America`s greatest game is a mess

[hadit]

I think American education is in great trouble because parents are not involved in public ed, but then they screw so badly in home schooling.

You keep saying that without any backing for your claims. You won't even say how you "know" all of this. Pity.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Home school is where kids are taught that there`s no such thing as Evolution. Government schools will only make you stupid if you want to be stupid.

Then why are there such horrible reading and math scores in parts of the country??

Are you saying inner city Baltimore kids WANT to be stupid? (Careful, you’re a leftist and have very strict victimhood guidelines when race is involved)

 

[Mr. Friscus]

You keep saying that without any backing for your claims. You won't even say how you "know" all of this. Pity.

Yep, broad brush anger from him. He’s very irresponsible and basically spewing slander at people he seems to despise. There’s no intellectual content there

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Most home schools abuse education.

LMAO where are you getting this bullsh*t

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Eight years of Catholic school where not learning isn`t an option.

So you’re going to apply your one singular experience onto everyone else and assume that’s how it is for all?

How reckless, and conceited. You’re not that important, just because you messed up doesn’t mean everyone is like you.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

(1) They are used to teach religion in place of science, and (2) They don't teach critical thinking skills.

What sources are you using to make these giant broad claims?

Because I just think you have an ax to grind with home schooling and are making things up. I don’t think anyone outside of angry leftists believe anything you’re saying

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Since you all ignored this though you had plenty of time, I will repost it for you, Ignoring what you don't like does not help improve your cognitive abilities, Friscus et al. Give it a try.

"There are... areas where homeschooling in America can improve. One of the biggest challenges is ensuring that homeschooled students receive a well-rounded education that includes subjects such as science, math, and social studies3. Another area of concern is the lack of social interaction that homeschooled students may experience, which can impact their social skills and ability to work in groups4.

To address these issues, some states have implemented regulations that require homeschooled students to take standardized tests or submit to periodic evaluations by certified teachers3. Additionally, many homeschooling families participate in co-ops or other social groups to provide opportunities for their children to interact with peers and develop social skills4.

It’s important to note that homeschooling can be a great option for many families, but it’s not the right choice for everyone. If you’re considering homeschooling your child, I recommend doing thorough research and consulting with your local school district to learn more about the requirements and resources available to you3.

 

[hadit]

"There are... areas where homeschooling in America can improve. One of the biggest challenges is ensuring that homeschooled students receive a well-rounded education that includes subjects such as science, math, and social studies3. Another area of concern is the lack of social interaction that homeschooled students may experience, which can impact their social skills and ability to work in groups4.

Okay, you're stating obvious things. When a parent chooses a curriculum, those subjects are included. Only if parents deliberately choose to ignore those subjects are they not taught. Every curriculum we ever ran into included those subjects. See, when you homeschool, you don't just say, "here's a book I found in the library, start reading", you look at the available curricula, decide if you want to be the teacher or if you want to have qualified teachers available online to help your kids, and which curriculum to use. No curricula I'm aware of fail to provide all of the subjects taught in government schools. Now, what we found is that your child will likely excel in certain subjects while being mediocre in others. That just means that you will now be able to let your kids move ahead, for just one example, in maybe science and math, while staying at grade level in History and English. This flexibility means they won't get bored by being held back in subjects they like, but won't get pushed too far, too fast in subjects they don't.

See below for the social interaction bit.

To address these issues, some states have implemented regulations that require homeschooled students to take standardized tests or submit to periodic evaluations by certified teachers3. Additionally, many homeschooling families participate in co-ops or other social groups to provide opportunities for their children to interact with peers and develop social skills4.

Yes, we used the SOL's to ensure our kids were keeping up, and the homeschoolers we knew did as well. Homeschooling associations encouraged doing that for obvious reasons. If you ever intend on putting your kids back into government schools, you have to know where they are at.

"Develop social skills". This is a discredited canard, because of the following:

1. We had no problem with people developing social skills before the federal government herded everyone into federally run schools where they are required to sit down and shut up for 6 hours a day.
2. Home schooled kids are taught social skills by interacting with ADULTS as well as other kids, and adults are more adept at teaching social skills than are children. The reality of government schooling is, the adults are few and far between, with the primary adult the kids deal with, the teacher, overwhelmed trying to manage 20 kids at a time.
3. Only parents who truly try to isolate their children would not join a co-op, where their kids get the same interactions that government schooled kids get, minus the bullying, assaults, rapes, and drug deals. This is because Mom or Dad is usually in the group of adults keeping an eye on things.

It’s important to note that homeschooling can be a great option for many families, but it’s not the right choice for everyone. If you’re considering homeschooling your child, I recommend doing thorough research and consulting with your local school district to learn more about the requirements and resources available to you3.

Which is as I've been saying. Homeschooling requires a commitment from parents, stress the plural, because one will likely not be able to work while their kids are at school. Now, if the kid is really trustworthy and shows that he/she can get all their work done with an online curriculum that doesn't require much supervision, a parent could work, but they have to be smart about it. IOW, homeschooling, far from a disaster, is a great option for parents who really want their kids to have the best educational opportunities available and are willing to make the commitment to make it happen. Be warned, however, that homeschooling without that commitment is little more than truancy.

You still haven't told us about your "extensive" experience with homeschooled kids.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Neither have you. Home schooling needs to do far better, as does public education.

If parents as a whole would greatly get involved, matters would be far better.

 

[hadit]

Neither have you. Home schooling needs to do far better, as does public education.

Okay, but it is inescapable that, even with all the detractions you think you found for homeschooling, the results can be spectacular when compared to government schools. I've noticed that you haven't addressed things like bullying, rape, assault, and drug use that is common in many government schools, especially those with dismal GPA's for their "graduating" classes.

If parents as a whole would greatly get involved, matters would be far better.

Sure, and as we're seeing now, many of those who DO get involved choose to educate at home because they can do a better job.

And yes, I've told you about my experience. We put our kids in a private school for a while, taught them at home, and sent them to a government school, depending on what they wanted to do and what was best for them at the time. We looked over the available curricula and decided to use one that was online with qualified teachers grading assignments and offering help when needed. We also joined a co-op for shared education opportunities. We went to the massive conventions, talked with other homeschooling parents, made sure we followed the laws and regulations for homeschooling in our area, etc.

Did you miss all of that?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You were involved, and that is very commendable.

This involvement is the answer to the problem.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

It’s important to note that homeschooling can be a great option for many families, but it’s not the right choice for everyone.

That’s quite different than the BS absolute proclamations you’re trying to promote.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

You still haven't told us about your "extensive" experience with homeschooled kids.

Like many leftists, I’d assume there is none, just broad assertions based on assumptions in a room/bubble protected from the outside world.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

That’s quite different than the BS absolute proclamations you’re trying to promote.

Quit being a dork. If it is done half ass or for reasons other than what it should be for, it's only a gimmick that hurts the students and the nation's well being.

 

[hadit]

You were involved, and that is very commendable.

This involvement is the answer to the problem.

And homeschooling itself is not a problem. The arguments you use against homeschooling can be used against government school as well. When parents use the schools as glorified baby-sitters, the kids are subjected to bullying, sexual assault, drug usage, etc. and the teachers spend more time trying to make everyone sit down and shut up than they do actually teaching anything. Involved parents can compensate for some of the shortcomings of government school, but not all of them. Just look at some of the GPA's among the graduating classes in some of government schools for examples of severe failure. We don't take just those as proof that the entire system is broken, do we? If we did what you have been doing to homeschooling, that's exactly what we would be doing, grabbing the performance of Baltimore's inner city schools, for example, and claiming they represent all government schools. Likewise, it is disingenuous for you to claim homeschooling in general fails kids because there are a handful of parents who don't do it right.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Quit being a dork. If it is done half ass or for reasons other than what it should be for, it's only a gimmick that hurts the students and the nation's well being.

All of the families who I’ve come in contact with who home school their kids seem to have children that are far smarter and more socially diverse with all other ages than public school kids.

Public schoolers are extremely cut off as far as socializing with other age groups. They obsess over cliques and image, and cause kids to suppress themselves and their genuine interests so they don’t seem to eager.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

All of the families who I’ve come in contact with who home school their kids seem to have children that are far smarter and more socially diverse with all other ages than public school kids.

Public schoolers are extremely cut off as far as socializing with other age groups. They obsess over cliques and image, and cause kids to suppress themselves and their genuine interests so they don’t seem to eager.

What a silly statement. Many public schoolers are every bit as precious as some of the home schoolers.

 

[hadit]

Quit being a dork. If it is done half ass or for reasons other than what it should be for, it's only a gimmick that hurts the students and the nation's well being.

When parents treat government schools like they're nothing more than glorified baby-sitters, the result is the same, uneducated students. You haven't shown homeschooling to be even majority used like a gimmick. On the contrary, you're fighting against stats that show homeschooled kids do better.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

When parents treat government schools like they're nothing more than glorified baby-sitters, the result is the same, uneducated students. You haven't shown homeschooling to be even majority used like a gimmick. On the contrary, you're fighting against stats that show homeschooled kids do better.

Home schooling is not a panacea. Now you are arguing to simply be quarrelsome, although you admitted you were wrong. So good bye.

 

[hadit]

Home schooling is not a panacea. Now you are arguing to simply be quarrelsome, although you admitted you were wrong. So good bye.

No one said it was, that's something you just made up to make yourself feel better because you lost the argument and couldn't sustain your assertions.