All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

[toomuchtime_]

Stop building without permits......

Why do Palestinians need to get building permits from foreign assholes to build on their own land?

There is no rational basis in fact or logic for calling it their land. Land ownership and political control of land is determined by law and treaty and area C is under Israeli control by treaty with the Palestinians, the same treaty which gave the Palestinians civil and security control of area and civil control of area B.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Dutch NGO appeals to ‘passive’ ICC: open investigation into Israeli war crimes

A Dutch NGO has released an urgent appeal for the International Criminal Court (ICC) to take action on Israeli violations of Palestinian human rights, in protest of what the group called the court’s
“passive” approach.

The Rights Forum, an organization “committed to a fair and sustainable Dutch and European policy on the Palestine/Israel issue,” announced earlier this week that it was delivering its
appeal with the support of 185 organizations from 25 countries.

“Without further delay, investigate possible war crimes committed in Israeli-occupied Palestinian territory,” the group said in their appeal, which they delivered to Chief ICC prosecutor Fatou Bensouda at The Hague on Tuesday.

Dutch NGO appeals to ‘passive’ ICC: open investigation into Israeli war crimes – Mondoweiss

Meantime, Bensouda has announced she in interested (finally) in investigating war crimes by Palestinians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Stop building without permits......

Why do Palestinians need to get building permits from foreign assholes to build on their own land?

There is no rational basis in fact or logic for calling it their land. Land ownership and political control of land is determined by law and treaty and area C is under Israeli control by treaty with the Palestinians, the same treaty which gave the Palestinians civil and security control of area and civil control of area B.

area C is under Israeli control by treaty with the Palestinians,

A treaty can only be concluded between two states.

Why it matters on what theory of recognition my point is based they do not make clear. My point was not in any event based on any particular theory of recognition. Instead, it was simply that Israel's demand reflected an assumption on Israel's part that Palestine was a state.The fact that Israel was making such an assumption was obvious to Benjamin Netanyahu, who, as an opposition politician in 1993, objected to Rabin's agreement with Arafat (Declaration of Principles). From the floor of the Knesset, Netanyahu objected that the mutual recognition that was part and parcel of the Rabin-Arafat agreement amounted to recognition by Israel of the Palestine state.

Netanyahu was correct. Israel had just acknowledged in writing that it considered Palestine to be a state.

http://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=mjil​

That said, no treaty can negotiate away the rights of the people. Treaties are void if they do not conform to international law.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Stop building without permits......

Why do Palestinians need to get building permits from foreign assholes to build on their own land?

There is no rational basis in fact or logic for calling it their land. Land ownership and political control of land is determined by law and treaty and area C is under Israeli control by treaty with the Palestinians, the same treaty which gave the Palestinians civil and security control of area and civil control of area B.

area C is under Israeli control by treaty with the Palestinians,

A treaty can only be concluded between two states.

Why it matters on what theory of recognition my point is based they do not make clear. My point was not in any event based on any particular theory of recognition. Instead, it was simply that Israel's demand reflected an assumption on Israel's part that Palestine was a state.The fact that Israel was making such an assumption was obvious to Benjamin Netanyahu, who, as an opposition politician in 1993, objected to Rabin's agreement with Arafat (Declaration of Principles). From the floor of the Knesset, Netanyahu objected that the mutual recognition that was part and parcel of the Rabin-Arafat agreement amounted to recognition by Israel of the Palestine state.

Netanyahu was correct. Israel had just acknowledged in writing that it considered Palestine to be a state.

http://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=mjil​

That said, no treaty can negotiate away the rights of the people. Treaties are void if they do not conform to international law.

The Oslo treaty was signed by Arafat and endorsed by the vast majority of Palestinians and lauded by the "international community. Progress to fully implement the treaty was stalled by the second intifada and by the continuing refusal of the PA to negotiate with Israel. Oslo is either in effect or void. If void, there is no legal basis for the PA to have any authority over any part of Judea or Samaria, and Israel is without any obligation to any Palestinian political entity.

There is no human right to control land. It is a civil right always defined by either law or treaty, and your argument leads to the conclusion that the Palestinians have no right to any part of the land of Judea or Samaria since there is no treaty or law that gives them such a right.

 

[Shusha]

That said, no treaty can negotiate away the rights of the people. Treaties are void if they do not conform to international law.

There is nothing about Oslo which does not conform to normative international law. Nor is there anything in Oslo which violates the rights of a people.

If you think there is, name it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Stop building without permits......

Why do Palestinians need to get building permits from foreign assholes to build on their own land?

There is no rational basis in fact or logic for calling it their land. Land ownership and political control of land is determined by law and treaty and area C is under Israeli control by treaty with the Palestinians, the same treaty which gave the Palestinians civil and security control of area and civil control of area B.

area C is under Israeli control by treaty with the Palestinians,

A treaty can only be concluded between two states.

Why it matters on what theory of recognition my point is based they do not make clear. My point was not in any event based on any particular theory of recognition. Instead, it was simply that Israel's demand reflected an assumption on Israel's part that Palestine was a state.The fact that Israel was making such an assumption was obvious to Benjamin Netanyahu, who, as an opposition politician in 1993, objected to Rabin's agreement with Arafat (Declaration of Principles). From the floor of the Knesset, Netanyahu objected that the mutual recognition that was part and parcel of the Rabin-Arafat agreement amounted to recognition by Israel of the Palestine state.

Netanyahu was correct. Israel had just acknowledged in writing that it considered Palestine to be a state.

http://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=mjil​

That said, no treaty can negotiate away the rights of the people. Treaties are void if they do not conform to international law.

A treaty can only be concluded between two states.

No state of Palestine? Ok.

 

[Shusha]

Oslo is still in effect (de jure and de facto). The only things I can think of which would make Oslo no longer in effect would be the dissolution of one of the Parties to the agreement, or a new agreement between the Parties.

 

[P F Tinmore]

That said, no treaty can negotiate away the rights of the people. Treaties are void if they do not conform to international law.

There is nothing about Oslo which does not conform to normative international law. Nor is there anything in Oslo which violates the rights of a people.

If you think there is, name it.

Israel thinks it can do anything it wants weather it is mentioned in Oslo or not. Oslo cannot permit anything that is otherwise illegal.

The wall is illegal. The settlements are illegal. Destroying property is illegal. Destroying food and water sources are illegal. And the list goes on. Israel claims "state land" when the West Bank is not part of their state.

 

[Shusha]

That said, no treaty can negotiate away the rights of the people. Treaties are void if they do not conform to international law.

There is nothing about Oslo which does not conform to normative international law. Nor is there anything in Oslo which violates the rights of a people.

If you think there is, name it.

Israel thinks it can do anything it wants weather it is mentioned in Oslo or not. Oslo cannot permit anything that is otherwise illegal.

The wall is illegal. The settlements are illegal. Destroying property is illegal. Destroying food and water sources are illegal. And the list goes on. Israel claims "state land" when the West Bank is not part of their state.

We agree, generally, that States and others can not make treaties which violate international principles of humanitarian law. Such as Treaties to commit genocide or rape women or enslave people belonging to a certain religion

That said, Oslo contains no such illegal provisions.

Security fences are not illegal. Places where people live are not illegal. Dismantling illegally built structures is not illegal. The only people destroying water and food supplies are Arab Palestinians.

And there is no way, other than Oslo, to tell where Israel ends and the “West Bank” begins so you have no way of determining, other than Oslo, what is state land of which state.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israeli settlers attack Palestinian cars with stones in West Bank

BETHLEHEM, (PIC)

Hordes of Israeli settlers on Saturday evening attacked Palestinian cars with stones near al-Jab'a village, southwest of Bethlehem.

Head of al-Jab'a's village council Diab Masha'la said that Israeli settlers attacked Palestinian vehicles with stones and rocks causing partial damages to many of them.

About 800,000 Israeli settlers live in 503 illegal outposts in the West Bank and Jerusalem, which cover over 46% of their area, and they carry out attacks on almost a daily basis against the Palestinians.

Read more at
Israeli settlers attack Palestinian cars with stones in West Bank
@Copyright The Palestinian Information Center

 

[Hollie]

Israeli settlers attack Palestinian cars with stones in West Bank

BETHLEHEM, (PIC)

Hordes of Israeli settlers on Saturday evening attacked Palestinian cars with stones near al-Jab'a village, southwest of Bethlehem.

Head of al-Jab'a's village council Diab Masha'la said that Israeli settlers attacked Palestinian vehicles with stones and rocks causing partial damages to many of them.

About 800,000 Israeli settlers live in 503 illegal outposts in the West Bank and Jerusalem, which cover over 46% of their area, and they carry out attacks on almost a daily basis against the Palestinians.

Read more at
Israeli settlers attack Palestinian cars with stones in West Bank
@Copyright The Palestinian Information Center

I don’t see “hordes”.

Is it possible the Pal’istan disinformation / propaganda service has played a cruel joke on you?

Maybe Jenna gee-had can shed some light on this.

 

[Hollie]

Each new day is an opportunity to be a bigger misfit than the day before.






Palestinian women, one holding a picture of Hamas movement chief Ismail Haniyeh, attend a mass rally marking the 32nd anniversary of the founding of Hamas on December 14, 2019, in Gaza city. (AP/Khalil Hamra)
A senior Hamas official threatened Israel if it does not remove its blockade over Gaza amid reports of progressing efforts between the terror group and the Jewish state to achieve a long term ceasefire.

“The enemy must understand that we will draw new equations if the siege is not lifted,” said Osama al-Mazimi at a rally attended by tens of thousands in Gaza City, marking the 32nd anniversary of Hamas’s founding.

 

[toastman]

Stop building without permits......

Why do Palestinians need to get building permits from foreign assholes to build on their own land?

There is no rational basis in fact or logic for calling it their land. Land ownership and political control of land is determined by law and treaty and area C is under Israeli control by treaty with the Palestinians, the same treaty which gave the Palestinians civil and security control of area and civil control of area B.

area C is under Israeli control by treaty with the Palestinians,

A treaty can only be concluded between two states.

Why it matters on what theory of recognition my point is based they do not make clear. My point was not in any event based on any particular theory of recognition. Instead, it was simply that Israel's demand reflected an assumption on Israel's part that Palestine was a state.The fact that Israel was making such an assumption was obvious to Benjamin Netanyahu, who, as an opposition politician in 1993, objected to Rabin's agreement with Arafat (Declaration of Principles). From the floor of the Knesset, Netanyahu objected that the mutual recognition that was part and parcel of the Rabin-Arafat agreement amounted to recognition by Israel of the Palestine state.

Netanyahu was correct. Israel had just acknowledged in writing that it considered Palestine to be a state.

http://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=mjil​

That said, no treaty can negotiate away the rights of the people. Treaties are void if they do not conform to international law.

Palestine doesn’t exist. So your post is void.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In a First, Palestinians Challenge Israel’s Settlement Enterprise—in a US Court

Settlers established Ofra in 1975, and it is partially built on land confiscated from the Palestinian village of Ein Yabroud. According to the CCR’s claim, Ziad Alwan, who was born in Ein Yabroud in 1969 but now lives in Chicago, cannot rent the Ofra property because he is Palestinian; he cannot set foot in it, even though his family is the rightful owner of the farmland that settlers and Airbnb are now profiting from. He holds the title deed for the land, which is listed under his father’s name and registered by the Israel Land Registry.

In a First, Palestinians Challenge Israel’s Settlement Enterprise—in a US Court

 

[rylah]

In a First, Palestinians Challenge Israel’s Settlement Enterprise—in a US Court

Settlers established Ofra in 1975, and it is partially built on land confiscated from the Palestinian village of Ein Yabroud. According to the CCR’s claim, Ziad Alwan, who was born in Ein Yabroud in 1969 but now lives in Chicago, cannot rent the Ofra property because he is Palestinian; he cannot set foot in it, even though his family is the rightful owner of the farmland that settlers and Airbnb are now profiting from. He holds the title deed for the land, which is listed under his father’s name and registered by the Israel Land Registry.

In a First, Palestinians Challenge Israel’s Settlement Enterprise—in a US Court

Pitty, I thought maybe this time they"ll finally bring up an Ottoman deed,
which they always threaten when filing a case in foreign courts but never provide, because they know it will create a precedent revealing all Jewish deeds as well - there's a reason for their hiding.

They can keep intimidating companies by making noise in the media, but what they don't reveal is that Israel doesn't issue land deeds, but rather lease deeds for up to 50 years, which can also be reversed.

What you don't understand is that by attempting to create a precedent, they also automatically give legal recognition of Israel as the sole authority in that land.

So the question remains, as with much of these cases - is intimidation of a company in the long run, strategically worth their recognition of the Israeli authority?

Israeli tourism has been reaching new records each year in the last decade,
Airbnb is a new company, that is not responsible for even 5% of it...so if this is the victory they're seeking, it's no wonder BDS-holes still don't realize how they literally boost Israeli economy with such coverage, especially in Judea Samaria.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In a First, Palestinians Challenge Israel’s Settlement Enterprise—in a US Court

Settlers established Ofra in 1975, and it is partially built on land confiscated from the Palestinian village of Ein Yabroud. According to the CCR’s claim, Ziad Alwan, who was born in Ein Yabroud in 1969 but now lives in Chicago, cannot rent the Ofra property because he is Palestinian; he cannot set foot in it, even though his family is the rightful owner of the farmland that settlers and Airbnb are now profiting from. He holds the title deed for the land, which is listed under his father’s name and registered by the Israel Land Registry.

In a First, Palestinians Challenge Israel’s Settlement Enterprise—in a US Court

Pitty, I thought maybe this time they"ll finally bring up an Ottoman deed,
which they always threaten when filing a case in foreign courts but never provide, because they know it will create a precedent revealing all Jewish deeds as well - there's a reason for their hiding.

They can keep intimidating companies by making noise in the media, but what they don't reveal is that Israel doesn't issue land deeds, but rather lease deeds for up to 50 years, which can also be reversed.

What you don't understand is that by attempting to create a precedent, they also automatically give legal recognition of Israel as the sole authority in that land.

So the question remains, as with much of these cases - is intimidation of a company in the long run, strategically worth their recognition of the Israeli authority?

Israeli tourism has been reaching new records each year in the last decade,
Airbnb is a new company, that is not responsible for even 5% of it...so if this is the victory they're seeking, it's no wonder BDS-holes still don't realize how they literally boost Israeli economy with such coverage, and especially in Judea Samaria.

They can keep intimidating companies by making noise in the media, but what they don't reveal is that Israel doesn't issue land deeds, but rather lease deeds for up to 50 years which can be reversed.

Israel steals the land from the Palestinians and leases it to the Jews.

Who is raking in the money from that scam?

 

[rylah]

In a First, Palestinians Challenge Israel’s Settlement Enterprise—in a US Court

Settlers established Ofra in 1975, and it is partially built on land confiscated from the Palestinian village of Ein Yabroud. According to the CCR’s claim, Ziad Alwan, who was born in Ein Yabroud in 1969 but now lives in Chicago, cannot rent the Ofra property because he is Palestinian; he cannot set foot in it, even though his family is the rightful owner of the farmland that settlers and Airbnb are now profiting from. He holds the title deed for the land, which is listed under his father’s name and registered by the Israel Land Registry.

In a First, Palestinians Challenge Israel’s Settlement Enterprise—in a US Court

Pitty, I thought maybe this time they"ll finally bring up an Ottoman deed,
which they always threaten when filing a case in foreign courts but never provide, because they know it will create a precedent revealing all Jewish deeds as well - there's a reason for their hiding.

They can keep intimidating companies by making noise in the media, but what they don't reveal is that Israel doesn't issue land deeds, but rather lease deeds for up to 50 years, which can also be reversed.

What you don't understand is that by attempting to create a precedent, they also automatically give legal recognition of Israel as the sole authority in that land.

So the question remains, as with much of these cases - is intimidation of a company in the long run, strategically worth their recognition of the Israeli authority?

Israeli tourism has been reaching new records each year in the last decade,
Airbnb is a new company, that is not responsible for even 5% of it...so if this is the victory they're seeking, it's no wonder BDS-holes still don't realize how they literally boost Israeli economy with such coverage, and especially in Judea Samaria.

They can keep intimidating companies by making noise in the media, but what they don't reveal is that Israel doesn't issue land deeds, but rather lease deeds for up to 50 years which can be reversed.

Israel steals the land from the Palestinians and leases it to the Jews.

Who is raking in the money from that scam?

A silly sound byte of course,
let's take Shefaram or Kfar Yassif for example, which had extensive Jewish population prior to being expelled during the Arab pogroms. Today there's not a single Jew living in Kfar Yassif, and only 1 Jewish family in Shefaram.

Israel leases lands that were owned by Jews in both - to Arabs,
who prior to that were at best tenants, and mostly recent squatters who pillaged land from other squatters that were subject to the Ottoman feudal rule, rather than owners.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The pro-Israel lobby is on the decline; let’s help it on its way
Asa Winstanley
Dec 02,2019
Senior politicians in the Western countries have been jumping from the sinking ship of the Israeli lobby. Not enough, by any means, but it is a start.

The pro-Israel lobby is on the decline; let’s help it on its way - Palestine Post 24

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OK! I'll admit that Israel has suffered a few setbacks. Yes, Turkey and some European Arab-Palestinians have expresseed some growing support for through the Palestinian writer Khaled Barakat. But countries like German have placed some political restrictions on Khaled Barakat's activities. And a few prominent personalities like Malaysian Prime Minister Dr. Mahathir Mohamad's recent speech at Columbia University, peppered with anti-Semitic innuendos. OK, so what...

It may be not all that helpful for these countries to criticize Israel [Ranking #22 on the Human Development Index (HDI)], but neither is it all that damaging.

The pro-Israel lobby is on the decline; let’s help it on its way
Asa Winstanley
Dec 02,2019
Senior politicians in the Western countries have been jumping from the sinking ship of the Israeli lobby. Not enough, by any means, but it is a start.

The pro-Israel lobby is on the decline; let’s help it on its way - Palestine Post 24

(COMMENT)

But I must remind you that these same places have their own problems and don't wish to aggravate their own domestic hostiles. For instance:

◈ Turkey: [Ranking #59 on the Human Development Index (HDI)]

✦ Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C)
✦ Kurdistan Communities Union
✦ Kurdistan Freedom Hawks
✦ Peoples' United Revolutionary Movement​

◈ Malaysia: [Ranking #61 on the Human Development Index (HDI)]

✦ Malaysia is the crossroads for Middle Eastern and North African (MENA), Southeast Asian and Central Asian Islamists. It is touched by all the major Jihadist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters. Most notably, this includes:

✦ Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL)(DAESH) and al-Qaeda (AQ).​

Remember, there is NO country in the MENA Region that ranks higher in overall development than Israel (not a single one). In fact, Israel is ranked higher on the HDI than many of Europe (France, Spain, Portugal, Italy...), the entirety of the Balkan Peninsula and the Mediterranean States. AND, there is no member of the Arab League or any Muslim Nation that ranks higher than Israel. So, what is it that these nations, which speak so critical of Israel, really want?

That is the question. Do these Arab League Muslim States and Arab Palestinians want to live on a comparable level to that of Israel (somewhere in the top 25 states somewhere in the lower two-thirds)? → Or → Do they want to be a less developed nation like every other?


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

In a First, Palestinians Challenge Israel’s Settlement Enterprise—in a US Court

Settlers established Ofra in 1975, and it is partially built on land confiscated from the Palestinian village of Ein Yabroud. According to the CCR’s claim, Ziad Alwan, who was born in Ein Yabroud in 1969 but now lives in Chicago, cannot rent the Ofra property because he is Palestinian; he cannot set foot in it, even though his family is the rightful owner of the farmland that settlers and Airbnb are now profiting from. He holds the title deed for the land, which is listed under his father’s name and registered by the Israel Land Registry.

In a First, Palestinians Challenge Israel’s Settlement Enterprise—in a US Court

Pitty, I thought maybe this time they"ll finally bring up an Ottoman deed,
which they always threaten when filing a case in foreign courts but never provide, because they know it will create a precedent revealing all Jewish deeds as well - there's a reason for their hiding.

They can keep intimidating companies by making noise in the media, but what they don't reveal is that Israel doesn't issue land deeds, but rather lease deeds for up to 50 years, which can also be reversed.

What you don't understand is that by attempting to create a precedent, they also automatically give legal recognition of Israel as the sole authority in that land.

So the question remains, as with much of these cases - is intimidation of a company in the long run, strategically worth their recognition of the Israeli authority?

Israeli tourism has been reaching new records each year in the last decade,
Airbnb is a new company, that is not responsible for even 5% of it...so if this is the victory they're seeking, it's no wonder BDS-holes still don't realize how they literally boost Israeli economy with such coverage, and especially in Judea Samaria.

They can keep intimidating companies by making noise in the media, but what they don't reveal is that Israel doesn't issue land deeds, but rather lease deeds for up to 50 years which can be reversed.

Israel steals the land from the Palestinians and leases it to the Jews.

Who is raking in the money from that scam?

What land is stolen from Arabs-Moslems? You make that nonsense claim but always fail to provide evidence.