Americans are more dissatisfied than citizens of other nations with their basic healt

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Americans are more dissatisfied than citizens of other nations with their basic health care (search) even while paying more of their own money for treatment, a five-nation survey released Thursday notes.

The study shows that people in the U.S. face longer wait times to see doctors and have more trouble getting care on evenings or weekends than do people in other industrialized countries. At the same time, Americans were more likely to receive advice on disease prevention and self-care than others.

One-third of Americans told pollsters that the U.S. health care system should be completely rebuilt, far more than residents of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, or the U.K. Just 16 percent of Americans said that the U.S. health care system needs only minor changes, the lowest number expressing approval among the countries surveyed.

“In no country is the majority of adults satisfied,” says Cathy Schoen, a vice president at the Commonwealth Fund (search), a nonprofit group that conducted surveys of some 7,000 patients in the five countries.

FOXNews.com - U.S. Trails Others in Health Care Satisfaction - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News

The U.S. is the only industrialized country that does not offer government-sponsored health coverage for all citizens. Proponents of market-driven health care often point to long wait times for services in other countries when warning of the dangers of a government-run system.

Sixty percent of patients in New Zealand told researchers that they were able to get a same-day appointment with a doctor when sick, nearly double the 33 percent of Americans who got such speedy care. Only Canada scored lower, with 27 percent saying they could get same-day attention. Americans were also the most likely to have difficulty getting care on nights, weekends, or holidays without going to an emergency room.

Four in 10 U.S. adults told researchers that they had gone without needed care because of the cost, including skipping prescriptions, avoiding going to the doctor, or skipping a recommended test or treatment.

Meanwhile, 26 percent of Americans surveyed said that they had faced more than $1,000 in out-of-pocket health care costs in the last year, compared with 14 percent of Australians, and 4 percent of Britons.

“The U.S. stands out as the patients the most exposed to medical bills,” Schoen says.

A Silver Lining in American Health Care

The results seemed to discourage American officials, though they say they were heartened by other figures showing that U.S. patients were the most likely to receive several forms of preventive care, including Pap smear tests.

Eighty-six percent of American women respondents between 50 and 64 years of age said they got a mammogram (search) in the past three years, six points higher than in Australia and nine higher than in the U.K.

“We’ll take good news where we can get it,” says Carolyn M. Clancy, MD, director of the U.S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality. “The other findings are clearly of concern,” she says.

Clancy stresses that government officials have been actively pushing programs to promote preventive medicine, pointing to the Medicare reforms passed last year that will add preventive care and chronic disease management to the program’s list of paid services for seniors.

Though their countries generally outperformed the U.S., officials from the survey’s other nations also acknowledged it as proof that their government must do more to promote primary health care and better medical information technology.

John Hutton, a British Member of Parliament and the Minister of State for Health, says, “When they tell us a message, I think we should listen to it.”
 
I'm always surprised by the number of health-related ads on tv in the States when I'm there. I'm also surprised - but I shouldn't be - by the knowledge about medical issues and in particular various treatments that the average American (friends/relations of mine, I don't go around chatting to cabbies about medicinal drugs :lol:). That tells me that Americans are better informed on the issues, than people are in my country, for example. Here we have government issuing a lot of health information, in particular through GPs. Pharmaceutical companies sponsor ads in the various media of course but not to the extent I've seen in the US.
 
Neubarth, don't be fooled by FOXNews's liberal propaganda. Countries with SOCIALIZED medicine are communist dungeons, where you are forced to go to a disgruntled, unpaid slave doctor, and don't get treatment after 10 years in waiting lines. Not only that- it's a lie that the US spends around three times more on health care as a percentage of GDP than other industrialized countries. In countries with SOCIALIZED medicine, health care cripples the economy! It's a fact! Anything against the market is bankrupt.

I mean, all of this is obvious. That is why in America EVERYONE is in favour of the current system, while everyone in Europe wants to get rid of their SOCIALIZED medicine. Just look it up. People in Europe, Japan, Australia, etc. are DEMANDING that their government stop shoving that health care up their ass. (Am I right?! Am I right?!)

I'm trying to get that done in Costa Rica too. We have to demolish the Social Security Fund, because it is a communist institution that stifles the market! But people here are very uneducated and would pretty much execute a government that tried to do that. Common people are so stupid and lazy. How can they demand their government use resources for health?
 
America has great healthcare. If you are rich.

Otherwise, you're screwed.
 
Neubarth, don't be fooled by FOXNews's liberal propaganda. Countries with SOCIALIZED medicine are communist dungeons, where you are forced to go to a disgruntled, unpaid slave doctor, and don't get treatment after 10 years in waiting lines. Not only that- it's a lie that the US spends around three times more on health care as a percentage of GDP than other industrialized countries. In countries with SOCIALIZED medicine, health care cripples the economy! It's a fact! Anything against the market is bankrupt.

I mean, all of this is obvious. That is why in America EVERYONE is in favour of the current system, while everyone in Europe wants to get rid of their SOCIALIZED medicine. Just look it up. People in Europe, Japan, Australia, etc. are DEMANDING that their government stop shoving that health care up their ass. (Am I right?! Am I right?!)

I'm trying to get that done in Costa Rica too. We have to demolish the Social Security Fund, because it is a communist institution that stifles the market! But people here are very uneducated and would pretty much execute a government that tried to do that. Common people are so stupid and lazy. How can they demand their government use resources for health?

Okay, gotta address this, if doctors are so underpaid in socialized health care systems then why are they flocking from the US to Canada?
 
Here's a hint, doctors ONLY get paid if people go to them. As long as people can't afford the fees they have to charge they won't go to the doctors, so ultimately the docs lose more money if nothing is done.Socialized medicine helps get more people into the doctor but also is a certain paycheck for the docs even if they don't go. Charging 4,000 for a visit with only (let's underestimate this because of a lack of actual figures) about 5 visits a year that's 20,000 a year, but no one can afford to go enough to barely make that. At only 400 a visit you may need 50 visits a year but since more people can go then more people will be willing to go for even common problems, thus that 50 visits a year is not only obtainable but will be more likely to be exceeded. It's simple logic that many in the US have forgotten. Increasing the cost of something limits those who can access it exponentially in even the best economies.
 
Kitten, you might wish to add insurance rates, insurance treatment intrusion and legal liability to your list.
 
Our current system cannot continue and socialized or for the politically sensitize liberals, nationalized healthcare is overkill and too much government control. IMO, based on actual accounts from professionals both here and in Europe the best answer is in the middle, learning from the mistakes of both.
 
Ahh, Kitty, Kitty, Kitty... I was being sarcastic. But I don't blame you for thinking I wasn't. Some people really think that way, I guess.

(EDIT: I figured starting off by saying "Don't trust FOXNews' liberal propaganda" would've been a good hint :p)
 
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Ahh, Kitty, Kitty, Kitty... I was being sarcastic. But I don't blame you for thinking I wasn't. Some people really think that way, I guess.

(EDIT: I figured starting off by saying "Don't trust FOXNews' liberal propaganda" would've been a good hint :p)

Sorry, I admit it, I am dense at times.
 
Our current system cannot continue and socialized or for the politically sensitize liberals, nationalized healthcare is overkill and too much government control. IMO, based on actual accounts from professionals both here and in Europe the best answer is in the middle, learning from the mistakes of both.

True, complete control by the government can make it worse as well. A new system yes, but neither extreme will work, at least not here. Regulated would be best, just keep the costs affordable somehow, hopefully without giving the government too much control though. The problem again (as with most in the US) people are looking for an extreme black and white answer, while the world is not black and white.
 
The study shows that people in the U.S. face longer wait times to see doctors and have more trouble getting care on evenings or weekends than do people in other industrialized countries.

Rather puts the lie to the complaints we hear all the time about how people in nations with nationalized health care are all flocking to america to buy our overpriced health care, doesn't it?

I'd like to see the metrics on this though.
 
True, complete control by the government can make it worse as well. A new system yes, but neither extreme will work, at least not here. Regulated would be best, just keep the costs affordable somehow, hopefully without giving the government too much control though. The problem again (as with most in the US) people are looking for an extreme black and white answer, while the world is not black and white.

Every other Western democracy in the world has a single payer healthcare system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare and cover everyone. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma.

Read the article at this link....

Mythbusting Canadian Health Care -- Part I | OurFuture.org
 
Neubarth, don't be fooled by FOXNews's liberal propaganda. Countries with SOCIALIZED medicine are communist dungeons, where you are forced to go to a disgruntled, unpaid slave doctor, and don't get treatment after 10 years in waiting lines. Not only that- it's a lie that the US spends around three times more on health care as a percentage of GDP than other industrialized countries. In countries with SOCIALIZED medicine, health care cripples the economy! It's a fact! Anything against the market is bankrupt.

I mean, all of this is obvious. That is why in America EVERYONE is in favour of the current system, while everyone in Europe wants to get rid of their SOCIALIZED medicine. Just look it up. People in Europe, Japan, Australia, etc. are DEMANDING that their government stop shoving that health care up their ass. (Am I right?! Am I right?!)

I'm trying to get that done in Costa Rica too. We have to demolish the Social Security Fund, because it is a communist institution that stifles the market! But people here are very uneducated and would pretty much execute a government that tried to do that. Common people are so stupid and lazy. How can they demand their government use resources for health?

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Wonderfully put.
 
Sixty percent of patients in New Zealand told researchers that they were able to get a same-day appointment with a doctor when sick, nearly double the 33 percent of Americans who got such speedy care. Only Canada scored lower, with 27 percent saying they could get same-day attention. Americans were also the most likely to have difficulty getting care on nights, weekends, or holidays without going to an emergency room.

Four in 10 U.S. adults told researchers that they had gone without needed care because of the cost, including skipping prescriptions, avoiding going to the doctor, or skipping a recommended test or treatment.

Meanwhile, 26 percent of Americans surveyed said that they had faced more than $1,000 in out-of-pocket health care costs in the last year, compared with 14 percent of Australians, and 4 percent of Britons.

Oh hell yeah, getting a same day appointment can be impossible, even if one is fortunate enough to have health insurance.

Our healthcare is the most expensive and cost inefficient on the planet? Color me not shocked.

That said, I believe in unregulated, free market solutions. The government has no business subsidizing healthcare. If the free market were released from any kind of regulation and oversight, people would have more choices. In short, I believe in personal responsibility, and people should buy health insurance out of their own pockets. Or, look for a job where the employer provides it at a price they can afford.

Old people, kids, and people with pre-exisiting health conditions? Again, I believe in personal responsibility. Fat kids and old people should get off the couch and exercise more. Pre-existing condition? To bad, you shouldn't have chosen to smoke or eat trans-fatty foods.
 
Oh hell yeah, getting a same day appointment can be impossible, even if one is fortunate enough to have health insurance.

Our healthcare is the most expensive and cost inefficient on the planet? Color me not shocked.

That said, I believe in unregulated, free market solutions. The government has no business subsidizing healthcare. If the free market were released from any kind of regulation and oversight, people would have more choices. In short, I believe in personal responsibility, and people should buy health insurance out of their own pockets. Or, look for a job where the employer provides it at a price they can afford.

Old people, kids, and people with pre-exisiting health conditions? Again, I believe in personal responsibility. Fat kids and old people should get off the couch and exercise more. Pre-existing condition? To bad, you shouldn't have chosen to smoke or eat trans-fatty foods.

You are missing the point. We already have universal healthcare, just a really, really bad version of it. Everyone can be treated in the emergency room. We don't let people bleed to death on the street here. Not yet, anyway. So the rich get great healthcare, and the poor get no healthcare until they are at death's door. Does that sound like a good way to run a society? No, it doesn't. The ironic thing is that every other Western democracy has a single payer system, and the pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma. There are inherent cost savings with a single payer system. The Germans have had one since 1886!

With a single payer system you would still pick your doctor, and your doctor would still own his practice. There would just be one insurance company and that would be the government.

Mythbusting Canadian Health Care -- Part I | OurFuture.org
 
I'm always surprised by the number of health-related ads on tv in the States when I'm there. I'm also surprised - but I shouldn't be - by the knowledge about medical issues and in particular various treatments that the average American (friends/relations of mine, I don't go around chatting to cabbies about medicinal drugs :lol:). That tells me that Americans are better informed on the issues, than people are in my country, for example. Here we have government issuing a lot of health information, in particular through GPs. Pharmaceutical companies sponsor ads in the various media of course but not to the extent I've seen in the US.

Not only that, but Americans are more likely to view healthcare as a discretionary spending-related luxury item than people in other countries, although for some odd reason, when we discuss it in a political light, many people tend to revert to thinking they're talking only about necessary minimum care. :eusa_eh:

The more prosperous a nation is and the more money its people have for discretionary spending, the more likely they are to spend it on quality-of-life healthcare, such as Viagra, medical weight loss, plastic surgery, dermatology, etc. And because our population is both prosperous and aging, overall medical spending goes up exponentially. Older people especially like to spend their extra money on quality-of-life healthcare. This is why I keep saying that high national spending for healthcare is not always a bad thing, and you have to look at where the numbers are actually coming from.
 

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