Americans claim guns make for a safe society

[Missourian]

It looks like your overall homicide rate has barely changed at all...

And it continues to climb for YEARS after handguns were banned.

So what the fuck are you bragging about?

Homicide rate chart UK...


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U.K. Murder/Homicide Rate 1990-2025 | MacroTrends

Intentional homicides are estimates of unlawful homicides purposely inflicted as a result of domestic disputes, interpersonal violence, violent conflicts over land resources, intergang violence over turf or control, and predatory violence and killing by armed groups. Intentional homicide does...

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Now let's look at the US overall homicide rate.

U.S. Murder/Homicide Rate 1990-2024

Intentional homicides are estimates of unlawful homicides purposely inflicted as a result of domestic disputes, interpersonal violence, violent conflicts over land resources, intergang violence over turf or control, and predatory violence and killing by armed groups. Intentional homicide does...

www.macrotrends.net

We cut ours in half as well...which is about the best you guys did...and we didn't ban guns to do it.

In fact we EXPANDED gun rights to 28 states permit less Constitution Carry.

So again...what are you bragging about.

Yes...we have a more homicides...but we ALWAYS had more homicides.

And if we banned guns tomorrow...likely the same amount of murders would occur...just using a different implement...like, say a sharp, pointy knife...or a bat...or a club...or a rock, just like Cain did it.

 

[westwall]

It looks like your overall homicide rate has barely changed at all...

And it continues to climb for YEARS after handguns were banned.

So what the fuck are you bragging about?

Homicide rate chart UK...


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U.K. Murder/Homicide Rate 1990-2025 | MacroTrends

Intentional homicides are estimates of unlawful homicides purposely inflicted as a result of domestic disputes, interpersonal violence, violent conflicts over land resources, intergang violence over turf or control, and predatory violence and killing by armed groups. Intentional homicide does...

www.macrotrends.net

The Caveman has a limited ability to think for himself.

He's a subject you know, not a citizen.

 

[Stryder50]

Didn't you ban handguns in 1997?

Yup!
They did;

When did the UK ban guns and what are the laws on gun ownership?​

Mar 29, 2023When were guns banned in the UK? Handguns were banned in the UK in 1997 following the 1996 Dunblane school shooting, which killed 16 children and their teacher. A man named Thomas Hamilton invaded ...

And;

UK Gun Laws - How Strict is Gun Control in the UK? - Politics.co.uk​

Gun control measures in the UK involve a blanket ban on machine guns and machine gun sales. The cost of a five year shotgun licence in the UK is £79.50. In December 2021, the government updated its requirements in terms of which medical conditions must be disclosed during the licensing process.

And;

Firearms regulation in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia​

In the United Kingdom, access by the general public to firearms is subject to strict control measures. Members of the public may own rifles and shotguns, however, they must be properly licensed.Most handguns have been banned in Great Britain since the Dunblane school massacre in 1996. Handguns

 

[Stryder50]

But your Muslims knocked down two towers killing thousands. Did you forget?

They weren't ours.
They were temporary "visitors" - students.

They used blade weapons to gain control of those airliners.

 

[Stryder50]

Interestingly;
UK ~ USA

Total crimes per 1000

109.96 Ranked 4th. 3 times more than United States

41.29 Ranked 22nd.

United Kingdom vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

 

[Captain Caveman]

guns are dangerous and just like every other thing thats dangerous shit happens,,,

you guys learned that the hard way in 1776,, 1812..1916,,1940, and so on,,

dont make us teach you again,,

Deflection is no good. What happened to the gun nut fallacy that guns makes American society safe? The facts/stats state otherwise. Why aren't guns working?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Didn't you ban handguns in 1997?

Here's a video on UK law -

 

[DudleySmith]

UK - In 2021 Gun homicides was 35

USA - In 2021 Gun homicides was 21,000

In the UK, 0.08 per 100,000 are killed by knives

In the USA, 0.6 per 100,000 are killed by knives

So clearly guns have the opposite effect.

So, who does the UK share border with? And, what is the UK's black population, is it the same as the U.S.'s?

The UK is over 80% white, less than 4% black. What is the crime rate for whites in the U.S.? Exclude the latino population form the white stats.

 

[DudleySmith]

Deflection is no good. What happened to the gun nut fallacy that guns makes American society safe? The facts/stats state otherwise. Why aren't guns working?

Actually stats show private gun ownership by honest citizens do work, several hundred thousand times a year.

 

[Captain Caveman]

On an average day in America, more than 130 people are killed by guns and even more injured.

America has by far, the highest gun violence in the developed world.

So what happened to the idea guns makes for safer environment?

 

[Captain Caveman]

So, who does the UK share border with? And, what is the UK's black population, is it the same as the U.S.'s?

The UK is over 80% white, less than 4% black. What is the crime rate for whites in the U.S.? Exclude the latino population form the white stats.

If you divide 21,000 by 35 and then multiply it by 6.5 million, that's what the population would need to be in the UK to get to your stats.

 

[westwall]

On an average day in America, more than 130 people are killed by guns and even more injured.

America has by far, the highest gun violence in the developed world.

So what happened to the idea guns makes for safer environment?

Yup. Overwhelmingly black on black gang violence.

It takes a special kind of stupid to punish the law abiding for the actions of a tiny minority of criminals.

Hello stupid

 

[westwall]

If you divide 21,000 by 35 and then multiply it by 6.5 million, that's what the population would need to be in the UK to get to your stats.

Yeah? Remove the 10 cities controlled by democrats and our violence rate is miles below yours.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Now let's look at the US overall homicide rate.

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U.S. Murder/Homicide Rate 1990-2024

Intentional homicides are estimates of unlawful homicides purposely inflicted as a result of domestic disputes, interpersonal violence, violent conflicts over land resources, intergang violence over turf or control, and predatory violence and killing by armed groups. Intentional homicide does...

www.macrotrends.net

We cut ours in half as well...which is about the best you guys did...and we didn't ban guns to do it.

In fact we EXPANDED gun rights to 28 states permit less Constitution Carry.

So again...what are you bragging about.

Yes...we have a more homicides...but we ALWAYS had more homicides.

And if we banned guns tomorrow...likely the same amount of murders would occur...just using a different implement...like, say a sharp, pointy knife...or a bat...or a club...or a rock, just like Cain did it.

Let's look at the UK -

Ours is total per year!!

35/365 is nearly 0.1 per day

21,000/365 is just over 57.5 per day.

UK population 66.5m

USA population 326.7m or 6.9 times more than the UK. Divide 57.5 by 6.9 then divide that by 0.1 and times by 100. Per er the same population, you are 11,510% above the UK.

Can you see why guns are the problem?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Are Red states or Blue states slightly safer, well, safer in American terms?

 

[DudleySmith]

On an average day in America, more than 130 people are killed by guns and even more injured.

America has by far, the highest gun violence in the developed world.

So what happened to the idea guns makes for safer environment?

The UK reports 1,200 violent crimes per 100,000.

We have open borders, with a failed narco state with a very high murder rate, for one; there is no 'gun control' possible in the first place. And like I said, the white non-hispanic population has a violent crime rate smaller than a lot of Europe has.

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Are Red states or Blue states slightly safer, well, safer in American terms?

The whitest states are the safest for white people, and they tend to be red states west of New York, yes. the only exceptions are New England, which have few blacks and latinos.

Crimes rates in states that are over 80% white, as is the case with the UK, have very low gun crime rates.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Didn't you ban handguns in 1997?

The handgun as a handgun size was banned, if the barrel and/or stock makes the handgun over a certain length, then it's legal.

When it's comes to the words guns + banned in the UK, it relates to features as opposed to guns in general. To apply an analogy that even the dumbest American would hopefully understand is Jet Propulsion cars are banned off the UK roads, but cars are not banned. Can you understand that.

The other thing is, Negotiate To Close. It was a book I read when self training in psychology. Part of it was positions, we need to negotiate from a position. You guys assume my position, that I must defend guns, knives, the word banned etc.. You are sadly mistaken, All I I can give you are facts. Petty arguments and trying to feel aloof is important to you guys, I get it. Ego and vanity is your culture. In the UK to conceal a small gun in public, let alone having any gun in public is irresponsible, stupid, and that person is dangerous and not suitable to own a gun. Once that sinks in with Americans, deaths by gun will plummet through the flaw, and once you get killing out of your system, knife deaths will fall too.

And correct, guns and knives don't kill, it's and unhealthy gun/knife culture that kills, the person. So you vet the person and ban unsuitable features of the gun/knife.

But personally, I didn't ban any gun or any feature. If you think carrying handguns and guns in general in public is a good idea (concealed or open carry), stats show you're a raving lunatic.

And I didn't ban jet propulsion cars either, but I can see why they're not safe on public roads.

 

[Captain Caveman]

How fortunate for you that your asylum request was turned down

See post #37 on who has filled up the asylums.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The UK reports 1,200 violent crimes per 100,000.

We have open borders, with a failed narco state with a very high murder rate, for one; there is no 'gun control' possible in the first place. And like I said, the white non-hispanic population has a violent crime rate smaller than a lot of Europe has.

Please don't do butchered quotes.

If you went by your logic and took out immigrants, blacks, pikeys etc.. out of the UK, the 35 deaths in 2021could have been what? 1 or 2 or 3 maybe. The overall American premise is, more guns makes for a safer society, stats do not agree whatsoever, it shows it as a lie.

 

[Mac-7]

See post #37 on who has filled up the asylums.

Penis envy from the UK is so undignified