All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

[P F Tinmore]

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

 

[toastman]

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

The right of return is a pipe dream

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

The right of return is a pipe dream

Maybe they should return to a nice Muslim country with no pesky Jews to ruin their fun?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
※→ P F Tinmore,

Be so kind as to help an old man out and teach me a thing or two.

Most of these Human Rights are spelled out International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD). This is where most of the "Right to (something)" is established. This is an all-encompassing "International Convention;" with (Part I) Article 5 listing more than 20 such rights by itself. (I don't believe any nations meet all these codified challenges.) Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

The right of return is a pipe dream

(QUESTION)

What article did you say that was? To make it easy, the link is found above...

(REFERENCE)

Article 5d(ii) The right to leave any country, including one's own, and to return to one's country;

(DISCUSSION)

The displacement of those persons whose normal place of residence was the territory, formerly under the Mandate of Palestine, during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, pertains to a territory that no longer exists. The ICERD did not exist in force prior to 1969.

The Article 5d(ii) ICERD applies to refugees; NOT descendants of Palestine refugees.

International Laws are not retroactive. The ICERD does not apply to anyone any condition prior to 21 December 1969, when A/RES/2106 went into force.

While the State of Israel (signatory as of 1966 and ratified in 1979) is a party to the Convention, The State of Palestine is not a party to the ICERD.

The designation "Palestine" replaced the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" effective as of 15 December 1988. Prior to the adoption of A/RES/67/19, "Palestine" was a legal entity, NOT a State and not a government. (See UN Memo UN Legal Counsel, 1 December 2012)



Most Respectfully,
R

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

There will be no "right of return." At the most, any real peace agreement will provide generous financial compensation.

 

[rylah]

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

There will be no "right of return." At the most, any real peace agreement will provide generous financial compensation.

Compensation for what, failing to wipe out Israel?

I don't remember Arabs proposing to compensate the million Jews they've expelled.
The most up to date estimate according to an investigation published just a week ago
stands at $150bil.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Article 5d(ii) ICERD applies to refugees; NOT descendants of Palestine refugees.

(ii) The right to leave any country, including one's own, and to return to one's country;

(iii) The right to nationality;​

What nationality are descendants of Palestinians? Why would they not be allowed to return to their own country?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

There will be no "right of return." At the most, any real peace agreement will provide generous financial compensation.

And the Israeli freeloaders will foot the bill to the international community.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

There will be no "right of return." At the most, any real peace agreement will provide generous financial compensation.

And the Israeli freeloaders will foot the bill to the international community.

Well, rylah just said they should not even get that, so they should be happy with whatever they do get.

 

[Hollie]

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

There will be no "right of return." At the most, any real peace agreement will provide generous financial compensation.

And the Israeli freeloaders will foot the bill to the international community.

That make no sense.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
※→ P F Tinmore,

Be so kind as to help an old man out and teach me a thing or two.

Most of these Human Rights are spelled out International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD). This is where most of the "Right to (something)" is established. This is an all-encompassing "International Convention;" with (Part I) Article 5 listing more than 20 such rights by itself. (I don't believe any nations meet all these codified challenges.) Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

The right of return is a pipe dream

(QUESTION)

What article did you say that was? To make it easy, the link is found above...

(REFERENCE)

Article 5d(ii) The right to leave any country, including one's own, and to return to one's country;

(DISCUSSION)

The displacement of those persons whose normal place of residence was the territory, formerly under the Mandate of Palestine, during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, pertains to a territory that no longer exists. The ICERD did not exist in force prior to 1969.

The Article 5d(ii) ICERD applies to refugees; NOT descendants of Palestine refugees.

International Laws are not retroactive. The ICERD does not apply to anyone any condition prior to 21 December 1969, when A/RES/2106 went into force.

While the State of Israel (signatory as of 1966 and ratified in 1979) is a party to the Convention, The State of Palestine is not a party to the ICERD.

The designation "Palestine" replaced the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" effective as of 15 December 1988. Prior to the adoption of A/RES/67/19, "Palestine" was a legal entity, NOT a State and not a government. (See UN Memo UN Legal Counsel, 1 December 2012)



Most Respectfully,
R

These three links:
https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/19862D03C564FA2C85257ACB004EE69B
http://palestineun.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/012-UN-Memo-regarding-67-19.pdf
OHCHR | International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

Contain a lot of inconsistencies. A lot of politics and very little law.

One example is:

Reaffirming​

the principle, set out in the Charter, of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force,​

Why is this applied to the 1967 occupied territories but not to the 1948 occupied territories?

There are more.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

There will be no "right of return." At the most, any real peace agreement will provide generous financial compensation.

And the Israeli freeloaders will foot the bill to the international community.

That make no sense.

He probably means that Israel will not pay the so-called Palestinians out-of-pocket, but will get donor nations to compensate them. But, as rylah pointed out, many Jews were expelled from various Arab countries, with only the shirts on their backs. I know of one family personally, who were expelled from Egypt.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
※→ P F Tinmore,

Be so kind as to help an old man out and teach me a thing or two.

Most of these Human Rights are spelled out International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD). This is where most of the "Right to (something)" is established. This is an all-encompassing "International Convention;" with (Part I) Article 5 listing more than 20 such rights by itself. (I don't believe any nations meet all these codified challenges.) Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

The right of return is a pipe dream

(QUESTION)

What article did you say that was? To make it easy, the link is found above...

(REFERENCE)

Article 5d(ii) The right to leave any country, including one's own, and to return to one's country;

(DISCUSSION)

The displacement of those persons whose normal place of residence was the territory, formerly under the Mandate of Palestine, during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, pertains to a territory that no longer exists. The ICERD did not exist in force prior to 1969.

The Article 5d(ii) ICERD applies to refugees; NOT descendants of Palestine refugees.

International Laws are not retroactive. The ICERD does not apply to anyone any condition prior to 21 December 1969, when A/RES/2106 went into force.

While the State of Israel (signatory as of 1966 and ratified in 1979) is a party to the Convention, The State of Palestine is not a party to the ICERD.

The designation "Palestine" replaced the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" effective as of 15 December 1988. Prior to the adoption of A/RES/67/19, "Palestine" was a legal entity, NOT a State and not a government. (See UN Memo UN Legal Counsel, 1 December 2012)



Most Respectfully,
R

These three links:
https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/19862D03C564FA2C85257ACB004EE69B
http://palestineun.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/012-UN-Memo-regarding-67-19.pdf
OHCHR | International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

Contain a lot of inconsistencies. A lot of politics and very little law.

One example is:

Reaffirming
the principle, set out in the Charter, of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force,​

Why is this applied to the 1967 occupied territories but not to the 1948 occupied territories?

There are more.

Omg, get over it already before you lose the West Bank as well!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

There will be no "right of return." At the most, any real peace agreement will provide generous financial compensation.

And the Israeli freeloaders will foot the bill to the international community.

That make no sense.

He probably means that Israel will not pay the so-called Palestinians out-of-pocket, but will get donor nations to compensate them. But, as rylah pointed out, many Jews were expelled from various Arab countries, with only the shirts on their backs. I know of one family personally, who were expelled from Egypt.

That is an issue with other countries. The Palestinians had nothing to do with that.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Article 5d(ii) ICERD applies to refugees; NOT descendants of Palestine refugees.

(ii) The right to leave any country, including one's own, and to return to one's country;

(iii) The right to nationality;​

What nationality are descendants of Palestinians? Why would they not be allowed to return to their own country?

What nationality are descendants of Palestinians?

Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian, Saudi, Lebanese.....etc

Why would they not be allowed to return to their own country?

They don't have a country. And they're assholes.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ ForeverYoung436, et al,

The Israeli Border Police will validate their parking.

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

There will be no "right of return." At the most, any real peace agreement will provide generous financial compensation.

(COMMENT)

But any compensation from Israel to (some yet TBD category of) Arab Palestinian would be an admission of guilt (for something yet TBD).


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
※→ P F Tinmore,

Be so kind as to help an old man out and teach me a thing or two.

Most of these Human Rights are spelled out International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD). This is where most of the "Right to (something)" is established. This is an all-encompassing "International Convention;" with (Part I) Article 5 listing more than 20 such rights by itself. (I don't believe any nations meet all these codified challenges.) Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

The right of return is a pipe dream

(QUESTION)

What article did you say that was? To make it easy, the link is found above...

(REFERENCE)

Article 5d(ii) The right to leave any country, including one's own, and to return to one's country;

(DISCUSSION)

The displacement of those persons whose normal place of residence was the territory, formerly under the Mandate of Palestine, during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, pertains to a territory that no longer exists. The ICERD did not exist in force prior to 1969.

The Article 5d(ii) ICERD applies to refugees; NOT descendants of Palestine refugees.

International Laws are not retroactive. The ICERD does not apply to anyone any condition prior to 21 December 1969, when A/RES/2106 went into force.

While the State of Israel (signatory as of 1966 and ratified in 1979) is a party to the Convention, The State of Palestine is not a party to the ICERD.

The designation "Palestine" replaced the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" effective as of 15 December 1988. Prior to the adoption of A/RES/67/19, "Palestine" was a legal entity, NOT a State and not a government. (See UN Memo UN Legal Counsel, 1 December 2012)



Most Respectfully,
R

These three links:
A/RES/67/19 of 4 December 2012
http://palestineun.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/012-UN-Memo-regarding-67-19.pdf
OHCHR | International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

Contain a lot of inconsistencies. A lot of politics and very little law.

One example is:

Reaffirming
the principle, set out in the Charter, of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force,​

Why is this applied to the 1967 occupied territories but not to the 1948 occupied territories?

There are more.

<———— this is where your cut and paste opinions regarding international law get dumped.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ ForeverYoung436, et al,

The Israeli Border Police will validate their parking.

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

There will be no "right of return." At the most, any real peace agreement will provide generous financial compensation.

(COMMENT)

But any compensation from Israel to (some yet TBD category of) Arab Palestinian would be an admission of guilt (for something yet TBD).


Most Respectfully,
R

I'll have to think about that one.

 

[RoccoR]

::RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You did not read my Posting very well.

The Article 5d(ii) ICERD applies to refugees; NOT descendants of Palestine refugees.

(ii) The right to leave any country, including one's own, and to return to one's country;

(iii) The right to nationality;​

What nationality are descendants of Palestinians? Why would they not be allowed to return to their own country?

(COMMENT)

Today, they are citizens of the ad hoc State of Palestine (the remainder of the former Mandate territory) West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Jerusalem.

Q: What nationality are descendants of Palestinians?

A: Well → they were NOT displaced from Israel... (So that is not their country to which they would return anyway.) There was no Israel between 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948. The actual refugees were displaced from the Territory under the Mandate of Palestine.

• The Refugees and their Decendents were given Jordanian Citizenship between 1950 and 1988.
• In 1988, the Palestine Liberation Organization declared independence, but had no independent citizenship. (Again, see the Memo)
• The decendents were born outside of Israel, in the remainder of the territory formerly under the Mandate. Thus, they don't get to border cross; they are already in their country (dubious term) of birth. They stay or return to the territory of their birth. If they were not truly displaced from Israel, then they do not get to cross the border into a country form which they were NOT born.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
※→ P F Tinmore,

Be so kind as to help an old man out and teach me a thing or two.

Most of these Human Rights are spelled out International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD). This is where most of the "Right to (something)" is established. This is an all-encompassing "International Convention;" with (Part I) Article 5 listing more than 20 such rights by itself. (I don't believe any nations meet all these codified challenges.) Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Oddly enough the "Right of Return" is not mentioned.

Yes it is.

The right of return is a pipe dream

(QUESTION)

What article did you say that was? To make it easy, the link is found above...

(REFERENCE)

Article 5d(ii) The right to leave any country, including one's own, and to return to one's country;

(DISCUSSION)

The displacement of those persons whose normal place of residence was the territory, formerly under the Mandate of Palestine, during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, pertains to a territory that no longer exists. The ICERD did not exist in force prior to 1969.

The Article 5d(ii) ICERD applies to refugees; NOT descendants of Palestine refugees.

International Laws are not retroactive. The ICERD does not apply to anyone any condition prior to 21 December 1969, when A/RES/2106 went into force.

While the State of Israel (signatory as of 1966 and ratified in 1979) is a party to the Convention, The State of Palestine is not a party to the ICERD.

The designation "Palestine" replaced the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" effective as of 15 December 1988. Prior to the adoption of A/RES/67/19, "Palestine" was a legal entity, NOT a State and not a government. (See UN Memo UN Legal Counsel, 1 December 2012)



Most Respectfully,
R

These three links:
A/RES/67/19 of 4 December 2012
http://palestineun.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/012-UN-Memo-regarding-67-19.pdf
OHCHR | International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

Contain a lot of inconsistencies. A lot of politics and very little law.

One example is:

Reaffirming
the principle, set out in the Charter, of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force,​

Why is this applied to the 1967 occupied territories but not to the 1948 occupied territories?

There are more.

We should know why they lie inconsistently?
Haters of Israel are neither known for honesty,
nor much healthy individuals overall.