All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

[Hollie]

Nothing. There is no dispute over what I posted.

The silly youtube videos you copy and paste are not taken seriously.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: Border Disputes
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Tinmore, just stop. All you are doing is bring forward the notion that the Arab Palestinians, such as yourself, do not know what the difference is - that distinguishes it from a Treaty or other similar document.

This claim you make that you have provided a link or legal reference, that supersedes a Treaty between two States is nonsense. No one in these past discussion groups has presented any such evidence in the record. This is especially true on this topic.

(EXCEPTION)

Relative to the territories, Israel voluntarily withdraw from the Gaza Strip in 2005, giving leeway to the various Jihadists, Fedayeen Activists, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters of that time period.

I am not going to argue with you over something you have not read.

(COMMENT)

You are only partially correct when you suggest that the four Armistice Agreements were created to cover exclusively military considerations. The 1949 Armistice Demarcation Lines were never intended to establish a political or territorial boundary, between the parties. And the Arab League had no intention (whatever) of using the Armistice Agreements in as having some permanency. None of the four Armistice Agreements survive today without having been modified or superseded by a more permanent arrangement.

Many people have claimed to have read the various Armistice Agreements, but I see many people that do not know how to apply them.

I'm still waiting to see how the powers-that-be will apply some of these unjustifiable issues. I have, for the last ten years, consistently adopted the view that the Arab Palestinians do not know what "rights" "borders," "boundaries" and "agreement → necessary for the various implementations. The Arab Palestinians would rather set the territory on fire than move toward peaceful solutions.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

This claim you make that you have provided a link or legal reference, that supersedes a Treaty between two States is nonsense.

It is. That is why I didn't say that.

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice

That said, the Armistice Agreements were not border treaties. They merely used the existing international borders, where possible, as guides to draw the Green Line.

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

this Agreement except as provided in Article III of this Agreement; and elsewhere shall not violate the international frontier;

The Green Line with Jordan was more complicated. However they did make this statement:

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions

Also from Egypt:

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.

In the Jordan and Egypt Agreements, the Negev is called Palestine. Israel signed both.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nothing. There is no dispute over what I posted.

Right, you've posted no evidence for your claims.

 

[Hollie]

It is. That is why I didn't say that.

That said, the Armistice Agreements were not border treaties. They merely used the existing international borders, where possible, as guides to draw the Green Line.



The Green Line with Jordan was more complicated. However they did make this statement:

Also from Egypt:

In the Jordan and Egypt Agreements, the Negev is called Palestine. Israel signed both.

So you agree, then. In no case did any representative from any place called Palestine sign any agreement.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: Border Disputes
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

It is. That is why I didn't say that.

That said, the Armistice Agreements were not border treaties. They merely used the existing international borders, where possible, as guides to draw the Green Line.



The Green Line with Jordan was more complicated. However they did make this statement:

Also from Egypt:

In the Jordan and Egypt Agreements, the Negev is called Palestine. Israel signed both.

(COMMENT)

I will give you half credit for the first sentence. The Armistice Lines were solely for military use in establishing the resting place.

You get another half credit. You do not understand it. The ceasefire zone was inside the containment area formed by the Green Line. You keep emphasizing the word Palestine as if that proves something. Well, it does mean something.

The term Palestine has a specific meaning. In 1949ti either meant a "legal entity" (specifically did not mean a self-governing" institution -- or -- it was defined as "

• The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine."
• Palestine today [meaning Feb 1948]will be a legal entity, but not a self-governing state." After May 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity.

This is just another example wherein the Arab Palestinians attempt to disseminate false or misleading statement, especially that which is deliberately intended to deceive the public.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

The term Palestine has a specific meaning. In 1949ti either meant a "legal entity" (specifically did not mean a self-governing" institution -- or -- it was defined as "

Indeed, NSGT. Colonial territory.

 

[Hollie]

Indeed, NSGT. Colonial territory.

Indeed, you're completely befuddled.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: Border Disputes
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I get it! It sounds so devastatingly true. And yet, it is so emphatically wrong.

Indeed, NSGT. Colonial territory.

(COMMENT)

The key to such misinformation is that a good 90% of the readership will NOT fact check.

UN Committee 24 is directly tied to the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (A/RES/ 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960).

Non-Self-Governing Territories​

Under Chapter XI of the Charter of the United Nations, the Non-Self-Governing Territories are defined as "territories whose people have not yet attained a full measure of self-government”. The General Assembly, by its resolution 66 (I) of 14 December 1946, noted a list of 72 Territories to which Chapter XI of the Charter applied. In 1963, the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the "Special Committee on Decolonization" or the "C-24") approved a preliminary list of Territories to which the Declaration applied (A/5446/Rev.1, annex I). Today, 17 Non-Self-Governing Territories, as listed below, remain on the agenda of the C-24. Member States which have or assume responsibilities for the administration of such Territories are called administering Powers.

There are only five(5) countries remaining in the world that are "Colonial Powers" and which have colonial holdings.

• The United States
• The United Kingdom
• France
• New Zealand
• Spain Relative to Western Sahara

You will note that the Arab Palestinians imply that Israel is a colonial power.

Be very careful of those Accusatory Clients that do not provide any support to their claim - or - as in this case, make these ad Hominem attacks based on unsubstantiated claims.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: Border Disputes
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I get it! It sounds so devastatingly true. And yet, it is so emphatically wrong.


(COMMENT)

The key to such misinformation is that a good 90% of the readership will NOT fact check.

UN Committee 24 is directly tied to the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (A/RES/ 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960).

Non-Self-Governing Territories​

Under Chapter XI of the Charter of the United Nations, the Non-Self-Governing Territories are defined as "territories whose people have not yet attained a full measure of self-government”. The General Assembly, by its resolution 66 (I) of 14 December 1946, noted a list of 72 Territories to which Chapter XI of the Charter applied. In 1963, the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the "Special Committee on Decolonization" or the "C-24") approved a preliminary list of Territories to which the Declaration applied (A/5446/Rev.1, annex I). Today, 17 Non-Self-Governing Territories, as listed below, remain on the agenda of the C-24. Member States which have or assume responsibilities for the administration of such Territories are called administering Powers.

There are only five(5) countries remaining in the world that are "Colonial Powers" and which have colonial holdings.

• The United States
• The United Kingdom
• France
• New Zealand
• Spain Relative to Western Sahara

You will note that the Arab Palestinians imply that Israel is a colonial power.

Be very careful of those Accusatory Clients that do not provide any support to their claim - or - as in this case, make these ad Hominem attacks based on unsubstantiated claims.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine today [meaning Feb 1948]will be a legal entity, but not a self-governing state." After May 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity.

So then, what does this mean?

There has always been a lot of chicanery when it comes to Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So then, what does this mean?

There has always been a lot of chicanery when it comes to Palestine.

10. Strongly condemns all Governments which do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

Right of peoples to self-determination - GA resolution - Question of Palestine

35/35. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights A The General Assembly, Recalling its resolutions 2649 (XXV) of 30...

www.un.org

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: Border Disputes
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Opening: Here once more, the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) are trying to spread by means of an allusive or mentally suggestive comment, taken out of context, to draw tears and sympathy from the reader.

It is very necessary for P F Tinmore's followers to take note of the dates and IF the recommendations mentioned actually have a binding effect on its members.

Strongly condemns all Governments which do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

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(NECESSARY OBSERVATION)

It is very necessary for the followers of P F Tinmore to take note of the dates. Nearly all these recommendations complaint oriented and without authority (NON-BINDING) and without the intent to take direct action. And almost all of these recommendations come in a time before (28 October 1974) the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated.

Recalling its resolutions 2649 (XXV) of 30 November 1970, 2955 (XXVII) of 12 December 1972, 3070 (XXVIII) of 30 November 1973, 3246 (XXIX) of 29 November 1974, 3382 (XXX) of 10 November 1975, 33/24 of 29 November 1978 and 34/44 of 23 November 1979, and Security Council resolutions 418 (1977) of 4 November 1977 and 437 (1978) of 10 October 1978,​

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Recalling also its resolutions 2465 (XXIII) of 20 December 1968, 2548 (XXIV) of 11 December 1969, 2708 (XXV) of 14 December 1970, 3103 (XXVIII) of 12 December 1973 and 3314 (XXIX) of 14 December 1974 concerning the use and recruitment of mercenaries against national liberation movements and sovereign States,​

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Recalling further its relevant resolutions on the question of Palestine, in particular resolutions 3236 (XXIX) and 3237 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974 and 34/65 of 29 November and 12 December 1979,​

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Recalling resolution CM/Res.788 (XXXV) on Namibia adopted by the Council of Ministers of the Organization of African Unity and its thirty-fifth ordinary session, held at Freetown from 18 to 28 June 1980, 1/​

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Taking note of the Political Declaration adopted by the First Conference of Heads of State and Government of the Organization of African Unity and the League of Arab States, held at Cairo from 7 to 9 March 1977, 2/​

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So then, what does this mean?

There has always been a lot of chicanery when it comes to Palestine.​

(COMMENT)

What authority do the HoAP have to interfere in the Israeli defense against the HoAP Armed Struggle?

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Israel did not deny the HoAP the "right to self-determination."

The Israelis are NOT obligated to give the HoAP any assistance in the "Armed Struggle."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

There are only five(5) countries remaining in the world that are "Colonial Powers" and which have colonial holdings.

• The United States
• The United Kingdom
• France
• New Zealand
• Spain Relative to Western Sahara

Notice that South Africa is not listed as a colonial power.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: Border Disputes
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Opening: Here once more, the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) are trying to spread by means of an allusive or mentally suggestive comment, taken out of context, to draw tears and sympathy from the reader.

It is very necessary for P F Tinmore's followers to take note of the dates and IF the recommendations mentioned actually have a binding effect on its members.

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(NECESSARY OBSERVATION)

It is very necessary for the followers of P F Tinmore to take note of the dates. Nearly all these recommendations complaint oriented and without authority (NON-BINDING) and without the intent to take direct action. And almost all of these recommendations come in a time before (28 October 1974) the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated.

Recalling its resolutions 2649 (XXV) of 30 November 1970, 2955 (XXVII) of 12 December 1972, 3070 (XXVIII) of 30 November 1973, 3246 (XXIX) of 29 November 1974, 3382 (XXX) of 10 November 1975, 33/24 of 29 November 1978 and 34/44 of 23 November 1979, and Security Council resolutions 418 (1977) of 4 November 1977 and 437 (1978) of 10 October 1978,​

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Recalling also its resolutions 2465 (XXIII) of 20 December 1968, 2548 (XXIV) of 11 December 1969, 2708 (XXV) of 14 December 1970, 3103 (XXVIII) of 12 December 1973 and 3314 (XXIX) of 14 December 1974 concerning the use and recruitment of mercenaries against national liberation movements and sovereign States,​

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Recalling further its relevant resolutions on the question of Palestine, in particular resolutions 3236 (XXIX) and 3237 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974 and 34/65 of 29 November and 12 December 1979,​

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Recalling resolution CM/Res.788 (XXXV) on Namibia adopted by the Council of Ministers of the Organization of African Unity and its thirty-fifth ordinary session, held at Freetown from 18 to 28 June 1980, 1/​

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Taking note of the Political Declaration adopted by the First Conference of Heads of State and Government of the Organization of African Unity and the League of Arab States, held at Cairo from 7 to 9 March 1977, 2/​

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(COMMENT)

What authority do the HoAP have to interfere in the Israeli defense against the HoAP Armed Struggle?

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Israel did not deny the HoAP the "right to self-determination."

The Israelis are NOT obligated to give the HoAP any assistance in the "Armed Struggle."

Most Respectfully,
R

Recalling further its relevant resolutions on the question of Palestine, in particular resolutions 3236 (XXIX) and 3237 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974 and 34/65 of 29 November and 12 December 1979,

Considering that the activities of Israel, in particular the denial to the Palestinian people of their right to self-determination and independence, constitute a serious and increasing threat to international peace and security,

Indignant at the continued violations of the human rights of the peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, the continuation of the illegal occupation of Namibia and South Africa’s attempts to dismember its territory the perpetuation of the racist minority régime in southern Africa and the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights,

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

10. Strongly condemns all Governments which do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

12. Further condemns the expansionist activities of Israel in the Middle East, as well as the continuous bombing of civilian Arab and in particular, Palestinian populations and the destruction of their villages and encampments, which constitute a serious obstacle to the realization of self-determination and independence of the Palestinian people;

13. Urges all States, specialized agencies, competent organizations of the United Nations system and other international organizations to extend their support to the Palestinian people through its representative, the Palestinian Liberation Organization, in its struggle to restore its right to self-determination and independence in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations;

What authority do the HoAP have to interfere in the Israeli defense against the HoAP Armed Struggle?

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Israel did not deny the HoAP the "right to self-determination."

The Israelis are NOT obligated to give the HoAP any assistance in the "Armed Struggle."

The UN says something quite different than you do.

Do you have any links to your assertions?

 

[Hollie]

Notice that South Africa is not listed as a colonial power.

Notice that Israel is not listed as a colonial power.

 

[Hollie]

Recalling further its relevant resolutions on the question of Palestine, in particular resolutions 3236 (XXIX) and 3237 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974 and 34/65 of 29 November and 12 December 1979,

Considering that the activities of Israel, in particular the denial to the Palestinian people of their right to self-determination and independence, constitute a serious and increasing threat to international peace and security,

Indignant at the continued violations of the human rights of the peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, the continuation of the illegal occupation of Namibia and South Africa’s attempts to dismember its territory the perpetuation of the racist minority régime in southern Africa and the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights,

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

10. Strongly condemns all Governments which do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

12. Further condemns the expansionist activities of Israel in the Middle East, as well as the continuous bombing of civilian Arab and in particular, Palestinian populations and the destruction of their villages and encampments, which constitute a serious obstacle to the realization of self-determination and independence of the Palestinian people;

13. Urges all States, specialized agencies, competent organizations of the United Nations system and other international organizations to extend their support to the Palestinian people through its representative, the Palestinian Liberation Organization, in its struggle to restore its right to self-determination and independence in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations;


The UN says something quite different than you do.

Do you have any links to your assertions?

The UN has a Charter. How nice. So does the Islamic terrorist franchise known as Hamas.

 

[Hollie]

Considering that the activities of Israel, in particular the denial to the Palestinian people of their right to self-determination and independence, constitute a serious and increasing threat to international peace and security,

How is Israel denying the Islamic terrorist entity the right of self determination?

Link to relevant examples?

 

[rylah]

Indeed, NSGT. Colonial territory.

Whatever, Israel is not listed,

both Morocco and the US are on the list.

Non-Self-Governing Territories | The United Nations and Decolonization

Non-Self-Governing Territories Under Chapter XI of the Charter of the United Nations, the Non-Self-Governing Territories are defined as "territories whose people have not yet attained a full measure of self-government”. The General Assembly, by its resolution 66 (I) of 14 December 1946, noted a...

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[rylah]

So then, what does this mean?

There has always been a lot of chicanery when it comes to Palestine.

It means Arab imperialists must say something,
to compensate for the lost sense of pride.

A Note on Arabic Literacy and Translation

Discover the impact of illiteracy and translation limitations in the Arab world. Learn how increasing access to education and literature can help.

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[rylah]

Notice that South Africa is not listed as a colonial power.

Must be one of your most ridiculous lines of argument so far.

And if it was listed - what does it mean?

Explain this.