CDZ America’s major political parties don’t have ‘the stomach’ to reform US gun laws

[peacefan]

off for a long-ish smoking break in the depth of the Dutch night, to get my mind's ducks back in a row, now

 

[Ringtone]

Listen up and learn. You were proven to have a completer and utter misunderstanding of the legality of the Declaration of Independence as a force of law. Now, crawl back in your hole and leave the intelligent people to discuss things you obviously know nothing about.

Why are you dissembling, teacher?

I never argued that the Declaration of Independence in and of itself had the force of law in the first place.

It's that on which our nation was founded, it's that to which the Declaration alludes that has the force of law in nature and in the social contract of the Republic. It's the Anglo-American tradition of natural law, which, by the way, is informed by the sociopolitical implications of Judeo-Christianity, that has the force of law, once again, in nature and the Bill of Rights.

Now, crawl back in your hole and leave the intelligent people to discuss things you obviously know nothing about. Also, take that Marxist bitch Ketanji Brown Jackson with you. She denies the emphatically clear language and logic of natural law in the enumeration of the Bill of Rights as well. Like you, she's apparently ignorant of the pertinent passages of the Federalist Papers and of the congressional record of the First Congress' discussion regarding the nature, intent, and enumeration of the Bill of Rights.

She's unfit to be on the Court, just like you're unfit to be anywhere near a classroom.

 

[Ringtone]

Listen up and learn. You were proven to have a completer and utter misunderstanding of the legality of the Declaration of Independence as a force of law. Now, crawl back in your hole and leave the intelligent people to discuss things you obviously know nothing about.

You're not qualified to discuss natural and constitutional law vis-a-vis the imperatives of inalienable rights, teacher. You're a know-nothing loudmouth. I'm the teacher here.

I'm Michael Rawlings, the author of the following:

The Anglo-American Traditon of Natural Law

The Anglo-American Tradition of Natural Law:Its Philosophical and Governing PrinciplesBy Michael Rawlings, Unpublished © November 2021,

www.yumpu.com

 

[peacefan]

okay. 2aguy & all the rest of the US readers here :

(1) in my estimation, gun violence is very low here in Europe, and non-whites are divided into two groups : the peaceful/wise/cowardly, and the quick-to-anger/aggressive/bullies.

(2) there is one argument here that trumps all other arguments in my opinion : having reasonably easy access to guns, especially in predominantly white areas of the USA, protects the US citizens from a real land invasion, like the Alps countries do with their 'military-draft + keep your military gun in your own home' policies.

(3) the Republican viewpoint is (after careful review just now, during my smoking break) far more valid than the Democratic viewpoint. A simplification of gun laws *is* necessary, and a police + military confiscation of guns owned by criminals and the psycho / bullied communities, is also necessary, in my opinion. School shootings are happening far too often in the USA at the moment.

(4) Gun stores need to be closed down in some areas, forcing people to add a long drive (but less than 10 hours for a drive there-and-back) to the price of the guns that they are buying. And the guns that they sell should be non-automatic, low-capacity magazine guns only. Gun training schools, with strict government training curriculums (manuals), need to pop up around the country. And gun stores should be selling hip and shoulder belts that can carry extra magazines. This gives the police more chance to take out (by sniper) some of the psychos that use guns against children or supermarket shoppers.

that's all i got for now, but i'll be monitoring this thread from time to time, more frequently now since i'm back in line with the Republican party's desire to win the election.

i am still opposed to the idea of Taiwan and the South China Sea not being allowed to be taken over by mainland China, and Trump's frankly idiotic idea to start the biggest regional war since WW2 (far larger than the Ukraine stories), over "the stealing of patents" and "the oil drilling rights in the South China Sea".

i am also opposed to Zelensky's idea of regaining all of the lost Ukranian territory, Putin and the Russian military leaders have chosen for a direct land route to his Crimean people and naval base, and i think this is the right choice for the world. an Iran well-fed and armed with just a few nuke ICBMs is no real threat to anyone. They just want to be treated with respect. Zelesnky is the greedy violent western puppet, to control Ukranian wheat and grain production destinations completely, and play a war of attrition against the communist + muslim alliance, which is very much bound to backfire, and puts all of Europe at risk of some very serious violence. I won't have it. My government agrees with me (they recently voted against EU fast track membershipping of Ukraine).

 

[skye]

Even if the Democrats banned all guns, it would not solve the problem because criminals and terrorists and spree shooters are not going to turn in their guns.
The Democrats are targeting the law abiding gun owners, not the criminals.

^^^^^^^^ BINGO!!!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

dumb liars (Admiral?! those are far smarter than you) like you do not get responded to by me at all anymore.

Hey dickhead! My response was to ringtone, not you, but if that shoe fits, wear that bitch!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why are you dissembling, teacher?

I never argued that the Declaration of Independence in and of itself had the force of law in the first place.

It's that on which our nation was founded, it's that to which the Declaration alludes that has the force of law in nature and in the social contract of the Republic. It's the Anglo-American tradition of natural law, which, by the way, is informed by the sociopolitical implications of Judeo-Christianity, that has the force of law, once again, in nature and the Bill of Rights.

Now, crawl back in your hole and leave the intelligent people to discuss things you obviously know nothing about. Also, take that Marxist bitch Ketanji Brown Jackson with you. She denies the emphatically clear language and logic of natural law in the enumeration of the Bill of Rights as well. Like you, she's apparently ignorant of the pertinent passages of the Federalist Papers and of the congressional record of the First Congress' discussion regarding the nature, intent, and enumeration of the Bill of Rights.

She's unfit to be on the Court, just like you're unfit to be anywhere near a classroom.

Fuck you, ringtone! I am not a fucking liberal, but I am educated on this topic and taught it for many years from textbooks that wholly disagree with your reasoning. Now, pipe down and get back on topic you fucking shyster!

 

[skye]

America will never reform gun laws as is regulated in the Constitution! NEVER NEVER NEVER!

America knows what will happen if they do. America will never do it.! Bless America!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

America’s major political parties don’t have ‘the stomach’ to reform US gun laws

The Australian’s Adam Creighton says both of the major parties in America don’t have “the stomach” to reform the United States’ gun laws. “Because 30 per cent of Americans have a gun and 40 per cent of American households have access to a gun and so when you have that many guns in the country … it’s extremely difficult to regulate them,” Mr Creighton told Sky News host Chris Smith. “It’s really insoluble and terrible problem in my view.”

Local : 2022-05-27(Friday) 1114
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i live in a country (The Netherlands) where it's illegal to bring weapons of ANY sort outside your home, or provoke fist-fights even in the slightest.

and we have a very peaceful country thanks to that regulation.

food for thought?

False comparison fallacy – one cannot compare the United States to other Western countries.

What might work in Australia or The Netherlands won’t work in the United States.

Unlike other Western democracies the United States is not a democracy.

Unlike other Western nations the United States has an exceedingly violent culture where violence is a legitimate means of conflict resolution.

And even if there were the political will to enact such measures, they’d never pass Constitutional muster.

The United States will need to find a solution to the problem of gun crime and violence unique to the United States.

 

[Ringtone]

Fuck you, ringtone! I am not a fucking liberal, but I am educated on this topic and taught it for many years from textbooks that wholly disagree with your reasoning. Now, pipe down and get back on topic you fucking shyster!

So you admit that you're ignorant of the relevant cannon regarding the history and philosophy of natural law and republicanism. What subversive texts did you teach from? How many statist bootlicks did you create, indeed, how many did you brainwash over the years into believing that their inherent rights were granted to them by the state?

My God, man!

Just how many vulnerable minds did you set up to accept the claims of Marxism and/or fascism?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

then put your armies in charge of the initial gun confiscation projects.

racism is not a logical argument at all anymore.

My Netherlands is a very diverse country too, especially in our major cities, and we have *no* problem keeping out cities peaceful by means of keeping guns and knives off the streets by means of mere police powers.

Such ‘projects’ would be un-Constitutional.

Again, you need to understand that the United States is not a democracy – no majority rule, no referenda, no will of the people; the states control the government and determine National policy, not the people.

Consequently, the firearm regulatory policies you call for cannot be implemented because the minority has the power to prevent the enactment of those measures.

For example, before the end of this month our Supreme Court will rule to take from women their right to privacy, contrary to the will of the majority of the people.

With the minority in control of most of the states and the courts, what the majority of the people want is irrelevant, your appeal to the American people pointless.

 

[Orangecat]

that US arrogance you display here is one of the major reasons we should develop our own armies all over the EU..

You can't afford a viable military with all the socialism you're funding.

 

[toobfreak]

maybe you need a rigorous simplification of gun ownership laws instead, a modernized set of new laws?

No thanks. I already have the only gun law that really matters.

 

[2aguy]

okay. 2aguy & all the rest of the US readers here :

(1) in my estimation, gun violence is very low here in Europe, and non-whites are divided into two groups : the peaceful/wise/cowardly, and the quick-to-anger/aggressive/bullies.

(2) there is one argument here that trumps all other arguments in my opinion : having reasonably easy access to guns, especially in predominantly white areas of the USA, protects the US citizens from a real land invasion, like the Alps countries do with their 'military-draft + keep your military gun in your own home' policies.

(3) the Republican viewpoint is (after careful review just now, during my smoking break) far more valid than the Democratic viewpoint. A simplification of gun laws *is* necessary, and a police + military confiscation of guns owned by criminals and the psycho / bullied communities, is also necessary, in my opinion. School shootings are happening far too often in the USA at the moment.

(4) Gun stores need to be closed down in some areas, forcing people to add a long drive (but less than 10 hours for a drive there-and-back) to the price of the guns that they are buying. And the guns that they sell should be non-automatic, low-capacity magazine guns only. Gun training schools, with strict government training curriculums (manuals), need to pop up around the country. And gun stores should be selling hip and shoulder belts that can carry extra magazines. This gives the police more chance to take out (by sniper) some of the psychos that use guns against children or supermarket shoppers.

that's all i got for now, but i'll be monitoring this thread from time to time, more frequently now since i'm back in line with the Republican party's desire to win the election.

i am still opposed to the idea of Taiwan and the South China Sea not being allowed to be taken over by mainland China, and Trump's frankly idiotic idea to start the biggest regional war since WW2 (far larger than the Ukraine stories), over "the stealing of patents" and "the oil drilling rights in the South China Sea".

i am also opposed to Zelensky's idea of regaining all of the lost Ukranian territory, Putin and the Russian military leaders have chosen for a direct land route to his Crimean people and naval base, and i think this is the right choice for the world. an Iran well-fed and armed with just a few nuke ICBMs is no real threat to anyone. They just want to be treated with respect. Zelesnky is the greedy violent western puppet, to control Ukranian wheat and grain production destinations completely, and play a war of attrition against the communist + muslim alliance, which is very much bound to backfire, and puts all of Europe at risk of some very serious violence. I won't have it. My government agrees with me (they recently voted against EU fast track membershipping of Ukraine).

(4) Gun stores need to be closed down in some areas, forcing people to add a long drive (but less than 10 hours for a drive there-and-back) to the price of the guns that they are buying. And the guns that they sell should be non-automatic, low-capacity magazine guns only. Gun training schools, with strict government training curriculums (manuals), need to pop up around the country. And gun stores should be selling hip and shoulder belts that can carry extra magazines. This gives the police more chance to take out (by sniper) some of the psychos that use guns against children or supermarket shoppers.


Yeah....no.

 

[2aguy]

False comparison fallacy – one cannot compare the United States to other Western countries.

What might work in Australia or The Netherlands won’t work in the United States.

Unlike other Western democracies the United States is not a democracy.

Unlike other Western nations the United States has an exceedingly violent culture where violence is a legitimate means of conflict resolution.

And even if there were the political will to enact such measures, they’d never pass Constitutional muster.

The United States will need to find a solution to the problem of gun crime and violence unique to the United States.

Unlike other Western nations the United States has an exceedingly violent culture where violence is a legitimate means of conflict resolution.


And that is really one of the most uninformed statements on U.S.messageboard....

The "Western Nations.."

-World War 1

-World war 2

-the Napoleanic Wars

-religious wars

-Persecution of the Irish

-trans-atlantic slave trade

-30 years war

-socialism

-Fascist flavor of socialism (15 million innocents murdered)

-communist flavor of socialism (Close to 200 million innocents murdered around the world)

The Holocaust

-Ethnic cleansing

-Colonialism

-Imperialism

So.......we don't have anything to learn about violence and murder from Europe..

The Western countries have murdered more innocent people than American criminals with guns....ever...........so don't even try to go there....

 

[Open Bolt]

a police + military confiscation of guns owned by criminals and the psycho / bullied communities, is also necessary, in my opinion. School shootings are happening far too often in the USA at the moment.

So your answer to the problem of "bullied people lashing out" is to prevent them from lashing out so they just suffer in silence?

My answer to "bullied people lashing out" is to try to end bullying.

(4) Gun stores need to be closed down in some areas, forcing people to add a long drive (but less than 10 hours for a drive there-and-back) to the price of the guns that they are buying.

Unconstitutional.

And the guns that they sell should be non-automatic, low-capacity magazine guns only.

Also unconstitutional.

People have the right to have enough firepower for effective self defense.

People also have the right to have any weapon that there is no justification for banning.

i am still opposed to the idea of Taiwan and the South China Sea not being allowed to be taken over by mainland China,

Would you be opposed to China being allowed to take over and enslave your own country?

Why are you any better than the Taiwanese people?

and Trump's frankly idiotic idea to start the biggest regional war since WW2 (far larger than the Ukraine stories), over "the stealing of patents" and "the oil drilling rights in the South China Sea".

How is Trump responsible for starting a war when China is the aggressor?

i am also opposed to Zelensky's idea of regaining all of the lost Ukranian territory, Putin and the Russian military leaders have chosen for a direct land route to his Crimean people and naval base, and i think this is the right choice for the world.

Would you be OK with someone stealing territory from your own country?

Would "your country giving up territory" also be the right choice for the world?

an Iran well-fed and armed with just a few nuke ICBMs is no real threat to anyone.

That is incorrect. Iran will increase their terrorism, and will use the threat of nuclear war to prevent people from acting against their terrorism.

They just want to be treated with respect.

That is incorrect. Iran wants to engage in terrorism and use the threat of nuclear war to prevent anyone from stopping their terrorism.

Zelesnky is the greedy violent western puppet,

For defending his country when it is invaded?

to control Ukranian wheat and grain production destinations completely,

It's Ukraine's wheat and grain. Who are you to tell them they are wrong to prevent it from being stolen?

Is OK if someone steals from you?

and play a war of attrition against the communist + muslim alliance,

I don't know what Muslims have to do with this, but Ukraine has every right to defend themselves when they are invaded.

which is very much bound to backfire, and puts all of Europe at risk of some very serious violence. I won't have it.

You don't have any say over whether Ukraine defends themselves when they are invaded.

But I'll keep this in mind if your country is ever invaded and asks us for help with their defense.

My government agrees with me (they recently voted against EU fast track membershipping of Ukraine).

The US should consider defending only central and eastern Europe, and tell Russia that we have no objection to them conquering western Europe.