.

Now, if a girl gets drunk and has regrets, it's called rape.


I remember watching an episode of Cheers recently with my son where Carla sleeps with a semi-regular at the bar, but can't remember who she took home. I had to warn my son that today, the guy will get blamed for rape, because today, it doesn't matter if they are both drunk, the guy is the villain if they are both drunk.

Men have no rights anymore, they are always the villain. It's interesting how everything has become political.

"Cheers" It's Lonely on the Top (TV Episode 1993) - Plot Summary - IMDb

Then again in the past if a man raped a women, well.... it was just considered sex and the woman had to deal with it.

I agree with you, but we aren't talking about rape here.


The feminist culture is redefining the terms.

What we are talking about is girls going to parties, getting drunk, and sleeping with guys. In the morning, they feel shame about what they did, and when the guy they like doesn't call them back or want to have anything to do with them, they turn around and call it rape because they are hurt.

In some instances, yes, it is forced sex, but in many others, it is murky at best. Neither the guy or girl can actually remember what happened. So you tell me, who can be blamed? Can anyone?

All I am saying is, if the girl was drunk, there IS NO RAPE. If she was binge drinking and partying so hard, and the guy she was with was doing the same thing, then neither can be held criminally liable for anything.

If they can be, why can't the man say he was raped?

It's like folks don't remember college, have never been, or went to a lame school.

We're not talking about rape? Er... the thread title is about rape.

However I understand what you're saying about people making stuff up. But then again rape is always a hard one to deal with. How do you find a balance of encouraging people to report the crime, but discourage those who weren't raped from not reporting the crime?

What was being said was essentially that it was better when men raped and got away with it, than now where women could potentially use it as a weapon.

Do we give men the license to rape? Do we give women the license to cry wolf?

No, what we do is tell young people to have some common sense, decency and morality.

We tell them to use their heads and roll back the sexual mores of the late sixties and seventies that told them that sex is a toy and a game of pleasure to be used and abused at parties. All one needs to do is watch prime time TV or listen to the Top forty music to get a clue as to what is going on about these mixed messages they are receiving. Popular culture and their peer group tell them one thing; the family, polite society and faith tell them another. Is it any wonder young ladies feel regret about their behavior when they feel they have crossed the line? It is easier to blame others for what they feel are their personal failings, than to pin it on individual desires.

Hell, junior high school kids don't even think giving each other oral sex is even sex anymore because of the MSM culture. If this is the message we are sending them, is it any wonder that they act like drunken debauched Romans having an orgy in college on weekends, treating their bodies like an amusement park? If that is the attitude they are going to adopt, it is time to quit coddling them; it is time to stop having one code of ethics at night time on the weekends, and another Monday morning.

Sending mixed messages about what society expects is what is leading to this problem.



If we do these things, then we will know.

When a woman is sober, and she is attacked and raped, we will know.

If the man and the woman both know what went on, and the witnesses to their "date" both know that they were not binge drinking, folks will know what was a crime of dominance, and what was a drunken night out on the town of both genders looking to get their kicks.

 

[Dhara]

And plenty of women ARE raped and don't report it.

So you agree, false accusations do happen, a lot. Good.

Old Lady was saying the opposite. Thinking which, if not challenged, leads to the presumption of guilt on the man, and thus many innocent lives destroyed.

It used to be that the women were presumed liars, and had consented. There is also the gray area of subtance abuse.

Which has what to do with today?

Why did you bring that up?

It has to do with my contention that the field is NOT unfairly in the woman's accuser's court. If someone lies under oath and makes a false accusation of rape there should be consequences.

What do you think of date rape, Correll?

Are you propositioning him?

Your mind is in the toliet. Consider yourself no longer read.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Three Illegal Aliens Face Deportation For Allegedly Raping Three Girls Under 14-Yrs-Old Three Illegal Aliens Face Deportation For Allegedly Raping Three Girls Under 14-Yrs-Old

 

[Dhara]

This thread is illuminating. Sexist attitudes still prevail and blaming aliens misses the point. What do you think is going to help women report rape and stop perpetrators? Excusing the racist? Blaming "aliens". There is nothing more "alien" to humanity than rape.

 

[frigidweirdo]

In the old days, when a guy got drunk and slept with someone and had regrets, it was chalked up to a learning experience. The same was true for a girl.

Now, if a girl gets drunk and has regrets, it's called rape.


I remember watching an episode of Cheers recently with my son where Carla sleeps with a semi-regular at the bar, but can't remember who she took home. I had to warn my son that today, the guy will get blamed for rape, because today, it doesn't matter if they are both drunk, the guy is the villain if they are both drunk.

Men have no rights anymore, they are always the villain. It's interesting how everything has become political.

"Cheers" It's Lonely on the Top (TV Episode 1993) - Plot Summary - IMDb

Then again in the past if a man raped a women, well.... it was just considered sex and the woman had to deal with it.

I agree with you, but we aren't talking about rape here.


The feminist culture is redefining the terms.

What we are talking about is girls going to parties, getting drunk, and sleeping with guys. In the morning, they feel shame about what they did, and when the guy they like doesn't call them back or want to have anything to do with them, they turn around and call it rape because they are hurt.

In some instances, yes, it is forced sex, but in many others, it is murky at best. Neither the guy or girl can actually remember what happened. So you tell me, who can be blamed? Can anyone?

All I am saying is, if the girl was drunk, there IS NO RAPE. If she was binge drinking and partying so hard, and the guy she was with was doing the same thing, then neither can be held criminally liable for anything.

If they can be, why can't the man say he was raped?

It's like folks don't remember college, have never been, or went to a lame school.

We're not talking about rape? Er... the thread title is about rape.

However I understand what you're saying about people making stuff up. But then again rape is always a hard one to deal with. How do you find a balance of encouraging people to report the crime, but discourage those who weren't raped from not reporting the crime?

What was being said was essentially that it was better when men raped and got away with it, than now where women could potentially use it as a weapon.

Do we give men the license to rape? Do we give women the license to cry wolf?

No, what we do is tell young people to have some common sense, decency and morality.

We tell them to use their heads and roll back the sexual mores of the late sixties and seventies that told them that sex is a toy and a game of pleasure to be used and abused at parties. All one needs to do is watch prime time TV or listen to the Top forty music to get a clue as to what is going on about these mixed messages they are receiving. Popular culture and their peer group tell them one thing; the family, polite society and faith tell them another. Is it any wonder young ladies feel regret about their behavior when they feel they have crossed the line? It is easier to blame others for what they feel are their personal failings, than to pin it on individual desires.

Hell, junior high school kids don't even think giving each other oral sex is even sex anymore because of the MSM culture. If this is the message we are sending them, is it any wonder that they act like drunken debauched Romans having an orgy in college on weekends, treating their bodies like an amusement park? If that is the attitude they are going to adopt, it is time to quit coddling them; it is time to stop having one code of ethics at night time on the weekends, and another Monday morning.

Sending mixed messages about what society expects is what is leading to this problem.



If we do these things, then we will know.

When a woman is sober, and she is attacked and raped, we will know.

If the man and the woman both know what went on, and the witnesses to their "date" both know that they were not binge drinking, folks will know what was a crime of dominance, and what was a drunken night out on the town of both genders looking to get their kicks.

Oh, and telling them to be good old chaps will make them good old chaps, won't it? No, it won't.

You do realize that abstinence only programs are the worst form of preventing sex, don't you?

However I partially agree with you. Yes, we need to instill something into kids. The problem is any time you try and do this the right shout "indoctrination".

Any mention of sex in school before the age of 89 and the right are going crazy that this will corrupt the kids. However the reality is that it works the other way. Kids don't have sex because they've been taught how to be safe, however they do have sex sex when they have sex if they've been taught (up to a certain point, kids will be like adults, stupid, when it suits them).

However you also seem to be calling for a time that won't exist again. Going back to a conservative time. It won't happen, there's no point in trying to go there. You have to deal with what exists. Repression of sex won't work. Education will work much better.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

There's more rape in the UK than here buckwheat. I suggest you concern yourself with your own backyard.

Well the data suggests otherwise. However as I have stated earlier in the thread the stats cannot give a true picture because of the variations in the way the data is collected and classified. Until that happens I suppose you can continue to take a pride in your domestic rape stats.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

There's more rape in the UK than here buckwheat. I suggest you concern yourself with your own backyard.

Well the data suggests otherwise. However as I have stated earlier in the thread the stats cannot give a true picture because of the variations in the way the data is collected and classified. Until that happens I suppose you can continue to take a pride in your domestic rape stats.

Wrong again, Slick.

Nobody is taking pride in domestic rape stats.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

There's more rape in the UK than here buckwheat. I suggest you concern yourself with your own backyard.

Well the data suggests otherwise. However as I have stated earlier in the thread the stats cannot give a true picture because of the variations in the way the data is collected and classified. Until that happens I suppose you can continue to take a pride in your domestic rape stats.

Wrong again, Slick.

Nobody is taking pride in domestic rape stats.

Perhaps not. Lots of deflection going on in this thread though.

 

[martybegan]

I think rape is a problem the world over and has been since the dawn of time. I just think its odd that,on this board at least, there is an obsession with some supposed islamic rape culture whilst overlooking the American culture of rape.
Its not a trait of any religion,its a trait of monsters.

You're wasting your time trying to make that point to them, though. I've tried.
In answer to your OP: being a woman, I guess I might not know the real reason, but from a woman's perspective, rape is prevalent because we tolerate the "raging hormones" theory that men canNOT keep it in their pants and control their behavior from age 13 to 23. So if a woman tries to draw the line after some snuggling and petting and that is not respected, she shrugs and says oh well. A lot of campus rapes also take place at pretty wild parties, and some young ladies are loathe to make public that they were there, drunk as skunks.. Another huge problem is that in court, the woman is always painted as a slut just asking for it. And in some cases, a woman is too private to report it. Therefore, the general forgiveness for men's behavior continues.
It's interesting that you seem to be saying Englishmen don't have that problem with self control?

So basically we have to treat all women as potential victims, without the ability to knowingly get into situations where they might have drunken hookup sex?

Rape is Rape. Rape is not regret after drunken sex after a party bender.

Is that what I said? Lack of consent includes too stewed to stop someone. Why would you want to have sex with someone in that condition, anyway? And no means no. If she says it, stop. How is that making it a situation where the man is treated unfairly?

What is happening in these cases for the most part isn't "no means no" situations. Its post coital regret.

When actual rape can be proven, the cops come in, and the guy is arrested. What is happening is drunken hookup sex, or girls who were led along to think the guy was serious later regret what they did, and someone convinces them they were raped, or at least assaulted, even if the sex was consensual (or at least mutual) at the time.

So if both parties are drunk, the guy is at fault if the woman later says she didn't want to have sex, even though at the time she was a willing participant?

Where are you getting this information from, Marty?

From the multiple lawsuits being filed (and won/settled) by guys who were guilty of nothing more than a drunken hookup, or casual sex that the woman later regretted.

Check this website's due process section for examples.

FIRE - Defending individual rights in higher education.

 

[Correll]

... plenty of trials are just His Word vs Her word.

---
Highly unlikely.
A trial needs more than words to not waste public funds.

However, my daughter only needs her words to activate my revenge response.

.

That just doesn't match what I hear from people in Law Enforcement.

Here, I went looking for support for what I have heard about lack of evidence.

This study was about murders, but the system is the same.

The case against evidence


"But Baskin and Sommers say that forensic evidence, while compelling, isn’t nearly as important to a murder case as other factors. Analyzing 400 murder cases committed in 2003 in California’s Los Angeles County, Indianapolis, and three smaller Indiana cities, the researchers found that cases were more likely to end up in court if witnesses came forward or if the victim and the suspect knew each other. Such factors made cases easier to solve and, apparently, easier to prosecute, according to the research, while, on the other hand, forensic evidence was “not a significant factor.”

 

[westwall]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

There's more rape in the UK than here buckwheat. I suggest you concern yourself with your own backyard.

Well the data suggests otherwise. However as I have stated earlier in the thread the stats cannot give a true picture because of the variations in the way the data is collected and classified. Until that happens I suppose you can continue to take a pride in your domestic rape stats.

You mean the falsified data that the British police have been shoving up your backside for years? That data? You're a blind, ignorant, fool.

 

[MisterBeale]

In the old days, when a guy got drunk and slept with someone and had regrets, it was chalked up to a learning experience. The same was true for a girl.

Now, if a girl gets drunk and has regrets, it's called rape.


I remember watching an episode of Cheers recently with my son where Carla sleeps with a semi-regular at the bar, but can't remember who she took home. I had to warn my son that today, the guy will get blamed for rape, because today, it doesn't matter if they are both drunk, the guy is the villain if they are both drunk.

Men have no rights anymore, they are always the villain. It's interesting how everything has become political.

"Cheers" It's Lonely on the Top (TV Episode 1993) - Plot Summary - IMDb

Then again in the past if a man raped a women, well.... it was just considered sex and the woman had to deal with it.

I agree with you, but we aren't talking about rape here.


The feminist culture is redefining the terms.

What we are talking about is girls going to parties, getting drunk, and sleeping with guys. In the morning, they feel shame about what they did, and when the guy they like doesn't call them back or want to have anything to do with them, they turn around and call it rape because they are hurt.

In some instances, yes, it is forced sex, but in many others, it is murky at best. Neither the guy or girl can actually remember what happened. So you tell me, who can be blamed? Can anyone?

All I am saying is, if the girl was drunk, there IS NO RAPE. If she was binge drinking and partying so hard, and the guy she was with was doing the same thing, then neither can be held criminally liable for anything.

If they can be, why can't the man say he was raped?

It's like folks don't remember college, have never been, or went to a lame school.

We're not talking about rape? Er... the thread title is about rape.

However I understand what you're saying about people making stuff up. But then again rape is always a hard one to deal with. How do you find a balance of encouraging people to report the crime, but discourage those who weren't raped from not reporting the crime?

What was being said was essentially that it was better when men raped and got away with it, than now where women could potentially use it as a weapon.

Do we give men the license to rape? Do we give women the license to cry wolf?

No, what we do is tell young people to have some common sense, decency and morality.

We tell them to use their heads and roll back the sexual mores of the late sixties and seventies that told them that sex is a toy and a game of pleasure to be used and abused at parties. All one needs to do is watch prime time TV or listen to the Top forty music to get a clue as to what is going on about these mixed messages they are receiving. Popular culture and their peer group tell them one thing; the family, polite society and faith tell them another. Is it any wonder young ladies feel regret about their behavior when they feel they have crossed the line? It is easier to blame others for what they feel are their personal failings, than to pin it on individual desires.

Hell, junior high school kids don't even think giving each other oral sex is even sex anymore because of the MSM culture. If this is the message we are sending them, is it any wonder that they act like drunken debauched Romans having an orgy in college on weekends, treating their bodies like an amusement park? If that is the attitude they are going to adopt, it is time to quit coddling them; it is time to stop having one code of ethics at night time on the weekends, and another Monday morning.

Sending mixed messages about what society expects is what is leading to this problem.



If we do these things, then we will know.

When a woman is sober, and she is attacked and raped, we will know.

If the man and the woman both know what went on, and the witnesses to their "date" both know that they were not binge drinking, folks will know what was a crime of dominance, and what was a drunken night out on the town of both genders looking to get their kicks.

Oh, and telling them to be good old chaps will make them good old chaps, won't it? No, it won't.

You do realize that abstinence only programs are the worst form of preventing sex, don't you?

However I partially agree with you. Yes, we need to instill something into kids. The problem is any time you try and do this the right shout "indoctrination".

Any mention of sex in school before the age of 89 and the right are going crazy that this will corrupt the kids. However the reality is that it works the other way. Kids don't have sex because they've been taught how to be safe, however they do have sex sex when they have sex if they've been taught (up to a certain point, kids will be like adults, stupid, when it suits them).

However you also seem to be calling for a time that won't exist again. Going back to a conservative time. It won't happen, there's no point in trying to go there. You have to deal with what exists. Repression of sex won't work. Education will work much better.

Hey man, I'm just looking at the sociological fact.

If we are going on like we are going, the culture and the civilization is doomed.

Maybe you're right, maybe the genie can't be put back in the bottle. It's all up to the girls now. They can either act like ladies or act like whores.

It's also about what we expect from our music and media. The shit I see in the theaters, on TV and hear on the radio is garbage compared to what I remember as a kid.

I see real parallels to the Roman empire. The decay and rot has set in.