America: Love it of Leave it!!

As I state in my post, you are free to disagree all you like.
Except you have branded those that disagree as unAmerican. Given the US started without capitalism, but based on small business free enterprise, that is ironic. The founders would likely have tarred and feathered Trump, Musk, and the whole lot of them. Washington would have hanged Trump on 1/7 from a tree.
 
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This is the Republican play book.

"This is what we want America to be, if you don't like it, you should leave".

Ridiculous. Why should "American values" be "Republican values"?

That's not freedom, is it?
Yet the MAGAs don't live by it. Trump is perfecting crony capitalism in real time.
 
No. I don't want to downplay slavery. It was a sin of the first order. It's one of the great wrongs in the history of mankind.
But you know what's interesting?
We ended it. Lots of countries didn't. We lost over 600,000 people, most of them white, to end it.
And we didn't end it, like 22 years ago. It was 160 years ago, written into the Constitution.
Yes, Jim Crow and the Klan put a crimp in that though,didn't they?
Guess who made up the racist South and the Klu Klux Klan?
Yep, you guessed it: Democrats.

They did?
You're sure of that?
You mean Donald Trump, the son of a millionaire, was only successful because he benefitted from Jim Crow?
And you have the ******* temerity to call ME stupid???
If we debated on a stage, they'd have to call it after three minutes. You're an embarrassment for somebody who claims to know history (which you don't).

I don't know what "right wing" means.
If you mean "a conservative who wants to preserve the good things about America while eliminating the stupid socialist shit the Democrats have instituted over the past half century", yeah, that's me.
It's tiresome dealing with not one, but two black racists on this site, but I'm up for it. Because I know I'm right.
And you're wrong.
"Whites like you ... " blah blah blah.
Shove it, you phony.
Let's get something straight, drop the standard white right-wing bs about how America ended slavery. Slavery is still legal here. So again, do you want to discuss Jim Crow in reality? Several million blacks died in slavery, and you can stop talking about how many whites died fighting to preserve the Union, because you get no credit from me for fighting to end something that never should have been done in the first place. I don't see any of you saying that you are grateful to the Muslims that helped us get Bin Laden, but we are supposed to be eternally grateful to whites because they corrected a mess they made.

Donald Trump inherited a miillion dollar real estate company built by his father who used government-subsidized rent-controlled apartments to get paid. His father benefited from Jim Crow and passed his business to his son. Therefore, Trump benefited from Jim Crow. Your comments show just hw obivious some whites are to how they have benefitted from past forms of racial exclusion.

You are no conservative. Freedom of expression is worth conserving, and the American right does not want to allow everybody their right to free expression. They want free expression only the way they decide. Free expression means people can be trans, whether we agree with that or not. It means people can LGBTQ whether we like it or not.

"Whites like you" is not a racist comment. "Whites, like you" is describing a particular type of white person and mt the entire white race. Racism means you attribute a trait to an entire race. You aren't dealing with any black racists here. You are a dishonest right-wing white man who tries calling lacks racists who call out and oppose the racism we see coming from the current Republican party today.

And I am a 64-year-old black man. I am not white, I am not female. I live in America. I understand that racists like you truly believe that black people don't object to your racism, or that a good black person is the one who stays quiet about it. But that's not me, and it won't be me.
 
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Let's get something straight, drop the standard white right-wing bs about how America ended slavery. Slavery is still legal here.
No, it is not. And hasn't been since 1865.
You're a liar.
Or mentally ill.
But that is not true ...not even remotely so.
Let me repeat: you're a liar.
You have absolutely ZERO credibility.
So again, do you want to discuss Jim Crow in reality? Several million blacks died in slavery, and you can stop talking about how many whites died fighting to preserve the Union, because you get no credit from me for fighting to end something that never should have been done in the first place.
You simply cannot use the standards of today to judge those from 250 years ago. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen and it's pushed repeatedly by Marxist professors. Undoubtedly you have been influenced by Marxism, which is why you despise America.
I don't see any of you saying that you are grateful to the Muslims that helped us get Bin Laden, but we are supposed to be eternally grateful to whites because they corrected a mess they made.
I'm not aware of too many Muslims who aided us getting to bin Laden but if so, well, gee, that's just ******* great.
And whites weren't totally responsible for slavery, asshole. Blacks in Africa were more than happy to sell their brethren for money.
Donald Trump inherited a miillion dollar real estate company built by his father who used government-subsidized rent-controlled apartments to get paid. His father benefited from Jim Crow and passed his business to his son. Therefore, Trump benefited from Jim Crow. Your comments show just hw obivious some whites are to how they have benefitted from past forms of racial exclusion.
Jim Crow.
Jim Crow.
Jim Crow.
Racism.
Racism.
Racism.
I hope to hell you're seeing a psychiatrist because you really, really need one.
You are no conservative. Freedom of expression is worth conserving, and the American right does not want to allow everybody their right to free expression. They want free expression only the way they decide. Free expression means people can be trans, whether we agree with that or not. It means people can LGBTQ whether we like it or not.
True.
However, when schools and the Left actively push kids who have no clue what their sexuality is yet into getting sex changes, I draw the line and particularly when the parents are bypassed.
I know as a dedicated America-hating Marxist, you're all for that but I'm not.
"Whites like you" is not a racist comment. "Whites, like you" is describing a particular type of white person and mt the entire white race. Racism means you attribute a trait to an entire race. You aren't dealing with any black racists here. You are a dishonest right-wing white man who tries calling lacks racists who call out and oppose the racism we see coming from the current Republican party today.
You're a racist.
You hate white people. It's obvious.
And I am a 64-year-old black man. I am not white, I am not female. I live in America. I understand that racists like you truly believe that black people don't object to your racism, or that a good black person is the one who stays quiet about it. But that's not me, and it won't be me.
**** you.
And then **** you again.
Because I'm not racist. And you are. You're seriously fucked up.
And it will not end well for you. Your bitterness will continue to consume you while us happy warriors will emerge victorious.
Asshole.
We're done. I don't deal with ******* douchebags well. I don't have the time or patience to educate the ignorant.
 

Here is a radical notion in today's radicalized America: If you do not pledge your allegiance to the American republic, then you ought not participate in the same. I am not talking about saying the Pledge of Allegiance. I am talking about walking the walk. Actions are more important than words. If you cannot do this, then you cannot be a citizen. Here is a partial list of things that indicate you have chosen to smite America; i.e., things that clearly demonstrate you do not support the republic:

1. Declaring yourself a socialist, communist, democratic socialist, etc ... None of these Marxist-based ideologies are consistent with our constitution. Yes, there is a First Amendment that prevents the government from loading you into a massive catapult and firing you out into the Atlantic Ocean. However, the First Amendment probably does not prevent other actions from being taken (limiting your rights based on you being a national security threat; public ostracizing; a total private sector freeze-out, etc...).

2. Opposing ICE enforcing federal immigration law. The clear implication of this is anarchy. You may not like that we have immigration laws (like the rest of the world does), or that they are imperative to sovereignty, but your redress is to lobby lawmakers, NOT interfere with legitimate law-enforcement activity. This is borderline sedition.

3. Promoting and adhering to ideologies that tend to degrade the moral fabric of the nation. This is wokeness, trans, pedo shit (e.g., sexualizing children), etc...

4. Declaring allegiance to our enemies. Clearly, what I have in mind are the people protesting and supporting Hamas. These people and freedom are strangers. Moreover, Islamists want to destroy America. There is nothing good for America to have people doing this within our borders. In fact, it is harmful. You may protest our government's foreign policy all you like. But when you take sides against America, like these foreign protest movements (funded by foreign actors), that is it. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES AFFORDED BY OUR CONSTITUTION WHEN YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY PREACHING SHIT THAT LENDS ITSELF TO DESTROYING SAID DOCUMENT.

Engage in this thought experiment. When the Founders were debating the freedoms and liberties to be guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, what do you think their response would be to the question, "What if a certain kind if speech is so insidious that it tends to lead people to wanting to overthrow/destroy the republic? Is THAT speech guaranteed by the First Amendment?" The years of jurisprudence that followed interpreted the First Amendment rather broadly, holding that it protected the act of burning the American flag and the expression of just about every sort of degenerate idea out there. However, I do not think that is what the Founders intended. If they has such question posed to them, they would, I think, have said the following:

"Implicit in a nation-state's charter is the unstated premise that a country always seeks to act in its best interest and, therefore, it has not only a right, but a duty, to ensure the perpetuation of its existence."

Honestly, could the underlying assumption of a sovereign nation-state ever be ANYTHING but this? NO!

Sure, you can let some weirdos talk about this and protest that, and whatever. But we have progressed beyond this now. Certain people are actively engages in all manner of ideological driven b.s. that is aimed at undermining the republic. Funding is flowing in from foreign actors, and domestic actors. No patriotic American argues for socialism. That is ipso facto contra America. No patriotic America opposes the enforcement of valid law, for such is anarchy. No patriotic American tries to interfere with the enforcement of law. No Patriotic American advocates for open borders.

This is pretty basic stuff, and it is being ignored because people have other things on their minds. The public education system has ignored civics, and now is affirmatively pimping destructive ideology. Trump is right to rid our nation of the U.S. Dept. of Education, and it is a centralized agency that has concentrated power. The Founders would not have approved of having such an agency either. They did not allow for it in the Constitution, nor were they fans of concentrated power. They new that power needed to be checks and dispersed.

The principle is simple: If you are not aligned with the U.S. constitutional republic as sovereign nation-state, then you ought to have no right to participate in our republic as a citizen. You can visit, but you cannot stay, vote, or run for office.

El Capitan Creeper, 2025.

Well, that is all fine and dandy, but unfortunately Americans have the freedom to shit the bed and screw it all up, because someone forgot to tell them that personal responsibility is a requirement of freedom or it will all be a trainwreck.
 
No, it is not. And hasn't been since 1865.
You're a liar.
Or mentally ill.
But that is not true ...not even remotely so.
Let me repeat: you're a liar.
You have absolutely ZERO credibility.

You simply cannot use the standards of today to judge those from 250 years ago. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen and it's pushed repeatedly by Marxist professors. Undoubtedly you have been influenced by Marxism, which is why you despise America.

I'm not aware of too many Muslims who aided us getting to bin Laden but if so, well, gee, that's just ******* great.
And whites weren't totally responsible for slavery, asshole. Blacks in Africa were more than happy to sell their brethren for money.

Jim Crow.
Jim Crow.
Jim Crow.
Racism.
Racism.
Racism.
I hope to hell you're seeing a psychiatrist because you really, really need one.

True.
However, when schools and the Left actively push kids who have no clue what their sexuality is yet into getting sex changes, I draw the line and particularly when the parents are bypassed.
I know as a dedicated America-hating Marxist, you're all for that but I'm not.

You're a racist.
You hate white people. It's obvious.

**** you.
And then **** you again.
Because I'm not racist. And you are. You're seriously fucked up.
And it will not end well for you. Your bitterness will continue to consume you while us happy warriors will emerge victorious.
Asshole.
We're done. I don't deal with ******* douchebags well. I don't have the time or patience to educate the ignorant.
Slavery is still legal here. On December 6, 1865, the thirteenth Amendment was ratified, officially ending slavery in the United States, except as punishment for a crime.

Some people have an excuse that says we cannot hold Americans who lived in the past to today’s standards. I could understand if this standard was applied to all past events, ideas, beliefs, and philosophies, but it seems that
this excuse is only used when racial injustices are discussed. For example, we have the political ideology called conservatism, whose members will proudly quote statements from the founders about the role of the American government today. None of the founders are here now. They are people of the past. The right credits them for ideas they had. They can assess today’s standards to their words. The OP of this thread is an example.

We get told how we need to return to those standards consistently. Yet if you say, “No, I can’t do that because they owned slaves, which means they did not truly believe the words they spoke,” suddenly you can’t hold people from the past responsible, or you cannot place today’s standards on their beliefs. The record shows how the people of that time assessed “today’s” standards on themselves. Almost every one of them spoke out against slavery. Ben Franklin and Ben Rush formed an abolition organization. John Quincy Adams was called the “hell hound for Abolition.” Don’t believe me, here are their words.

“Why keep alive the question of slavery? It is admitted by all to be a great evil.”
-Charles Carroll, Signer of the Declaration
“I am glad to hear that the disposition against keeping negroes grows more general in North America. Several pieces have been lately printed here against the practice, and I hope in time it will be taken into consideration and suppressed by the legislature.”
-Benjamin Franklin, Signer of the Declaration, Signer of the Constitution, President of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society
“That men should pray and fight for their own freedom and yet keep others in slavery is certainly acting a very inconsistent, as well as unjust and perhaps impious.”
-John Jay, President of Continental Congress, Original Chief Justice U. S. Supreme Court
“The whole commerce between master and slave is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other. . . . And with what execration [curse] should the statesman be loaded, who permitting one half the citizens thus to trample on the rights of the other. . . . And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.”
-Thomas Jefferson

I can keep going. Apparently, you didn't study this part of history when you got that degree.

Now you come to me with the same dumb white right wing garbage. You are the racist, that's why you holler so loud about me and Marc. Non racist whites understand what was done, know how it exists now and work to change it, not claim to be "conservative" as an excuse to conserve the racist origins of this country. You don't want to discuss Jim Crow because it destroys your false narrative and renders your white grievance as the whiny bs that it actually is.

I don't hate whites, but that's another tactic white racists use as part of their gaslighting. What you fail to understand, because the arrogance of white supremacy doesn't allow you to, is that we grow up and live having to adjust our lives in order to maneuver around whites who are racists in order to achieve. We must learn and observe the behavioral patterns of every white person we meet to ensure that we do not end up giving our trust to a racist. Because that trust can end our lives if we are in the wrong place. So we learn to recognize racist behavior in whites who exhibit that behavior. After living 64 years thus far in a nation full of racism, the behavior pattern is very clear, especially when a person is trained in sociology, which is what I graduated from college in. So all your whining that "he hate the white man", just shows that you want to play victim, while you also want to pay the superior white man. In short, you have a psychological problem.

We know the playbook, junior, you are nothing but a right-wing racist.
 
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Well, that is all fine and dandy, but unfortunately Americans have the freedom to shit the bed and screw it all up, because someone forgot to tell them that personal responsibility is a requirement of freedom or it will all be a trainwreck.
LOL! Those who preach personal responsibility to others generally aren't willing to take personal responsibility to fix the problems they're part of.
 
LOL! Those who preach personal responsibility to others generally aren't willing to take personal responsibility to fix the problems they're part of.

Hey window licker, those who are limited to baseless accusations, are just limited.
 
They can try, if they are foolish enough. But they will **** up with issues involving preemption (federal immigration law enforcement), equal protection (Mamdani’s taxing white people more), etc…

Don’t waste my time, dummy!
I am a conservative. So, save the name calling.

All I am saying is that is the beauty of the Constitution.

Immigration law is a federal perview (providing for the common defense). Mayors of sancutary cities should be escorted to prison. If one of their protectorates kills someone, the mayor should join them on the gallows.

Equal protetion is fuzzy, but if New York doesn't have an equivalent they are stupid. Taxing white people more is simply discrimination and a violation of about 100 different points of basic federal policy.

However, if Michigan wants state health care they can pass it (as long as they fund it and don't look to anyone else). If Florida would rather build better roads....that is up to them.
 
I can’t stand people who complain about this country and still live here. No country is perfect my friend.
The First Amendment is a problem for you. However, this country has made claims that it has yet to live up to, and until it does, we should demand that we strive to do so
 
You made a baseless accusation that I responded to.
Well to be fair, I did refer to you as a cerebral narcissist to someone else, but I didn't want things to get too complicated, so I called you a window licker instead.

Your first and second response to me had little to do with the context of what I posted, or the OP, and was directed at your desire to express your belief that you have a superior intellect, and your unquenchable desire to attempt to control the discussion. See what I mean window licker, because this going to get really complicated for you.

I would suggest you at least attempt to address the context of what I posted, or the OP.
 
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No, it is not. And hasn't been since 1865.
You're a liar.
Or mentally ill.
But that is not true ...not even remotely so.
Let me repeat: you're a liar.
You have absolutely ZERO credibility.

You simply cannot use the standards of today to judge those from 250 years ago. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen and it's pushed repeatedly by Marxist professors. Undoubtedly you have been influenced by Marxism, which is why you despise America.

I'm not aware of too many Muslims who aided us getting to bin Laden but if so, well, gee, that's just ******* great.
And whites weren't totally responsible for slavery, asshole. Blacks in Africa were more than happy to sell their brethren for money.

Jim Crow.
Jim Crow.
Jim Crow.
Racism.
Racism.
Racism.
I hope to hell you're seeing a psychiatrist because you really, really need one.

True.
However, when schools and the Left actively push kids who have no clue what their sexuality is yet into getting sex changes, I draw the line and particularly when the parents are bypassed.
I know as a dedicated America-hating Marxist, you're all for that but I'm not.

You're a racist.
You hate white people. It's obvious.

**** you.
And then **** you again.
Because I'm not racist. And you are. You're seriously fucked up.
And it will not end well for you. Your bitterness will continue to consume you while us happy warriors will emerge victorious.
Asshole.
We're done. I don't deal with ******* douchebags well. I don't have the time or patience to educate the ignorant.
Race baiting asshole is what I use as a reference standard for IM2 (stupid).
 
Don't you ******* lecture me on whether or not I'm a Christian, you racist POS.
You live to hate.
I live to do the right thing.
You don't.
No you don't, because you're always choosing to do the wrong thing.
 
No, it is not. And hasn't been since 1865.
You're a liar.
Or mentally ill.
But that is not true ...not even remotely so.
Let me repeat: you're a liar.
You have absolutely ZERO credibility.

You simply cannot use the standards of today to judge those from 250 years ago. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen and it's pushed repeatedly by Marxist professors. Undoubtedly you have been influenced by Marxism, which is why you despise America.

I'm not aware of too many Muslims who aided us getting to bin Laden but if so, well, gee, that's just ******* great.
And whites weren't totally responsible for slavery, asshole. Blacks in Africa were more than happy to sell their brethren for money.

Jim Crow.
Jim Crow.
Jim Crow.
Racism.
Racism.
Racism.
I hope to hell you're seeing a psychiatrist because you really, really need one.

True.
However, when schools and the Left actively push kids who have no clue what their sexuality is yet into getting sex changes, I draw the line and particularly when the parents are bypassed.
I know as a dedicated America-hating Marxist, you're all for that but I'm not.

You're a racist.
You hate white people. It's obvious.

**** you.
And then **** you again.
Because I'm not racist. And you are. You're seriously fucked up.
And it will not end well for you. Your bitterness will continue to consume you while us happy warriors will emerge victorious.
Asshole.
We're done. I don't deal with ******* douchebags well. I don't have the time or patience to educate the ignorant.
You're such a ******* idiot.

There's no worse fool than an old fool.
 
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