Americans claim guns make for a safe society

[Captain Caveman]

Penis envy from the UK is so undignified

Well, here's the psychology of guns -

The psychology behind guns is, if you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, then you want to own a gun to give you the feeling of power over other people. Paranoia, anger, and insecurity gives the person social anxiety and owning a gun is a quick and simple solution, but they're the most unsuitable person behind a firearm. It creates a shoot first, ask questions later scenario.

So talking of penises, it looks like you guys are compensating.

 

[westwall]

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Are Red states or Blue states slightly safer, well, safer in American terms?

Red states are far safer. It's the blue cities within them where the crime occurs. And duh, you have less than one third the population of the USA, and you also don't have 11,000,000 illegal aliens from violent third world countries.

You're trying to compare an apple to an elephant.

 

[westwall]

The handgun as a handgun size was banned, if the barrel and/or stock makes the handgun over a certain length, then it's legal.

When it's comes to the words guns + banned in the UK, it relates to features as opposed to guns in general. To apply an analogy that even the dumbest American would hopefully understand is Jet Propulsion cars are banned off the UK roads, but cars are not banned. Can you understand that.

The other thing is, Negotiate To Close. It was a book I read when self training in psychology. Part of it was positions, we need to negotiate from a position. You guys assume my position, that I must defend guns, knives, the word banned etc.. You are sadly mistaken, All I I can give you are facts. Petty arguments and trying to feel aloof is important to you guys, I get it. Ego and vanity is your culture. In the UK to conceal a small gun in public, let alone having any gun in public is irresponsible, stupid, and that person is dangerous and not suitable to own a gun. Once that sinks in with Americans, deaths by gun will plummet through the flaw, and once you get killing out of your system, knife deaths will fall too.

And correct, guns and knives don't kill, it's and unhealthy gun/knife culture that kills, the person. So you vet the person and ban unsuitable features of the gun/knife.

But personally, I didn't ban any gun or any feature. If you think carrying handguns and guns in general in public is a good idea (concealed or open carry), stats show you're a raving lunatic.

And I didn't ban jet propulsion cars either, but I can see why they're not safe on public roads.

That's not entirely true. No one gets a gun without a police permit and they won't give those out to anyone but the wealthy for the most part.

So there is the word salad of "no guns are banned" but the reality is good luck obtaining a permit.

 

[westwall]

Well, here's the psychology of guns -

The psychology behind guns is, if you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, then you want to own a gun to give you the feeling of power over other people. Paranoia, anger, and insecurity gives the person social anxiety and owning a gun is a quick and simple solution, but they're the most unsuitable person behind a firearm. It creates a shoot first, ask questions later scenario.

So talking of penises, it looks like you guys are compensating.

What a load of hogwash.

 

[Mac-7]

Well, here's the psychology of guns -

The psychology behind guns is, if you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, then you want to own a gun to give you the feeling of power over other people. Paranoia, anger, and insecurity gives the person social anxiety and owning a gun is a quick and simple solution, but they're the most unsuitable person behind a firearm. It creates a shoot first, ask questions later scenario.

So talking of penises, it looks like you guys are compensating.

If I am threatened by a person or persons who want to do me harm a firearm is a great eeualizer

 

[progressive hunter]

Deflection is no good. What happened to the gun nut fallacy that guns makes American society safe? The facts/stats state otherwise. Why aren't guns working?

youre the only one I see saying that,,

what they do is if youre a good guy and smart enough to have one you can defend yourself and kill the mother fucker intent on doing you harm,,

the hard part is if youre a bad guy with a gun and there are no good guys with guns bad shit happens,,

similar to what you guys wanted back in 1775 when you came to take our guns and we told you no and kicked you fucking asses and sent you home with your tail between you legs,,


so the moral of the story is try to take our guns and we kill you,,

 

[Missourian]

The handgun as a handgun size was banned, if the barrel and/or stock makes the handgun over a certain length, then it's legal.

When it's comes to the words guns + banned in the UK, it relates to features as opposed to guns in general. To apply an analogy that even the dumbest American would hopefully understand is Jet Propulsion cars are banned off the UK roads, but cars are not banned. Can you understand that.

The other thing is, Negotiate To Close. It was a book I read when self training in psychology. Part of it was positions, we need to negotiate from a position. You guys assume my position, that I must defend guns, knives, the word banned etc.. You are sadly mistaken, All I I can give you are facts. Petty arguments and trying to feel aloof is important to you guys, I get it. Ego and vanity is your culture. In the UK to conceal a small gun in public, let alone having any gun in public is irresponsible, stupid, and that person is dangerous and not suitable to own a gun. Once that sinks in with Americans, deaths by gun will plummet through the flaw, and once you get killing out of your system, knife deaths will fall too.

And correct, guns and knives don't kill, it's and unhealthy gun/knife culture that kills, the person. So you vet the person and ban unsuitable features of the gun/knife.

But personally, I didn't ban any gun or any feature. If you think carrying handguns and guns in general in public is a good idea (concealed or open carry), stats show you're a raving lunatic.

And I didn't ban jet propulsion cars either, but I can see why they're not safe on public roads.

So you saying you didn't do much and THAT'S why your murder rate only went down nominally?

You're all over that place man.

Allow me to explain the scientific method to you.

It does nothing useful to compare our murder rate to yours.

What you need to do is compare your pre-handgun ban murder rate to your murder rate after you made the changes.

And when you look at that...after the changes, you murder rate actual increased for almost a decade then in went down a little, then came back to 1990 pre-ban levels.


This is where it is useful to compare to a control.

The US began EXPANDING gun rights in 2000...and OUR murder rate ALSO dipped to about half of it's previous level all the way up until the pandemic, where there was an uptick not only in the US, but worldwide.

There is nothing conclusive in that data that had you done nothing or even expanded gun rights, the same result would have been achieved.

We can ALSO look at the suicide rate...which was already in decline pre-ban...was also barely reduced after 1997...it's virtually a straight line.

 

[Stryder50]

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Are Red states or Blue states slightly safer, well, safer in American terms?

You need to mention the source of this "chart" for it to be valid "evidence" in this discussion.

 

[Stryder50]

Well, here's the psychology of guns -

The psychology behind guns is, if you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, then you want to own a gun to give you the feeling of power over other people. Paranoia, anger, and insecurity gives the person social anxiety and owning a gun is a quick and simple solution, but they're the most unsuitable person behind a firearm. It creates a shoot first, ask questions later scenario.

So talking of penises, it looks like you guys are compensating.

1. Without showing source of this "statement" it remains an invalid opinion, possible fabrication.
2. Most law abiding citizens who are also gun owners are aware of the legal and civil law consequences of that "shoot first, ask questions later" fallacy. Only criminals and idiots believe and operate per such. Which are you? Both?

 

[Stryder50]

That's not entirely true. No one gets a gun without a police permit and they won't give those out to anyone but the wealthy for the most part.

So there is the word salad of "no guns are banned" but the reality is good luck obtaining a permit.

Those permits require a significant fee and are only valid for a few years, then need to be renewed.
Also such are part of registering gun, which is an essential condition that aids tyrannies when they want to confiscate firearms

 

[Captain Caveman]

youre the only one I see saying that,,

what they do is if youre a good guy

so the moral of the story is try to take our guns and we kill you,,

I've already mentioned clichés, grow up.

Listen thick fuck, in the UK, no one takes your guns. It is up to you. Your police record, your medical record, your referees, and your family and you being interviewed. If you fuck up any of that, you can't own a gun. It is that simple. It's no one else's fault, no one is taking guns, it's up to you to show you're the good guy. In the UK, YOU are classed as unsuitable to own a gun. You are dangerous and unsuitable because you want a gun to shoot others. This good guy bad guy shite you all parrot fashion is fucking nonsense. Stop shooting folk you bellend. The more guns you have, and the more deranged nutters like you that own them, 21,000 in 2021 gets killed. That's why you have to parrot fashion fallacies.

That's why the UK is vastly safer than the USA because it stops idiots like you owning a gun, the adults here enjoy owning and using them. That's why you don't want sensible gun system because you know you would fail it. It's as obvious as that

 

[progressive hunter]

I've already mentioned clichés, grow up.

Listen thick fuck, in the UK, no one takes your guns. It is up to you. Your police record, your medical record, your referees, and your family and you being interviewed. If you fuck up any of that, you can't own a gun. It is that simple. It's no one else's fault, no one is taking guns, it's up to you to show you're the good guy. In the UK, YOU are classed as unsuitable to own a gun. You are dangerous and unsuitable because you want a gun to shoot others. This good guy bad guy shite you all parrot fashion is fucking nonsense. Stop shooting folk you bellend. The more guns you have, and the more deranged nutters like you that own them, 21,000 in 2021 gets killed. That's why you have to parrot fashion fallacies.

That's why the UK is vastly safer than the USA because it stops idiots like you owning a gun, the adults here enjoy owning and using them. That's why you don't want sensible gun system because you know you would fail it. It's as obvious as that

not looking so safe from where I sit,,

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[progressive hunter]

I've already mentioned clichés, grow up.

Listen thick fuck, in the UK, no one takes your guns. It is up to you. Your police record, your medical record, your referees, and your family and you being interviewed. If you fuck up any of that, you can't own a gun. It is that simple. It's no one else's fault, no one is taking guns, it's up to you to show you're the good guy. In the UK, YOU are classed as unsuitable to own a gun. You are dangerous and unsuitable because you want a gun to shoot others. This good guy bad guy shite you all parrot fashion is fucking nonsense. Stop shooting folk you bellend. The more guns you have, and the more deranged nutters like you that own them, 21,000 in 2021 gets killed. That's why you have to parrot fashion fallacies.

That's why the UK is vastly safer than the USA because it stops idiots like you owning a gun, the adults here enjoy owning and using them. That's why you don't want sensible gun system because you know you would fail it. It's as obvious as that

Rise in UK knife attacks leads to a crackdown and stokes public anxiety

Although the number of fatal stabbings has mostly held steady over the past 10 years, headline-grabbing attacks and an overall rise in knife crime have stoked anxieties.

apnews.com

 

[Captain Caveman]

So you saying you didn't do much and THAT'S why your murder rate only went down nominally?

You're all over that place man.

Allow me to explain the scientific method to you.

It does nothing useful to compare our murder rate to yours.

What you need to do is compare your pre-handgun ban murder rate to your murder rate after you made the changes.

And when you look at that...after the changes, you murder rate actual increased for almost a decade then in went down a little, then came back to 1990 pre-ban levels.


This is where it is useful to compare to a control.

The US began EXPANDING gun rights in 2000...and OUR murder rate ALSO dipped to about half of it's previous level all the way up until the pandemic, where there was an uptick not only in the US, but worldwide.

There is nothing conclusive in that data that had you done nothing or even expanded gun rights, the same result would have been achieved.

The UK and most countries are vastly safer than America. The fallacy you guys peddle is, "More guns,l increase safety".

When someone commits suicide, it's all too often that it's just them killed. You're suicide by gin stats are through the roof. Your innocents shot is through the roof too.

 

[progressive hunter]

The UK and most countries are vastly safer than America. The fallacy you guys peddle is, "More guns,l increase safety".

When someone commits suicide, it's all too often that it's just them killed. You're suicide by gin stats are through the roof. Your innocents shot is through the roof too.

safer is a matter of perspective,,

your government runs your lives like youre retarded children,,

and you crime is off the charts,,

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What do you find as false? Guns to guns, or knives to knives, or guns to knives?

One cannot compare the United States to other Western democracies – hence the fallacy.

This issue isn’t guns or their availability – it’s the culture of violence tightly woven into the fabric of American society.

In the United States violence is accepted as a legitimate means of conflict resolution; the United States is the only Western democracy that still practices the death penalty, for example.

Absent such an acceptance and codification of violence, the availability and possession of guns is rendered moot.

 

[Invisibleflash]

UK - In 2021 Gun homicides was 35

USA - In 2021 Gun homicides was 21,000

In the UK, 0.08 per 100,000 are killed by knives

In the USA, 0.6 per 100,000 are killed by knives

So clearly guns have the opposite effect.

Ignorant commie...you leave out all the people whose lives are saved by guns in the USA. With freedom there is always abuse.

With no guns, Clan 13 would roam unrestrained to rape, pillage and kill. No thanks!

 

[Captain Caveman]

Ignorant commie...you leave out all the people whose lives are saved by guns in the USA. With freedom there is always abuse.

With no guns, Clan 13 would roam unrestrained to rape, pillage and kill. No thanks!

What, like minus 21,000. what a dumb fascist.

 

[Captain Caveman]

One cannot compare the United States to other Western democracies – hence the fallacy.

This issue isn’t guns or their availability – it’s the culture of violence tightly woven into the fabric of American society.

In the United States violence is accepted as a legitimate means of conflict resolution; the United States is the only Western democracy that still practices the death penalty, for example.

Absent such an acceptance and codification of violence, the availability and possession of guns is rendered moot.

You compare per capita.

 

[Captain Caveman]

safer is a matter of perspective,,

your government runs your lives like youre retarded children,,

and you crime is off the charts,,

The thread is about you retards and your fallacy, "Guns make society safer". It's clear it has the opposite effect.

The day the 2ndA is scrapped will be the day America can sort it's gun mess out.