American Culture - Godless With No Moral Principles

[Moonglow]

Is this true? We no longer believe in right versus wrong. Or good versus evil?

Why?

Is it the lack of unified families? Of fathers and mothers raising their children with shared values? Is it the tirade of atheist propaganda overwhelming our classrooms and media?

This articles says a lot but I can't really put a finger on where it is going or what it wants to report. Check it our for yourselves @ American culture has been transformed into a godless culture with no moral principles

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

Do you always spam the thread with double postings?

 

[BULLDOG]

Is this true? We no longer believe in right versus wrong. Or good versus evil?

Why?

Is it the lack of unified families? Of fathers and mothers raising their children with shared values? Is it the tirade of atheist propaganda overwhelming our classrooms and media?

This articles says a lot but I can't really put a finger on where it is going or what it wants to report. Check it our for yourselves @ American culture has been transformed into a godless culture with no moral principles

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

I agree completely!! That Godless way of living has been advocated for a long time!! Just look at the devil worship they engaged in!!!!!

Acts 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things in common.

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

 

[ding]

Is this true? We no longer believe in right versus wrong. Or good versus evil?

Why?

Is it the lack of unified families? Of fathers and mothers raising their children with shared values? Is it the tirade of atheist propaganda overwhelming our classrooms and media?

This articles says a lot but I can't really put a finger on where it is going or what it wants to report. Check it our for yourselves @ American culture has been transformed into a godless culture with no moral principles

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

Do you always spam the thread with double postings?

Just that one. You want to see it again?

 

[ding]

Is this true? We no longer believe in right versus wrong. Or good versus evil?

Why?

Is it the lack of unified families? Of fathers and mothers raising their children with shared values? Is it the tirade of atheist propaganda overwhelming our classrooms and media?

This articles says a lot but I can't really put a finger on where it is going or what it wants to report. Check it our for yourselves @ American culture has been transformed into a godless culture with no moral principles

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

I agree completely!! That Godless way of living has been advocated for a long time!! Just look at the devil worship they engaged in!!!!!

Acts 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things in common.

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

We got rid of the heretics because they didn't understand that either.

 

[AZGAL]

I think this thread is encouraging a discussion about the Lord of The Flies style news stories in the USA. re: youth violence...

 

[BULLDOG]

Is this true? We no longer believe in right versus wrong. Or good versus evil?

Why?

Is it the lack of unified families? Of fathers and mothers raising their children with shared values? Is it the tirade of atheist propaganda overwhelming our classrooms and media?

This articles says a lot but I can't really put a finger on where it is going or what it wants to report. Check it our for yourselves @ American culture has been transformed into a godless culture with no moral principles

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

I agree completely!! That Godless way of living has been advocated for a long time!! Just look at the devil worship they engaged in!!!!!

Acts 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things in common.

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

We got rid of the heretics because they didn't understand that either.

So why don't you explain how

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things in common.
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

doesn't mean exactly what it says? Don't worry. God promised he would show you what to say.

 

[alang1216]

God's morality is not absolute, it is a refection [sic] of the culture at the time. As cultures change, morality changes so there is always a shared knowledge of right and wrong, it just evolves. A generation ago, being gay in this country was a crime, now it is generally accepted.

That's not “God's morality” changing. That is society degenerating, rejecting God's wisdom in favor of Man's folly. Homosexual behavior always has been immoral, and always will be immoral. God's morality has not changed, and there is no reason to expect that it will. Those who rebel against it will one day stand before Him, and be held to answer for it.

You really believe that I'm sure but the morality of the OT appears to me to be very different from that of the NT:

Deuteronomy 22:22 - If a man is found lying with a married woman, then both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; thus you shall purge the evil from Israel.…

Luke 6:37 - Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

 

[alang1216]

Is this true? We no longer believe in right versus wrong. Or good versus evil?

Why?

Is it the lack of unified families? Of fathers and mothers raising their children with shared values? Is it the tirade of atheist propaganda overwhelming our classrooms and media?

This articles says a lot but I can't really put a finger on where it is going or what it wants to report. Check it our for yourselves @ American culture has been transformed into a godless culture with no moral principles

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

Quite a collection of straw men you have there. Maybe socialists are just true Christians:

All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
(Acts 2:44-45)

There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. There was a Levite, a native of Cyprus, Joseph, to whom the apostles gave the name Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”). He sold a field that belonged to him, then brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
(Acts 4:34-37)​

 

[hobelim]

God's morality is not absolute, it is a refection [sic] of the culture at the time. As cultures change, morality changes so there is always a shared knowledge of right and wrong, it just evolves. A generation ago, being gay in this country was a crime, now it is generally accepted.

That's not “God's morality” changing. That is society degenerating, rejecting God's wisdom in favor of Man's folly. Homosexual behavior always has been immoral, and always will be immoral. God's morality has not changed, and there is no reason to expect that it will. Those who rebel against it will one day stand before Him, and be held to answer for it.

You really believe that I'm sure but the morality of the OT appears to me to be very different from that of the NT:

Deuteronomy 22:22 - If a man is found lying with a married woman, then both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; thus you shall purge the evil from Israel.…

Luke 6:37 - Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Yes the morality is very different as it would be based on the different interpretations that Jesus verses everyone else at the time had of the exact same laws which bound them to different responses to the exact same situations..

When Jesus asked 'he who is without sin cast the first stone" he wasn't asking them if they were guilty of just any sin but the exact same sin that they wanted to execute the woman for because according to his revelation and teaching about the deeper implications hidden in divine law they were all guilty of adultery.

That is why they all walked away acknowledging the hypocrisy of condemning anyone else and understanding that forgiveness is the only right course to take..

 

[alang1216]

God's morality is not absolute, it is a refection [sic] of the culture at the time. As cultures change, morality changes so there is always a shared knowledge of right and wrong, it just evolves. A generation ago, being gay in this country was a crime, now it is generally accepted.

That's not “God's morality” changing. That is society degenerating, rejecting God's wisdom in favor of Man's folly. Homosexual behavior always has been immoral, and always will be immoral. God's morality has not changed, and there is no reason to expect that it will. Those who rebel against it will one day stand before Him, and be held to answer for it.

You really believe that I'm sure but the morality of the OT appears to me to be very different from that of the NT:

Deuteronomy 22:22 - If a man is found lying with a married woman, then both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; thus you shall purge the evil from Israel.…

Luke 6:37 - Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Yes the morality is very different as it would be based on the different interpretations that Jesus verses everyone else at the time had of the exact same laws which bound them to different responses to the exact same situations..

When Jesus asked 'he who is without sin cast the first stone" he wasn't asking them if they were guilty of just any sin but the exact same sin that they wanted to execute the woman for because according to his revelation and teaching about the deeper implications hidden in divine law they were all guilty of adultery.

That is why they all walked away acknowledging the hypocrisy of condemning anyone else and understanding that forgiveness is the only right course to take..

I always appreciate it when people tell me to ignore what the Bible says since they know what it means.

Still seems to me there are fundamental difference in morality between the OT and NT. In the OT you could be punished for sins you didn't commit. The NT judgement is much more personal.

 

[badger2]

Apollon W., A Lasting Heresy, in Jacques Lacan, Politics, Aesthetics (1996).

 

[BreezeWood]

'he who is without sin cast the first stone"

so injustice is all that prevails ...

4th century forgery without a doubt considering in their contrived religion no such creature exists there would be no knowledge by anyone of good or evil for any judgement or morals to exist for all of humanity.

 

[hobelim]

God's morality is not absolute, it is a refection [sic] of the culture at the time. As cultures change, morality changes so there is always a shared knowledge of right and wrong, it just evolves. A generation ago, being gay in this country was a crime, now it is generally accepted.

That's not “God's morality” changing. That is society degenerating, rejecting God's wisdom in favor of Man's folly. Homosexual behavior always has been immoral, and always will be immoral. God's morality has not changed, and there is no reason to expect that it will. Those who rebel against it will one day stand before Him, and be held to answer for it.

You really believe that I'm sure but the morality of the OT appears to me to be very different from that of the NT:

Deuteronomy 22:22 - If a man is found lying with a married woman, then both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; thus you shall purge the evil from Israel.…

Luke 6:37 - Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Yes the morality is very different as it would be based on the different interpretations that Jesus verses everyone else at the time had of the exact same laws which bound them to different responses to the exact same situations..

When Jesus asked 'he who is without sin cast the first stone" he wasn't asking them if they were guilty of just any sin but the exact same sin that they wanted to execute the woman for because according to his revelation and teaching about the deeper implications hidden in divine law they were all guilty of adultery.

That is why they all walked away acknowledging the hypocrisy of condemning anyone else and understanding that forgiveness is the only right course to take..

I always appreciate it when people tell me to ignore what the Bible says since they know what it means.

Still seems to me there are fundamental difference in morality between the OT and NT. In the OT you could be punished for sins you didn't commit. The NT judgement is much more personal.

I always like it when someone reads what I wrote and doesn't have the slightest inkling what its about.

I said that their morality was different because Jesus taught a different way to understand and comply with divine law that was lost to time after the death of Moses and the people turned aside from the way he taught to follow, exactly as it says so in the Bible.

Its not about a personal judgment, its about righteous judgment..

 

[ding]

Is this true? We no longer believe in right versus wrong. Or good versus evil?

Why?

Is it the lack of unified families? Of fathers and mothers raising their children with shared values? Is it the tirade of atheist propaganda overwhelming our classrooms and media?

This articles says a lot but I can't really put a finger on where it is going or what it wants to report. Check it our for yourselves @ American culture has been transformed into a godless culture with no moral principles

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

Quite a collection of straw men you have there. Maybe socialists are just true Christians:

All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
(Acts 2:44-45)

There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. There was a Levite, a native of Cyprus, Joseph, to whom the apostles gave the name Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”). He sold a field that belonged to him, then brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
(Acts 4:34-37)​

While the ideology of socialism is sharply defined, the occurrence of socialism can hardly be linked to any definite time or civilization. If we consider the period in the history of mankind which followed the rise of the state as an institution, we find the manifestations of socialism, practically speaking, in all epochs and in all civilizations. It is possible, however, to identify epochs when socialist ideology manifests itself with particular intensity. This is usually at a turning point in history, a crisis such as the period of the Reformation or our own age. We could simply note that socialist states arise only in definite historical situations, or we could attempt to explain why it was that the socialist ideology appeared in virtually finished and complete form in Plato's time. But in European history, we cannot point to a single period when socialist teachings were not extant in one form or another. It seems that socialism is a constant factor in human history, at least in the period following the rise of the state. Without attempting to evaluate it for the time being, we must recognize socialism as one of the most powerful and universal forces active in a field where history is played out.

Shafarevich points out with great precision both the cause and the genesis of the first socialist doctrines, which he characterizes as reactions: Plato as a reaction to Greek culture, and the Gnostics as a reaction to Christianity. They sought to counteract the endeavor of the human spirit to stand erect, and strove to return to the earthbound existence of the primitive states of antiquity. The author also convincingly demonstrates the diametrical opposition between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and "God-like" aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity.

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

 

[alang1216]

God's morality is not absolute, it is a refection [sic] of the culture at the time. As cultures change, morality changes so there is always a shared knowledge of right and wrong, it just evolves. A generation ago, being gay in this country was a crime, now it is generally accepted.

That's not “God's morality” changing. That is society degenerating, rejecting God's wisdom in favor of Man's folly. Homosexual behavior always has been immoral, and always will be immoral. God's morality has not changed, and there is no reason to expect that it will. Those who rebel against it will one day stand before Him, and be held to answer for it.

You really believe that I'm sure but the morality of the OT appears to me to be very different from that of the NT:

Deuteronomy 22:22 - If a man is found lying with a married woman, then both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; thus you shall purge the evil from Israel.…

Luke 6:37 - Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Yes the morality is very different as it would be based on the different interpretations that Jesus verses everyone else at the time had of the exact same laws which bound them to different responses to the exact same situations..

When Jesus asked 'he who is without sin cast the first stone" he wasn't asking them if they were guilty of just any sin but the exact same sin that they wanted to execute the woman for because according to his revelation and teaching about the deeper implications hidden in divine law they were all guilty of adultery.

That is why they all walked away acknowledging the hypocrisy of condemning anyone else and understanding that forgiveness is the only right course to take..

I always appreciate it when people tell me to ignore what the Bible says since they know what it means.

Still seems to me there are fundamental difference in morality between the OT and NT. In the OT you could be punished for sins you didn't commit. The NT judgement is much more personal.

I always like it when someone reads what I wrote and doesn't have the slightest inkling what its about.

I said that their morality was different because Jesus taught a different way to understand and comply with divine law that was lost to time after the death of Moses and the people turned aside from the way he taught to follow, exactly as it says so in the Bible.

Its not about a personal judgment, its about righteous judgment..

So the law of Moses is the same as the law of Jesus? What was the role of the Jewish prophets if they weren't able to keep the law on track and prevent people from being turned aside?

 

[hobelim]

So the law of Moses is the same as the law of Jesus?

Jesus taught the only right way to understand and comply with divine law that fulfills the promise of eternal life, the same exact way that Moses originally taught to follow that had been lost to time for a thousand years before Jesus was even born.

What was the role of the Jewish prophets if they weren't able to keep the law on track and prevent people from being turned aside?

The role of the prophets was to remind people about the truths that they had rejected until the messiah came.

It was not their function as servants who didn't know what their master was about to reveal the mysteries of God. Even when Jesus came and made the hidden meaning and purpose of divine law abundantly clear, many still made evil a deliberate choice.

 

[alang1216]

Is this true? We no longer believe in right versus wrong. Or good versus evil?

Why?

Is it the lack of unified families? Of fathers and mothers raising their children with shared values? Is it the tirade of atheist propaganda overwhelming our classrooms and media?

This articles says a lot but I can't really put a finger on where it is going or what it wants to report. Check it our for yourselves @ American culture has been transformed into a godless culture with no moral principles

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

Quite a collection of straw men you have there. Maybe socialists are just true Christians:

All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
(Acts 2:44-45)

There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. There was a Levite, a native of Cyprus, Joseph, to whom the apostles gave the name Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”). He sold a field that belonged to him, then brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
(Acts 4:34-37)​

While the ideology of socialism is sharply defined, the occurrence of socialism can hardly be linked to any definite time or civilization. If we consider the period in the history of mankind which followed the rise of the state as an institution, we find the manifestations of socialism, practically speaking, in all epochs and in all civilizations. It is possible, however, to identify epochs when socialist ideology manifests itself with particular intensity. This is usually at a turning point in history, a crisis such as the period of the Reformation or our own age. We could simply note that socialist states arise only in definite historical situations, or we could attempt to explain why it was that the socialist ideology appeared in virtually finished and complete form in Plato's time. But in European history, we cannot point to a single period when socialist teachings were not extant in one form or another. It seems that socialism is a constant factor in human history, at least in the period following the rise of the state. Without attempting to evaluate it for the time being, we must recognize socialism as one of the most powerful and universal forces active in a field where history is played out.

Shafarevich points out with great precision both the cause and the genesis of the first socialist doctrines, which he characterizes as reactions: Plato as a reaction to Greek culture, and the Gnostics as a reaction to Christianity. They sought to counteract the endeavor of the human spirit to stand erect, and strove to return to the earthbound existence of the primitive states of antiquity. The author also convincingly demonstrates the diametrical opposition between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and "God-like" aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity.

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

Crap and crap. Neither of us agree with Shafarevich's crap and Solzhenitsyn was in his own reality.

I agree with you that "There is no formal defined dogma of socialism..." far more than I do with Shafarevich, "While the ideology of socialism is sharply defined...".

 

[alang1216]

Jesus taught the only right way to understand and comply with divine law that fulfills the promise of eternal life, the same exact way that Moses originally taught to follow that had been lost to time for a thousand years before Jesus was born.

Were the 5 books of Moses corrupted over time or were the peoples understanding of how to follow them corrupted? I don't recall Moses ever talking about eternal life? Why the change in focus?

(I don't think Jesus ever talked about eternal life either, those words were added later by others. I think both Moses and Jesus were only concerned with this life and how to be right with God. But that is just me.)

The role of the prophets was to remind people about the truths that they had rejected until the messiah came.

So God sent Moses knowing his work would be corrupted so he then sent prophets knowing they'd be ignored. Not much of a plan when you think about it?

 

[ding]

Is this true? We no longer believe in right versus wrong. Or good versus evil?

Why?

Is it the lack of unified families? Of fathers and mothers raising their children with shared values? Is it the tirade of atheist propaganda overwhelming our classrooms and media?

This articles says a lot but I can't really put a finger on where it is going or what it wants to report. Check it our for yourselves @ American culture has been transformed into a godless culture with no moral principles

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

Quite a collection of straw men you have there. Maybe socialists are just true Christians:

All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
(Acts 2:44-45)

There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. There was a Levite, a native of Cyprus, Joseph, to whom the apostles gave the name Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”). He sold a field that belonged to him, then brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
(Acts 4:34-37)​

While the ideology of socialism is sharply defined, the occurrence of socialism can hardly be linked to any definite time or civilization. If we consider the period in the history of mankind which followed the rise of the state as an institution, we find the manifestations of socialism, practically speaking, in all epochs and in all civilizations. It is possible, however, to identify epochs when socialist ideology manifests itself with particular intensity. This is usually at a turning point in history, a crisis such as the period of the Reformation or our own age. We could simply note that socialist states arise only in definite historical situations, or we could attempt to explain why it was that the socialist ideology appeared in virtually finished and complete form in Plato's time. But in European history, we cannot point to a single period when socialist teachings were not extant in one form or another. It seems that socialism is a constant factor in human history, at least in the period following the rise of the state. Without attempting to evaluate it for the time being, we must recognize socialism as one of the most powerful and universal forces active in a field where history is played out.

Shafarevich points out with great precision both the cause and the genesis of the first socialist doctrines, which he characterizes as reactions: Plato as a reaction to Greek culture, and the Gnostics as a reaction to Christianity. They sought to counteract the endeavor of the human spirit to stand erect, and strove to return to the earthbound existence of the primitive states of antiquity. The author also convincingly demonstrates the diametrical opposition between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and "God-like" aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity.

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

Crap and crap. Neither of us agree with Shafarevich's crap and Solzhenitsyn was in his own reality.

I agree with you that "There is no formal defined dogma of socialism..." far more than I do with Shafarevich, "While the ideology of socialism is sharply defined...".

It was sharply defined by Shafarevich. Socialism prefers to hide its ideology.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus taught the only right way to understand and comply with divine law that fulfills the promise of eternal life, the same exact way that Moses originally taught to follow that had been lost to time for a thousand years before Jesus was born.

Were the 5 books of Moses corrupted over time or were the peoples understanding of how to follow them corrupted? I don't recall Moses ever talking about eternal life? Why the change in focus?

(I don't think Jesus ever talked about eternal life either, those words were added later by others. I think both Moses and Jesus were only concerned with this life and how to be right with God. But that is just me.)

The peoples understanding of the law was corrupted over time, accordingly the books were embellished over a thousand year period reflecting the contemporary concerns of unknown editors..

Moses taught that the law presented a choice between a blessing or a curse, LIFE or death. It was not a change in focus. Being righteous in this world insures a place in the world to come, the realm of eternal life.