All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss 2

[P F Tinmore]

Her father was a Palestinian refugee. The habit is to call all Arabs who fled, Palestinians, even their descendants.

Only people on the planet who do that.

Does that mean that my gardener's son is not Mexican?

 

[P F Tinmore]

There are a lot of good people in Israel. It is the government that sucks. Just like most every country in the world.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: RoR
※→ surada, et al,

Not really.. Lots of Israelis have sought residence in Germany and dual citizzenship..

(COMMENT)

Many countries have regulatory requirements on Dual Citizenship. It is a domestic issue.

What is the intention:

Article 2(7) Chapter 1, UN Charter says:​

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Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter VII.​

The protects every state against the UN coming in and rewriting domestic law.

Only the Palestinians are denied the right of return.

(COMMENT)

Again, there is no blanket Right of Return (RoR). That is especially true in the case of the Arab Palestinians that may turn hostile on remote command. Under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) there are exceptions in addition to restrictions that the International Community is NOT "authorized to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction." Additionally, the restrictions have exceptions when they "are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant."

There is absolutely no international authority to force immigration, and there is every reason to believe that the Arab Palestinian may adopt or provide support for "armed struggle." The Arab Palestinians must comply with German Laws pertaining to domestic laws on German citizenship, naturalization, and immigration.

( ∑ )

The Arab Palestinians pull that crap about the RoR as if there is some banket law that says forced immigration is authorized. Well, there is not. The UN regardless of the number of General Assembly Resolutions that address this RoR issue, may not intervene in matters of Domestic Law. ( Ω )

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: RoR
※→ surada, et al,

(COMMENT)

Many countries have regulatory requirements on Dual Citizenship. It is a domestic issue.

What is the intention:

Article 2(7) Chapter 1, UN Charter says:​

​

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter VII.​

The protects every state against the UN coming in and rewriting domestic law.


(COMMENT)

Again, there is no blanket Right of Return (RoR). That is especially true in the case of the Arab Palestinians that may turn hostile on remote command. Under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) there are exceptions in addition to restrictions that the International Community is NOT "authorized to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction." Additionally, the restrictions have exceptions when they "are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant."

There is absolutely no international authority to force immigration, and there is every reason to believe that the Arab Palestinian may adopt or provide support for "armed struggle." The Arab Palestinians must comply with German Laws pertaining to domestic laws on German citizenship, naturalization, and immigration.

( ∑ )

The Arab Palestinians pull that crap about the RoR as if there is some banket law that says forced immigration is authorized. Well, there is not. The UN regardless of the number of General Assembly Resolutions that address this RoR issue, may not intervene in matters of Domestic Law. ( Ω )

Most Respectfully,
R

There is absolutely no international authority to force immigration,

Citizens returning home is not immigration.

 

[Hollie]

You are full of crap.

Most of Palestine's economic assets have been stolen, bombed or bulldozed by Israel. There are few opportunities left.

Your usual excuses for Pally failures and incompetence.

 

[Hollie]

Citizens returning home is not immigration.

Citizens. It will hurt but try thinking about what that term means.



There's always youtube.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Citizens. It will hurt but try thinking about what that term means.



There's always youtube.

Israel invoked Resolution 181 in its declaration of independence. Resolution 181 stated that all Palestinian citizens who normally live in the territory that becomes the Jewish state shall become citizens of the Jewish state. IOW, Palestinian refugees are citizens of Israel.

 

[Hollie]

Israel invoked Resolution 181 in its declaration of independence. Resolution 181 stated that all Palestinian citizens who normally live in the territory that becomes the Jewish state shall become citizens of the Jewish state. IOW, Palestinian refugees are citizens of Israel.

181 was never implemented, remember?

So, there's that.

Stop whining.

 

[rylah]

Israel invoked Resolution 181 in its declaration of independence. Resolution 181 stated that all Palestinian citizens who normally live in the territory that becomes the Jewish state shall become citizens of the Jewish state. IOW, Palestinian refugees are citizens of Israel.

IOW, only Arab supremacists would imagine
they deserve citizenship for failing to destroy a country.
But then again, making sense and reading isn't their strong side...

A Note on Arabic Literacy and Translation

Discover the impact of illiteracy and translation limitations in the Arab world. Learn how increasing access to education and literature can help.

www.altalang.com

 

[rylah]

The Arab world’s silent reproductive revolution​

“Most Arab families want to have two to three children at most,” Marcia Inhorn, the author of a 2018 study from Yale University that explained the unprecedented decline in fertility rates".

The phenomenon, which first started in 1975, has occurred without “major economic development or strong family planning programs”, according to the study.

When total fertility rates were first recorded in the 1975–1980 period, women in all 17 Arab nations showed rates far exceeding the world average at that time, which was 3.85 children per woman, according to Inhorn’s study.

Today, only three Arab countries, Egypt, Jordan, and Yemen, have a total fertility rate above three.

Dramatic drop in Arab world’s fertility rate

Changing household structures, economic growth and contraceptives prompt dramatic drop in fertility rate, study finds.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[rylah]

Miss India wins Miss Universe held in Israel

EILAT: Miss India Harnaaz Sandhu was crowned Miss Universe in the Israeli city of Eilat early Monday, with several contestants defying pressure to boycott in support of the Palestinians. The 70th edition of the annual pageant, held in Israel for the first time, has also faced complications from...

www.arabnews.com

The widening and deepening of Israel-India ties - analysis

Multiple Indian officials have visited Israel in the last few weeks - where are relations headed?

www.jpost.com

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: RoR
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Citizens returning home is not immigration.

(COMMENT)

So, you are saying that all the people turned down now were living in Israel 70 years ago (feet on the ground)?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Esdraelon]

Why fund an agency whose entire purpose is to perpetuate the problem it is supposedly meant to fix? The number of people it has to feed and house and educate according to its mandate will continue to grow year after year according to its skewed definition of "refugee" where even full citizens of other countries and their descendants remain "refugees" forever.

Add to this the regular claims of Israel committing "genocide". If they are, they're damned ineffective at it. That population grows every year and the worst health problems they have are diabetes secondary to obesity.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: RoR
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

(COMMENT)

So, you are saying that all the people turned down now were living in Israel 70 years ago (feet on the ground)?

Most Respectfully,
R

John McCain was born in Panama. Ted Cruze was born in Canada.

Both qualified to run for president.

Similarly, Arafat's father, who happened to be working in Egypt at the time, was Palestinian. His siblings were born in Palestine. Arafat was Palestinian.

 

[Hollie]

John McCain was born in Panama. Ted Cruze was born in Canada.

Both qualified to run for president.

Similarly, Arafat's father, who happened to be working in Egypt at the time, was Palestinian. His siblings were born in Palestine. Arafat was Palestinian.

Arafat's rather was a citizen of the ''counrty of Pal'istan'' invented by the Treaty of Lausanne in 1924?

Link?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: RoR
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Avoiding the Question​

The Fallacy of Avoiding the Question is a type of Fallacy of Avoiding the Issue that occurs when the issue is how to answer some question. The fallacy occurs when someone’s answer doesn’t really respond to the question asked. The fallacy is also called “Changing the Question.”

So, you are saying that all the people turned down now were living in Israel 70 years ago (feet on the ground)?

John McCain was born in Panama. Ted Cruze was born in Canada.

Both qualified to run for president.

Similarly, Arafat's father, who happened to be working in Egypt at the time, was Palestinian. His siblings were born in Palestine. Arafat was Palestinian.

(COMMENT)

The case of John McCain and Ted Cruise relative to citizenship is a matter of US Domestic Jurisdiction.

It is my understanding that Yasser Arafat was never an Israeli Citizen. Neither parent ever held Israeli Citizenship. Israeli Citizenship is a matter of Israeli Domestic Law.

Any person, anywhere in the world, can make an "application" for Israeli Citizenship. It is up to the Israelis to determine who qualifies (meets the criteria without exception) as a citizen. BUT, if you had your feet on the ground in 1948 when Israel was created, you might have a good case.

Who is, or is not, an American Citizen is simply NOT applicable in the case for Israeli Citizenship.

I suspect that most of the people in the Middle East, that actually wanted Israeli Citizenship, and qualified for citizenship, have received their citizenship already. the "Right of Return" (RoR) under Israeli Law means something different than does the Human Rights Law (HRL) under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) expresses.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: RoR
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Avoiding the Question​

The Fallacy of Avoiding the Question is a type of Fallacy of Avoiding the Issue that occurs when the issue is how to answer some question. The fallacy occurs when someone’s answer doesn’t really respond to the question asked. The fallacy is also called “Changing the Question.”



(COMMENT)

The case of John McCain and Ted Cruise relative to citizenship is a matter of US Domestic Jurisdiction.

It is my understanding that Yasser Arafat was never an Israeli Citizen. Neither parent ever held Israeli Citizenship. Israeli Citizenship is a matter of Israeli Domestic Law.

Any person, anywhere in the world, can make an "application" for Israeli Citizenship. It is up to the Israelis to determine who qualifies (meets the criteria without exception) as a citizen. BUT, if you had your feet on the ground in 1948 when Israel was created, you might have a good case.

Who is, or is not, an American Citizen is simply NOT applicable in the case for Israeli Citizenship.

I suspect that most of the people in the Middle East, that actually wanted Israeli Citizenship, and qualified for citizenship, have received their citizenship already. the "Right of Return" (RoR) under Israeli Law means something different than does the Human Rights Law (HRL) under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) expresses.

Most Respectfully,
R

Citizenship is territorial. The name of the place may change but it is the same place.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Citizenship is territorial. The name of the place may change but it is the same place.

Egypt is not Israel. Arafat was not born in Israel.
Citizenship is whatever a country decides.

Just look at how Jordan gives and then takes citizenship from the Arabs who fled the war in 1948.

Just look at how the Arab who fled that war are treated in Lebanon, or Syria.

Arafat was born in Cairo, Egypt in 1929. It does not make him a Palestinian regardless of his parents coming from there, or Wikepedia or any other sources suddenly saying that he is one because he became the Arab Palestinians leader. Where did his parents come from before Palestine? Were they some of the many who moved to Palestine for jobs offered by Jews who were working to re construct the Jewish Nation? I would like to know.

They are still all Arabs. Their indigenous land is called the Arabian Peninsula. One day in the future when the Arabs suddenly lose control of that Peninsula, and anything can happen, they will be crying for their indigenous land and how it was taken from them. And THAT is the only indigenous land they have the right to cry and fight for.

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Arafat was born to Palestinian parents in Cairo, Egypt, where he spent most of his youth and studied at the University of King Fuad I. While a student, he embraced Arab nationalist and anti-Zionist ideas. Opposed to the 1948 creation of the State of Israel, he fought alongside the Muslim Brotherhoodduring the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Returning to Cairo, he served as president of the General Union of Palestinian Students from 1952 to 1956. In the latter part of the 1950s he co-founded Fatah, a paramilitary organisation seeking the removal of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian state. Fatah operated within several Arab countries, from where it launched attacks on Israeli targets. In the latter part of the 1960s Arafat's profile grew; in 1967 he joined the PLO and in 1969 was elected chair of the Palestinian National Council (PNC). Fatah's growing presence in Jordan resulted in military clashes with King Hussein's Jordanian government and in the early 1970s it relocated to Lebanon. There, Fatah assisted the Lebanese National Movement during the Lebanese Civil War and continued its attacks on Israel, resulting in it becoming a major target of Israel's 1978 and 1982 invasions.

From 1983 to 1993, Arafat based himself in Tunisia, and began to shift his approach from open conflict with the Israelis to negotiation. In 1988, he acknowledged Israel's right to exist and sought a two-state solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. In 1994 he returned to Palestine, settling in Gaza City and promoting self-governance for the Palestinian territories. He engaged in a series of negotiations with the Israeli government to end the conflict between it and the PLO.

Yasser Arafat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Sixties Fan]

In 2001, a Palestinian sniper took aim, targeted and shot ten month old Shalhevet Pass in the head, as she sat next to her father in a Hebron playground.

The reason? Because she was Jewish.

Two weeks ago, Amos Schocken, publisher of Haaretz, wrote a shockingly disgusting tweet:

Shalhevet Pass was killed due to the irresponsibility of her parents, who thought it possible to bring up children in an embattled environment, and of the Welfare Ministry, which in a normal country would have removed children from war zones.

Don't mention the Fatah sniper that killed her. No, the enlightened Left expect Palestinians to be targeting babies. To them, Palestinians can't help themselves - these arbiters of morality consider Palestinians animals and if they attack children, it is the fault of the parents for allowing them to live near the animals.

To make the accusation even more grotesque, the Palestinian Authority originally denied that Shalhevet was murdered by a Palestinian. They claimed that her mother murdered her. Now the publisher of an Israeli newspaper is pretty much saying the same thing, redoubling the pain of a bereaved mother. But it's OK - he's on the side of morality and enlightenment, unlike the primitive Jews who still care about their second holiest city.

How about the parents of children who live in Sderot or Ashkelon, within range of Hamas rockets? Are they irresponsible too? Oh, yes, all of Israel is now in range of Hamas and Hezbollah rockets - so all parents must leave, right?

Schocken has come under deserved criticism and fired back with an entire column in Haaretz where he defends himself, badly.

Schocken says that there is a difference between Hebron and Sderot. His proof? "The UN Security Council, with the participation of Israel’s best friends, determined in December 2016 that any Israeli civilian presence beyond the 1967 Green Line, in the occupied territories, is illegal."

Notice how he moves the goalposts. Originally his criteria for bad parenting was raising kids in an "embattled environment" which has nothing to do with national borders. Now he says that it has to do with whether they live somewhere legally. And even then he is wrong - people moving voluntarily to the territories do not violate any laws. The people who attack them, do.

This also means that according to this moral arbiter, Jewish parents who live across the Green Line in Jerusalem are also irresponsible. That visiting the Kotel is a violation of international law. The rebuilding the Hurva synagogue in the Old City was an act of illegal settlement. Jews should remain in Tel Aviv and Haifa, and all Jewish holy places properly belong to those who would ban Jews from visiting.

Schocken, sensing that his main argument has no merit, then tries to change the subject and says that anyone who thinks that Jews should be allowed to live across the Green Line supports apartheid. He adds that all of Israel is an apartheid state anyway, guaranteeing adulation from the Israel haters.

And then Schocken claims that he is the real Zionist, he who is willing to give away everything Jewish about Israel. Jews who want to ensure access to historic Jewish sites are criminals who support racism and apartheid.

(full article online)

Ha'aretz publisher Amos Schocken's grotesque tweet blaming the victims of Arab terror

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Last month, Israel and Jordan signed a declaration of intent for a water-for-energy deal, where Jordan would build export 600 megawatts of power generated by new solar generators in the desert, and Israel providing 200 million cubic meters of desalinated water.

Today, the deal was debated in the Jordanian parliament, where it was opposed by many. There were complaints that Jordan should investigate other alternatives rather than deal with Israel.

The most insane comment came from representative Suleiman Abu Yahya, who said: "There are two reasons for announcing this treaty, the first is the announced lack of water, and the second is our possession of a power source, and the enemy's possession of a water source. But the occupation does not have any energy problem, and it is possible that they put poison in the water coming to us. We cannot trust the water coming from the occupation.”

Jews poisoning the wells? Sounds familiar.

It sounds like Mr. Abu Yahya does not trust his own government to test the water that its people would drink. If a member of Parliament doesn't trust his own water authority with something so basic, it would probably be a good idea to only drink bottled water when visiting Jordan.

Jordanian MP thinks Jews might put poison in water coming from Israel

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com