Alt-Right Defined

[Obiwan]

Wikipedia provides the best definition of the alt-right that I've seen:

The alt-right is a segment of far-right ideologies presented as an alternative to mainstream conservatism in the United States.[1]The alt-right has been described as a movement unified by support for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump,[2][3][4] as well as opposition to multiculturalism and immigration.[5][6]

The alt-right has no official ideology, but various sources have described it as a loosely defined conservative movement associated with white nationalism,[6][7][8] white supremacism,[2][6][9][10] antisemitism,[2][6][11][8] right-wing populism,[12][13] nativism,[14] and theneoreactionary movement.[1][15][16]

The alt-right has been said to be a largely online movement with Internet memes widely used to advance or express its beliefs, often on websites such as 4chan.[2][9][11][17][18]

Alt-right - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you link to a source where anybody can write and edit...

Sorry, but you need to find a credible source, since you could have easily inserted your bullshit into the one you posted....

That's not really how wikipedia works. I realize this is a right wing talking point, because you guys HATE wikipedia, but you can't just go in there and edit whatever you want. They're very strict and everything must come with accurate citations.

If you don't like wiki, click through to the sources. Educate yourself.

I've seen how the Libs cherrypick sources...

At times it's laughable...

What's next??? Links from Moron.org???

While I disagree with him and find that the idea that ONLY right wingers detest Wikipedia (I don't think most college professors are right wingers), I still encourage you to check the actual sources for their validity.

Wikipedia is a good "base" of information. The definition of the alt-right sounds very accurate.

Sounds like a good evaluation from a drunk squaw at 12:30 am on a Saturday morning, doesn't it???

Peyote much???

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Since Inception no one at USMB ever used the phrase Alt Right. On 8/25/16 Hillary uploaded the data into the Collective Hivemind, now they all believe its real

That dog doesn't hunt Frank. I've talked about the #AltRight and its companion #gamergate before, National Review wrote about it in May of this year, and Breitbart has been writing about it far longer. Hell, Breitbart employs some of the #AltRight's biggest names.

Where folks are wrong on this is that the #AltRight doesn't represent the Tea Party or Conservatives. They have a nickname for Conservatives that uses a racial slur as part of its punch. Where Clinton is right though is that Trump is connected to #AltRight. They love him and elevating Breitbart to such a big part of his campaign elevated them.

 

[Pilate]

That's not really how wikipedia works. I realize this is a right wing talking point, because you guys HATE wikipedia, but you can't just go in there and edit whatever you want. They're very strict and everything must come with accurate citations.

If you don't like wiki, click through to the sources. Educate yourself.

I've seen how the Libs cherrypick sources...

At times it's laughable...

What's next??? Links from Moron.org???

While I disagree with him and find that the idea that ONLY right wingers detest Wikipedia (I don't think most college professors are right wingers), I still encourage you to check the actual sources for their validity.

Wikipedia is a good "base" of information. The definition of the alt-right sounds very accurate.

Hmmm...well I disagree, I think the sources given are a little dodgy. Personally I'd define alt-right as being similar to socialism in the way that it fits in to the left-right spectrum in the sense that socialism is liberal and democratic it has communist elements and alt-rightism is conservative and democratic (referring to form of government, not party) it contains fascist elements.

Then elaborate on what part of wiki's definition that you disagree with.

Particularly with the idea that it is inherently anti-Semitic and white supremacist. And the reason I say this is because like any political ideology it can be held by anyone. Therefore, a person in Israel for example could adopt alt-right tenets of nativism, nationalism, protectionism, and cultural pride and be an alt-righter just as a Haitian or a Polynesian could be. I think it would be foolish to attempt to tie a political ideology to being for or against one race unless that ideology explicitly states so. I mean consider that many say that Marxist ideologies are inherently anti-white. I don't know about you, but I personally and strongly believe that the above claim is nonsense.

 

[SYTFE]

I've seen how the Libs cherrypick sources...

At times it's laughable...

What's next??? Links from Moron.org???

While I disagree with him and find that the idea that ONLY right wingers detest Wikipedia (I don't think most college professors are right wingers), I still encourage you to check the actual sources for their validity.

Wikipedia is a good "base" of information. The definition of the alt-right sounds very accurate.

Hmmm...well I disagree, I think the sources given are a little dodgy. Personally I'd define alt-right as being similar to socialism in the way that it fits in to the left-right spectrum in the sense that socialism is liberal and democratic it has communist elements and alt-rightism is conservative and democratic (referring to form of government, not party) it contains fascist elements.

Then elaborate on what part of wiki's definition that you disagree with.

Particularly with the idea that it is inherently anti-Semitic and white supremacist. And the reason I say this is because like any political ideology it can be held by anyone. Therefore, a person in Israel for example could adopt alt-right tenets of nativism, nationalism, protectionism, and cultural pride and be an alt-righter just as a Haitian or a Polynesian could be. I think it would be foolish to attempt to tie a political ideology to being for or against one race unless that ideology explicitly states so. I mean consider that many say that Marxist ideologies are inherently anti-white. I don't know about you, but I personally and strongly believe that the above claim is nonsense.

Well, they are anti-Semitic and very white supremacist. You don't seem very familiar with them. I've debated a couple of these guys for about a year now, and researched their movement and views and spent a good amount of time reading some of their forums. (I don't recommend it.)

That are 100% anti-Semitic and that is very much a core thing for them. They HATE Jews. And I mean Hate with a capital H.

 

[bripat9643]

1. The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right.
2. The Alt Right is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk's 10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.
3. The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.
4. The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Rule of Law.
5. The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.
6. The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.
7. The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.
8. The Alt Right is scientodific. It presumptively accepts the current conclusions of the scientific method (scientody), while understanding a) these conclusions are liable to future revision, b) that scientistry is susceptible to corruption, and c) that the so-called scientific consensus is not based on scientody, but democracy, and is therefore intrinsically unscientific.
9. The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.
10. The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.
11. The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.
12. The Alt Right doesn't care what you think of it.
13. The Alt Right rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires. The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade.
14. The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.
15. The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.
16. The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.

Vox Popoli: What the Alt Right is

Why should anyone give a flying fuck what some leftwing wacko group says about some classification that Hillary just made up to smear conservatives?

 

[SYTFE]

1. The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right.
2. The Alt Right is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk's 10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.
3. The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.
4. The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Rule of Law.
5. The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.
6. The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.
7. The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.
8. The Alt Right is scientodific. It presumptively accepts the current conclusions of the scientific method (scientody), while understanding a) these conclusions are liable to future revision, b) that scientistry is susceptible to corruption, and c) that the so-called scientific consensus is not based on scientody, but democracy, and is therefore intrinsically unscientific.
9. The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.
10. The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.
11. The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.
12. The Alt Right doesn't care what you think of it.
13. The Alt Right rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires. The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade.
14. The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.
15. The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.
16. The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.

Vox Popoli: What the Alt Right is

Why should anyone give a flying fuck what some leftwing wacko group says about some classification that Hillary just made up to smear conservatives?

Just stop. You are only making a fool out of yourself. You can visit their websites and see them for yourself. You can visit Breitbart yourself. Stop being an idiot.

 

[Pilate]

While I disagree with him and find that the idea that ONLY right wingers detest Wikipedia (I don't think most college professors are right wingers), I still encourage you to check the actual sources for their validity.

Wikipedia is a good "base" of information. The definition of the alt-right sounds very accurate.

Hmmm...well I disagree, I think the sources given are a little dodgy. Personally I'd define alt-right as being similar to socialism in the way that it fits in to the left-right spectrum in the sense that socialism is liberal and democratic it has communist elements and alt-rightism is conservative and democratic (referring to form of government, not party) it contains fascist elements.

Then elaborate on what part of wiki's definition that you disagree with.

Particularly with the idea that it is inherently anti-Semitic and white supremacist. And the reason I say this is because like any political ideology it can be held by anyone. Therefore, a person in Israel for example could adopt alt-right tenets of nativism, nationalism, protectionism, and cultural pride and be an alt-righter just as a Haitian or a Polynesian could be. I think it would be foolish to attempt to tie a political ideology to being for or against one race unless that ideology explicitly states so. I mean consider that many say that Marxist ideologies are inherently anti-white. I don't know about you, but I personally and strongly believe that the above claim is nonsense.

Well, they are anti-Semitic and very white supremacist. You don't seem very familiar with them. I've debated a couple of these guys for about a year now, and researched their movement and views and spent a good amount of time reading some of their forums. (I don't recommend it.)

That are 100% anti-Semitic and that is very much a core thing for them. They HATE Jews. And I mean Hate with a capital H.

But if I may, your claim would appear to be rather anecdotal in nature. Also, I'd argue that even if many alt-righters are anti-Semites then it wouldn't mean that anti-Semitism is a tenet of alt-rightism. Consider how many Republicans are Christian. Is Christianity a tenet of the GOP? Despite what many think and despite what many party members try to push for, no, it is not a tenet.

 

[SYTFE]

Wikipedia is a good "base" of information. The definition of the alt-right sounds very accurate.

Hmmm...well I disagree, I think the sources given are a little dodgy. Personally I'd define alt-right as being similar to socialism in the way that it fits in to the left-right spectrum in the sense that socialism is liberal and democratic it has communist elements and alt-rightism is conservative and democratic (referring to form of government, not party) it contains fascist elements.

Then elaborate on what part of wiki's definition that you disagree with.

Particularly with the idea that it is inherently anti-Semitic and white supremacist. And the reason I say this is because like any political ideology it can be held by anyone. Therefore, a person in Israel for example could adopt alt-right tenets of nativism, nationalism, protectionism, and cultural pride and be an alt-righter just as a Haitian or a Polynesian could be. I think it would be foolish to attempt to tie a political ideology to being for or against one race unless that ideology explicitly states so. I mean consider that many say that Marxist ideologies are inherently anti-white. I don't know about you, but I personally and strongly believe that the above claim is nonsense.

Well, they are anti-Semitic and very white supremacist. You don't seem very familiar with them. I've debated a couple of these guys for about a year now, and researched their movement and views and spent a good amount of time reading some of their forums. (I don't recommend it.)

That are 100% anti-Semitic and that is very much a core thing for them. They HATE Jews. And I mean Hate with a capital H.

But if I may, your claim would appear to be rather anecdotal in nature. Also, I'd argue that even if many alt-righters are anti-Semites then it wouldn't mean that anti-Semitism is a tenet of alt-rightism. Consider how many Republicans are Christian. Is Christianity a tenet of the GOP? Despite what many think and despite what many party members try to push for, no, it is not a tenet.

Well then, you can always try perusing their sites. One you might want to check out is The Daily Stormer.

Jewish Problem | Daily Stormer

You can also check out The Right Stuff:

The Right Stuff

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Wikipedia is a good "base" of information. The definition of the alt-right sounds very accurate.

Hmmm...well I disagree, I think the sources given are a little dodgy. Personally I'd define alt-right as being similar to socialism in the way that it fits in to the left-right spectrum in the sense that socialism is liberal and democratic it has communist elements and alt-rightism is conservative and democratic (referring to form of government, not party) it contains fascist elements.

Then elaborate on what part of wiki's definition that you disagree with.

Particularly with the idea that it is inherently anti-Semitic and white supremacist. And the reason I say this is because like any political ideology it can be held by anyone. Therefore, a person in Israel for example could adopt alt-right tenets of nativism, nationalism, protectionism, and cultural pride and be an alt-righter just as a Haitian or a Polynesian could be. I think it would be foolish to attempt to tie a political ideology to being for or against one race unless that ideology explicitly states so. I mean consider that many say that Marxist ideologies are inherently anti-white. I don't know about you, but I personally and strongly believe that the above claim is nonsense.

Well, they are anti-Semitic and very white supremacist. You don't seem very familiar with them. I've debated a couple of these guys for about a year now, and researched their movement and views and spent a good amount of time reading some of their forums. (I don't recommend it.)

That are 100% anti-Semitic and that is very much a core thing for them. They HATE Jews. And I mean Hate with a capital H.

But if I may, your claim would appear to be rather anecdotal in nature. Also, I'd argue that even if many alt-righters are anti-Semites then it wouldn't mean that anti-Semitism is a tenet of alt-rightism. Consider how many Republicans are Christian. Is Christianity a tenet of the GOP? Despite what many think and despite what many party members try to push for, no, it is not a tenet.

No, this is the argument #GamerGate folks use to claim they're really about "unbiased video game journalism." Except they're not. Like the #AltRight you can go to Twitter right now, look up any of the hashtags associated to this cluster of assholes (#AltRight, #GamerGate, #FreeMilo, #WhiteGenocide) and see what they're really about right away. They're folks that think casual racism is cute and cyber bullying is a fun way to pass a sexless evening. They're assholes pure and simple. There's nothing highminded there at all and there are no good people mixed up in this.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

1. The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right.
2. The Alt Right is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk's 10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.
3. The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.
4. The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Rule of Law.
5. The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.
6. The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.
7. The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.
8. The Alt Right is scientodific. It presumptively accepts the current conclusions of the scientific method (scientody), while understanding a) these conclusions are liable to future revision, b) that scientistry is susceptible to corruption, and c) that the so-called scientific consensus is not based on scientody, but democracy, and is therefore intrinsically unscientific.
9. The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.
10. The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.
11. The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.
12. The Alt Right doesn't care what you think of it.
13. The Alt Right rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires. The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade.
14. The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.
15. The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.
16. The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.

Vox Popoli: What the Alt Right is

Why should anyone give a flying fuck what some leftwing wacko group says about some classification that Hillary just made up to smear conservatives?

By Hilary you mean Breitbart, National Review, etc? You can keep your head in the sand like a damn ostrich but folks have been talking about this for a while. Denying they exist isn't going to fix the problem. Lots of young folks on social media have seen these guys in action and when you deny they exist you provide cover and look like one of them.

 

[Pilate]

Hmmm...well I disagree, I think the sources given are a little dodgy. Personally I'd define alt-right as being similar to socialism in the way that it fits in to the left-right spectrum in the sense that socialism is liberal and democratic it has communist elements and alt-rightism is conservative and democratic (referring to form of government, not party) it contains fascist elements.

Then elaborate on what part of wiki's definition that you disagree with.

Particularly with the idea that it is inherently anti-Semitic and white supremacist. And the reason I say this is because like any political ideology it can be held by anyone. Therefore, a person in Israel for example could adopt alt-right tenets of nativism, nationalism, protectionism, and cultural pride and be an alt-righter just as a Haitian or a Polynesian could be. I think it would be foolish to attempt to tie a political ideology to being for or against one race unless that ideology explicitly states so. I mean consider that many say that Marxist ideologies are inherently anti-white. I don't know about you, but I personally and strongly believe that the above claim is nonsense.

Well, they are anti-Semitic and very white supremacist. You don't seem very familiar with them. I've debated a couple of these guys for about a year now, and researched their movement and views and spent a good amount of time reading some of their forums. (I don't recommend it.)

That are 100% anti-Semitic and that is very much a core thing for them. They HATE Jews. And I mean Hate with a capital H.

But if I may, your claim would appear to be rather anecdotal in nature. Also, I'd argue that even if many alt-righters are anti-Semites then it wouldn't mean that anti-Semitism is a tenet of alt-rightism. Consider how many Republicans are Christian. Is Christianity a tenet of the GOP? Despite what many think and despite what many party members try to push for, no, it is not a tenet.

Well then, you can always try perusing their sites. One you might want to check out is The Daily Stormer.

Jewish Problem | Daily Stormer

You can also check out The Right Stuff:

The Right Stuff

Those sites can try and affiliate with the alt-right movement though they don't inherently have merit. I mean I could make a website called "liberalsforamerica" and then use the whole site the say things that may or may not have anything at all to do with liberalism. As someone who was formerly an alt-righter, I do not and have never held any ill will against Jewish people. Perhaps I find their sense of dress a little odd (never understood why they always wear suits) but in every sense of the word I perceive them as being my peers, every day people, like you or me. Perhaps I was not representative of the alt-right as a whole since I am but one person, but I contend that neither are these people. Especially they daily stormer, which as you can see by the name itself, is most likely actually aligned with outright fascism. This in a sense furthers my point that alt-rightism suffers from being the target of many infiltration attempts by far less popular ideologies since by contrast to those ideologies the alt-right is perceived as "up and coming."

 

[SYTFE]

Then elaborate on what part of wiki's definition that you disagree with.

Particularly with the idea that it is inherently anti-Semitic and white supremacist. And the reason I say this is because like any political ideology it can be held by anyone. Therefore, a person in Israel for example could adopt alt-right tenets of nativism, nationalism, protectionism, and cultural pride and be an alt-righter just as a Haitian or a Polynesian could be. I think it would be foolish to attempt to tie a political ideology to being for or against one race unless that ideology explicitly states so. I mean consider that many say that Marxist ideologies are inherently anti-white. I don't know about you, but I personally and strongly believe that the above claim is nonsense.

Well, they are anti-Semitic and very white supremacist. You don't seem very familiar with them. I've debated a couple of these guys for about a year now, and researched their movement and views and spent a good amount of time reading some of their forums. (I don't recommend it.)

That are 100% anti-Semitic and that is very much a core thing for them. They HATE Jews. And I mean Hate with a capital H.

But if I may, your claim would appear to be rather anecdotal in nature. Also, I'd argue that even if many alt-righters are anti-Semites then it wouldn't mean that anti-Semitism is a tenet of alt-rightism. Consider how many Republicans are Christian. Is Christianity a tenet of the GOP? Despite what many think and despite what many party members try to push for, no, it is not a tenet.

Well then, you can always try perusing their sites. One you might want to check out is The Daily Stormer.

Jewish Problem | Daily Stormer

You can also check out The Right Stuff:

The Right Stuff

Those sites can try and affiliate with the alt-right movement though they don't inherently have merit. I mean I could make a website called "liberalsforamerica" and then use the whole site the say things that may or may not have anything at all to do with liberalism. As someone who was formerly an alt-righter, I do not and have never held any ill will against Jewish people. Perhaps I find their sense of dress a little odd (never understood why they always wear suits) but in every sense of the word I perceive them as being my peers, every day people, like you or me. Perhaps I was not representative of the alt-right as a whole since I am but one person, but I contend that neither are these people. Especially they daily stormer, which as you can see by the name itself, is most likely actually aligned with outright fascism.

You could make that site, but your lack of traffic and participation would give it away as a BS site. Both of those sites get pretty damn good traffic and have quite a bit of participation from other alt-rightists. Trying to deny those sites is pretty silly, and saying that they "don't have merit" in terms of the alt-right movement is flagrantly dishonest.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Then elaborate on what part of wiki's definition that you disagree with.

Particularly with the idea that it is inherently anti-Semitic and white supremacist. And the reason I say this is because like any political ideology it can be held by anyone. Therefore, a person in Israel for example could adopt alt-right tenets of nativism, nationalism, protectionism, and cultural pride and be an alt-righter just as a Haitian or a Polynesian could be. I think it would be foolish to attempt to tie a political ideology to being for or against one race unless that ideology explicitly states so. I mean consider that many say that Marxist ideologies are inherently anti-white. I don't know about you, but I personally and strongly believe that the above claim is nonsense.

Well, they are anti-Semitic and very white supremacist. You don't seem very familiar with them. I've debated a couple of these guys for about a year now, and researched their movement and views and spent a good amount of time reading some of their forums. (I don't recommend it.)

That are 100% anti-Semitic and that is very much a core thing for them. They HATE Jews. And I mean Hate with a capital H.

But if I may, your claim would appear to be rather anecdotal in nature. Also, I'd argue that even if many alt-righters are anti-Semites then it wouldn't mean that anti-Semitism is a tenet of alt-rightism. Consider how many Republicans are Christian. Is Christianity a tenet of the GOP? Despite what many think and despite what many party members try to push for, no, it is not a tenet.

Well then, you can always try perusing their sites. One you might want to check out is The Daily Stormer.

Jewish Problem | Daily Stormer

You can also check out The Right Stuff:

The Right Stuff

Those sites can try and affiliate with the alt-right movement though they don't inherently have merit. I mean I could make a website called "liberalsforamerica" and then use the whole site the say things that may or may not have anything at all to do with liberalism. As someone who was formerly an alt-righter, I do not and have never held any ill will against Jewish people. Perhaps I find their sense of dress a little odd (never understood why they always wear suits) but in every sense of the word I perceive them as being my peers, every day people, like you or me. Perhaps I was not representative of the alt-right as a whole since I am but one person, but I contend that neither are these people. Especially they daily stormer, which as you can see by the name itself, is most likely actually aligned with outright fascism.

There's a reason attempts to smear the Tea Party didn't work. It's because if you meet a Tea Party person you realize there's real conviction there. The bad actors also tend to be the exception rather than the rule.

That is absolutely not the case with the #AltRight. Again, spend some time on Twitter. Read about their attacks on Ben Shapiro and on Leslie Jones from Ghostbusters. There are no exceptions, the bad actors are the rule. #AltRight are casual racist troublemakers. That's who they are and any look into what they say or do on social media proves it fairly quick.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

1. The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right.
2. The Alt Right is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk's 10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.
3. The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.
4. The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Rule of Law.
5. The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.
6. The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.
7. The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.
8. The Alt Right is scientodific. It presumptively accepts the current conclusions of the scientific method (scientody), while understanding a) these conclusions are liable to future revision, b) that scientistry is susceptible to corruption, and c) that the so-called scientific consensus is not based on scientody, but democracy, and is therefore intrinsically unscientific.
9. The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.
10. The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.
11. The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.
12. The Alt Right doesn't care what you think of it.
13. The Alt Right rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires. The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade.
14. The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.
15. The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.
16. The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.

Vox Popoli: What the Alt Right is

Posting your marching orders, huh?

 

[Pilate]

Particularly with the idea that it is inherently anti-Semitic and white supremacist. And the reason I say this is because like any political ideology it can be held by anyone. Therefore, a person in Israel for example could adopt alt-right tenets of nativism, nationalism, protectionism, and cultural pride and be an alt-righter just as a Haitian or a Polynesian could be. I think it would be foolish to attempt to tie a political ideology to being for or against one race unless that ideology explicitly states so. I mean consider that many say that Marxist ideologies are inherently anti-white. I don't know about you, but I personally and strongly believe that the above claim is nonsense.

Well, they are anti-Semitic and very white supremacist. You don't seem very familiar with them. I've debated a couple of these guys for about a year now, and researched their movement and views and spent a good amount of time reading some of their forums. (I don't recommend it.)

That are 100% anti-Semitic and that is very much a core thing for them. They HATE Jews. And I mean Hate with a capital H.

But if I may, your claim would appear to be rather anecdotal in nature. Also, I'd argue that even if many alt-righters are anti-Semites then it wouldn't mean that anti-Semitism is a tenet of alt-rightism. Consider how many Republicans are Christian. Is Christianity a tenet of the GOP? Despite what many think and despite what many party members try to push for, no, it is not a tenet.

Well then, you can always try perusing their sites. One you might want to check out is The Daily Stormer.

Jewish Problem | Daily Stormer

You can also check out The Right Stuff:

The Right Stuff

Those sites can try and affiliate with the alt-right movement though they don't inherently have merit. I mean I could make a website called "liberalsforamerica" and then use the whole site the say things that may or may not have anything at all to do with liberalism. As someone who was formerly an alt-righter, I do not and have never held any ill will against Jewish people. Perhaps I find their sense of dress a little odd (never understood why they always wear suits) but in every sense of the word I perceive them as being my peers, every day people, like you or me. Perhaps I was not representative of the alt-right as a whole since I am but one person, but I contend that neither are these people. Especially they daily stormer, which as you can see by the name itself, is most likely actually aligned with outright fascism.

You could make that site, but your lack of traffic and participation would give it away as a BS site. Both of those sites get pretty damn good traffic and have quite a bit of participation from other alt-rightists. Trying to deny those sites is pretty silly, and saying that they "don't have merit" in terms of the alt-right movement is flagrantly dishonest.

What do you consider to be "good traffic?" I mean I think I fairly addressed the stormer, and the other I have literally never heard of and I've spent some time interacting with many alt-righters. I'd like to add that I've had the unique perspective of having actually been among them and I can tell you for example that as I suggested earlier, many of them are not actually alt-righters but fascists (most commonly National Socialists) who have associated themselves with the alt-right due to it being perceived as being up and coming. These are the people behind the anti-Semitism you see. So for example, to an outside observer some talking heads for the alt-right would be people like Milo Yiannoupolos or Stephan Molyneux both of whom have gotten a lot of flak from the infiltrating fascist elements because they themselves are Jewish. So I stand by my point that those sites are not necessarily representative of that ideology.

 

[Dale Smith]

The alt-right is just a new name for fascism. If you disagree, please tell me how the alt-right and fascism differ.

We already HAVE fascism here.....how and the fuck can you not see that? You need a seeing eye dog and learn braille.

 

[bripat9643]

While I disagree with him and find that the idea that ONLY right wingers detest Wikipedia (I don't think most college professors are right wingers), I still encourage you to check the actual sources for their validity.

Wikipedia is a good "base" of information. The definition of the alt-right sounds very accurate.

Hmmm...well I disagree, I think the sources given are a little dodgy. Personally I'd define alt-right as being similar to socialism in the way that it fits in to the left-right spectrum in the sense that socialism is liberal and democratic it has communist elements and alt-rightism is conservative and democratic (referring to form of government, not party) it contains fascist elements.

Then elaborate on what part of wiki's definition that you disagree with.

Particularly with the idea that it is inherently anti-Semitic and white supremacist. And the reason I say this is because like any political ideology it can be held by anyone. Therefore, a person in Israel for example could adopt alt-right tenets of nativism, nationalism, protectionism, and cultural pride and be an alt-righter just as a Haitian or a Polynesian could be. I think it would be foolish to attempt to tie a political ideology to being for or against one race unless that ideology explicitly states so. I mean consider that many say that Marxist ideologies are inherently anti-white. I don't know about you, but I personally and strongly believe that the above claim is nonsense.

Well, they are anti-Semitic and very white supremacist. You don't seem very familiar with them. I've debated a couple of these guys for about a year now, and researched their movement and views and spent a good amount of time reading some of their forums. (I don't recommend it.)

That are 100% anti-Semitic and that is very much a core thing for them. They HATE Jews. And I mean Hate with a capital H.

So do left wingers, you fucking douche bag.

 

[Obiwan]

Hmmm...well I disagree, I think the sources given are a little dodgy. Personally I'd define alt-right as being similar to socialism in the way that it fits in to the left-right spectrum in the sense that socialism is liberal and democratic it has communist elements and alt-rightism is conservative and democratic (referring to form of government, not party) it contains fascist elements.

Then elaborate on what part of wiki's definition that you disagree with.

Particularly with the idea that it is inherently anti-Semitic and white supremacist. And the reason I say this is because like any political ideology it can be held by anyone. Therefore, a person in Israel for example could adopt alt-right tenets of nativism, nationalism, protectionism, and cultural pride and be an alt-righter just as a Haitian or a Polynesian could be. I think it would be foolish to attempt to tie a political ideology to being for or against one race unless that ideology explicitly states so. I mean consider that many say that Marxist ideologies are inherently anti-white. I don't know about you, but I personally and strongly believe that the above claim is nonsense.

Well, they are anti-Semitic and very white supremacist. You don't seem very familiar with them. I've debated a couple of these guys for about a year now, and researched their movement and views and spent a good amount of time reading some of their forums. (I don't recommend it.)

That are 100% anti-Semitic and that is very much a core thing for them. They HATE Jews. And I mean Hate with a capital H.

But if I may, your claim would appear to be rather anecdotal in nature. Also, I'd argue that even if many alt-righters are anti-Semites then it wouldn't mean that anti-Semitism is a tenet of alt-rightism. Consider how many Republicans are Christian. Is Christianity a tenet of the GOP? Despite what many think and despite what many party members try to push for, no, it is not a tenet.

Well then, you can always try perusing their sites. One you might want to check out is The Daily Stormer.

Jewish Problem | Daily Stormer

You can also check out The Right Stuff:

The Right Stuff

How about if we check out the KKK, and see that they support Hillary???
VIDEO=> KKK Grand Dragon Endorses Hillary Clinton

It appears the Jackass Party has a racism problem, since the KKK donated $20K to Hillary's campaign, but doesn't back BLM....

 

[Pilate]

Now if you all excuse me, I'm going to scurry back to the CDZ.

 

[Norman]

1. The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right.
2. The Alt Right is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk's 10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.
3. The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.
4. The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Rule of Law.
5. The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.
6. The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.
7. The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.
8. The Alt Right is scientodific. It presumptively accepts the current conclusions of the scientific method (scientody), while understanding a) these conclusions are liable to future revision, b) that scientistry is susceptible to corruption, and c) that the so-called scientific consensus is not based on scientody, but democracy, and is therefore intrinsically unscientific.
9. The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.
10. The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.
11. The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.
12. The Alt Right doesn't care what you think of it.
13. The Alt Right rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires. The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade.
14. The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.
15. The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.
16. The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.

Vox Popoli: What the Alt Right is

You're earning your crust from the DNC tonight aren't you?

"The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right."

Sounds FUCKING good

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   • The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.

Sounds good

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   • The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Rule of Law.

Sounds good

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   • The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.

Sounds good

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   • The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.

Sounds FUCKING good

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   • The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.

Sounds good

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   • The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.

Sounds good

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   • The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.

Sounds good

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   • The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.

Sounds good

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   • The Alt Right doesn't care what you think of it.

Sounds good

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   • The Alt Right rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires. The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade.

Sounds goods, fuck the WTO etc

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   • The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.

This is important to the future of Western Civilisation, if you have a problem with it, tough shit

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   • The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.

Sounds good

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   • The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.

Sounds good


Okay without having to consult the Leftist Extremist Politburo HQ for memos and instructions, WHAT EXACTLY is WRONG about ANY of the above things?

The hard left openly indoctrinates people with opposing views at universities. Such as there are no genders, no races and science is settled by whatever they say, rather than by the use of scientific method.

Of course they would see these people as extreme right wingers... they see everyone and anyone who is not part of them as such. In Euope the alt right are socialists who oppose completely open borders and unlimited immigration. They are still extremist right wingers according to the left.