All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss 2

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The Palestinian Paradox
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I was expecting your Israelcentric response.

From people like the Rothschilds to little blue boxes and help from the British. Golda Meir going to the US to mooch money for their upcoming war.

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There is quite a bit of difference between making sure that the United States has a strategic partner in the region that has an operational capacity with a “qualitative military edge” (QME). Between the time that David Ben-Gurion, Head of the Jewish Agency, became Israel’s first Prime Minister (PM), and today (1946 - 2018 ≈ 71 years 8 almost three-quarters of a century), the obligated US aid to Israel was ≈ $236B (adjusted for inflation)...

The US cultivates the Israelis as an independent intelligence and security foothold in a land of loosely knit countries that hold/control 55% -to- 65% of the world's oil reserves. The United States has some very important commercial, economic, political/diplomatic, and military interests. The US has not broken the dependence on oil.
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Israel relieved the Palestinians of their money and jewelry then robbed the banks.

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There was no "robbery" involved. This is misinformation intended to deceive the reader. Israel carried out the IAW 1999 International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism...

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• Feb. 26, 2004

Israeli forces raided Arab banks on Wednesday in Ramallah, on the West Bank, seizing millions of dollars representing hundreds of institutional and personal accounts that Israel said were financing Palestinian terrorism.

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Israel stole a fully functional country with cities, ports, roads, farms, furnished houses, etc..

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This is more misinformation.

...APPLIED TO UNITED NATIONS PALESTINE COMMISSION FOR RECOGNITION AS PROVISIONAL COUNCIL GOVERNMENT UNDER PART ONE B FOUR OF RESOLUTION OF GENERAL ASSEMBLY ON NOVEMBER 29TH 1947...

Israel gets massive financial and military aid. Gets sweetheart corporate deals. Gets tax deductible "charity" donations for illegal settlements.

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This assertion that the Settlements are illegal has yet to be reloved and is not likely to be resolved anytime soon.

With what what Israel has stolen and mooched Haiti wound be a prosperous country.

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ad Hominem

Nice rant, now what part of my post is not true?

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.As indicated above.
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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The Palestinian Paradox
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


(COMMENT)

There is quite a bit of difference between making sure that the United States has a strategic partner in the region that has an operational capacity with a “qualitative military edge” (QME). Between the time that David Ben-Gurion, Head of the Jewish Agency, became Israel’s first Prime Minister (PM), and today (1946 - 2018 ≈ 71 years 8 almost three-quarters of a century), the obligated US aid to Israel was ≈ $236B (adjusted for inflation)...

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The US cultivates the Israelis as an independent intelligence and security foothold in a land of loosely knit countries that hold/control 55% -to- 65% of the world's oil reserves. The United States has some very important commercial, economic, political/diplomatic, and military interests. The US has not broken the dependence on oil.

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(COMMENT)

There was no "robbery" involved. This is misinformation intended to deceive the reader. Israel carried out the IAW 1999 International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism...

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This is more misinformation.



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This assertion that the Settlements are illegal has yet to be reloved and is not likely to be resolved anytime soon.

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ad Hominem


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.As indicated above.
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Most Respectfully,
R

And the odd thing is that Jewish Settlements is illegal, but expelling Jews from their homes from 1920 to 1948 is not, to this day.

Which is what calling the settlements illegal is supposed to eventually lead to, again. More expulsions of Jews from their homes, from their own homeland.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is odd to me, and many other people, that wiith all the money Gaza and the PA have received from the USA, EU, Qatar and others, that to this day they have not built an Electricity Power Company as countries or territories actually do.

Jordan has one:

https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.the_jordanian_electric_power_company_limited.9604b7ca3a2aa2d6dc677ed0ec3dfbbe.html

Why, with all the money that has been pouring into Gaza, and the talent that exists in Gaza, is that area still relying on Israel for its power?

Who provides electricity to Gaza? :

The Gaza Strip is reliant upon Israel for most of its supply of electricity, although there is one internal plant. The current aggression has led to residents receiving only three to four hours of electricity per day, with periods of as long as 20 hours with no supply at all.May 18, 2021

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Why Gaza has issues with power?

For the past decade, the Gaza Strip has suffered from a chronic electricity deficit, which undermined already fragile living conditions. The situation has further deteriorated since April 2017 in the context of disputes between the de facto authorities in Gaza and the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority. The ongoing power shortage has severely affected the availability of essential services, particularly health, water and sanitation services, and undermined Gaza’s fragile economy, particularly the manufacturing and agriculture sectors.

The data presented in the following charts is provided to OCHA on a daily basis by the Gaza Electricity Distribution Company (GEDCO), the official body in charge of electricity supply in the Gaza Strip. The variation in electricity demand per day is estimated based on the temperatures recorded on that day.

United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - occupied Palestinian territory | Electricity in the Gaza Strip

For the past decade, the Gaza Strip has suffered from a chronic electricity deficit, which undermined already fragile living conditions. The situation has further deteriorated since April 2017 in the context of disputes between the de facto authorities in Gaza and the West Bank-based Palestinian...

www.ochaopt.org

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Why is the Palestinian Authority still dependent on Israel for electricity with all the money it has received from all sources, which not only would have taken care of Haiti, but many other needy countries in Africa and elsewhere ? :

The Israel Electric Corporation has given the Palestinian Authority control over three West Bank power substations – in Tarqumiyah, near Hebron, Qalandiyah, between Jerusalem and Ramallah, and Nablus. They join a fourth in Jenin, which was transferred to Palestinian control in 2017 following lengthy negotiations.

Israel gives Palestinian Authority control over three West Bank power stations

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www.haaretz.com

American Samoa, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, etc have to have their own Electric Power Companies to provide electricity, etc to their people. Why does Gaza and the PA continue to be behind all of that ?

Where has most of the money gone, which had been donated to Gaza and the PA?

Do you have an answer to that , Tinmore?

Sure, Israel controls all of the development in the territories.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The Palestinian Paradox
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


(COMMENT)

There is quite a bit of difference between making sure that the United States has a strategic partner in the region that has an operational capacity with a “qualitative military edge” (QME). Between the time that David Ben-Gurion, Head of the Jewish Agency, became Israel’s first Prime Minister (PM), and today (1946 - 2018 ≈ 71 years 8 almost three-quarters of a century), the obligated US aid to Israel was ≈ $236B (adjusted for inflation)...

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The US cultivates the Israelis as an independent intelligence and security foothold in a land of loosely knit countries that hold/control 55% -to- 65% of the world's oil reserves. The United States has some very important commercial, economic, political/diplomatic, and military interests. The US has not broken the dependence on oil.
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(COMMENT)

There was no "robbery" involved. This is misinformation intended to deceive the reader. Israel carried out the IAW 1999 International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism...

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This is more misinformation.



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This assertion that the Settlements are illegal has yet to be reloved and is not likely to be resolved anytime soon.

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ad Hominem


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.As indicated above.
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Most Respectfully,
R

You did not address any of the points in my post.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Sure, Israel controls all of the development in the territories.

Let us understand this.

Hamas has control over building Mansions, Mercedes Benz cars, Olympic pools and resorts, but it does not have the power to build its own independent Electric Power Company.

And let us not mention all of the tunnels they built going into Israel and Egypt.

Where has all of that money gone? For whom?


Now, the PA is about the same thing. Mansions, expensive cars, a race track, at least one Museum, etc, etc, but it has no money to build its own Electric Power company.

Hamas and Abbas develop plenty without anyone needing to ok it. But is it for all the people, or is it for themselves and for those who are for their ideas?


Instead of tunnels, all of that money could have gone to building a Power infrastructure. And one which did not need desperate children and adults to build those tunnels for them. How many have died from the tunnels collapsing on them?

Gaza is a "State" all on its own. All it has to do is declare Independence from the PA, and declare Gaza a new Independent State, with its own government, etc required.....as all other States have done. Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, did it. So can Gaza.

Choose peace, declare Independence, and a trade with Egypt and all other countries to make Gaza better will follow.

That is all it takes.

The same with Areas A and B in Judea and Samaria.
Declare those two areas one State, Independent of Gaza. Start developing and trading as all other Arab States have been doing.


That is what putting down one's arms does. Peace bring progress and a good life to one's population.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You did not address any of the points in my post.

Did the Allies allow Germany to keep the money it had hidden or all over the world, or did they take a hold of that money wherever they could?

You are upset that in 2004 Israel had the right to take away money from its enemies intent for creating more terrorism against Israel and Jews?

It is International law that Israel, and any other country is allowed to do so.

Terrorism is against International law. Hamas and the PA are not "resistance movement", they are terrorists intent in destroying a country become it is the sovereign country of the Jews.

 

[Hollie]

You did not address any of the points in my post.

It’s called a Tinmore’ism.

You did not address any of the points in my post.™

 

[Sixties Fan]

It’s called a Tinmore’ism.

You did not address any of the points in my post.™

And of course we have, but accepting facts is not a Tinmore thing.

 

[Sixties Fan]

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Noam hails from quite a unique place - Neve Shalom or Wahat al-Salam (which translates to Oasis of Peace), a cooperative village founded by Arabs and Jews with the stated goal of showing the world that it’s possible. Noam performs in Hebrew, Arabic, and English and we are thrilled to have her on the show today.

(full article online)

An Arabic-speaking Jewish stand-up comedian talks about the conflict

Comedian and activist Noam Shuster-Eliassi talks and about how to bring peace to the Middle East with the help of laughter.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[P F Tinmore]

but it does not have the power to build its own independent Electric Power Company.

Israel will not let them import the parts

 

[Hollie]

Israel will not let them import the parts

You poor, helpless dears.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Israel will not let them import the parts

They have a power strip. They just cannot get their act together.

Gaza Power Strip

The Palestinian power plant has endured bombings, embargoes and blockades: Can it ever fully power Gaza’s grid?

spectrum.ieee.org

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The Palestinian Paradox
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

And the odd thing is that Jewish Settlements is illegal, but expelling Jews from their homes from 1920 to 1948 is not, to this day.

Which is what calling the settlements illegal is supposed to eventually lead to, again. More expulsions of Jews from their homes, from their own homeland.

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As I have mentioned many times before, Annes III ARTICLE IV - Special Provisions concerning Area C.

As recently as of last May, the Ramallah Government has verified that the Oslo Accords are still in play.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: Incitement and the Dilemma
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Your comment does not convey any specific information like who the opponents are and who are the foreigners.


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Again, this is a trick used by the Hostile Arab Palestinians. They make a demand based on something done over a century ago.

The "Israelis" (that means after 1948) did not (intentionally) attack any unarmed Palestinian civilians.

You have to tell me who you claim are the "foreign unaffiliated terrorist groups" and what time frame you are referring to.

Most Respectfully,
R

Zionist gangs (not the army of any state) began attacking and expelling Palestinian civilians in December 1947. About 300,000 Palestinians were expelled before the start of the 1948 war. About 400,000 ore so were expelled during that war. Palestinians continue to be attacked and expelled today.

THE Nakba and the 1948 war were two separate events.

 

[rylah]

Zionist gangs (not the army of any state) began attacking and expelling Palestinian civilians in December 1947. About 300,000 Palestinians were expelled before the start of the 1948 war. About 400,000 ore so were expelled during that war. Palestinians continue to be attacked and expelled today.

THE Nakba and the 1948 war were two separate events.

Don't get confused by the title, it's just the Arabic name
for the war of their humiliation, which started in 1947.

30th November after the UN vote, at 7:47 AM
Arab gangs and the Arab Legion troops -
started attacking the roads (bus 2094)

What's your opinion worth, if you
don't even get the basic facts?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Don't get confused by the title, it's just the Arabic name
for the war of their humiliation, which started in 1947.

30th November after the UN vote, at 7:47 AM
Arab gangs and the Arab Legion troops -
started attacking the roads (bus 2094)

What's your opinion worth, if you
don't even get the basic facts?

Opposing colonialism.

 

[rylah]

Opposing colonialism.

Indeed and won big time, notice you don't disagree
Arabs started the war they've lost against Israel.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The Palestinian Paradox
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You did not address any of the points in my post.

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Well, I believe I did. I even broke down your post by points and responded to each. You might want to go back and look.

IF you want a more comprehensive response -​

THEN give me a specific question...​

You did not ask a question. You made statements (as if they were true without explanation) and suggested that the Arab Palestinians did not have the same opportunity to cultivate allies that could have provided more favorable outcomes. After all, the Arab Palestinians had the entirety of the Arab League behind them. Israel had no regional allies. Theoretically, the Arab Palestinians should have had the upper hand. And even in the aftermath of three less than favorable confrontations, good decisions in the wake and fog of each setback, the Arab Palestinian had much greater potential for development than did Israel. How much better off would the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip be if the Arab allies of the Arab Palestinians put the inhabitants in the jump seat of self-determination? They would have (potentially) had a territory several times larger than what they have today with sole political and civil rights in sovereignty. But it did not turn out that way. Why? (RHETORICAL) Because of poor leadership on the part of the Arab Palestinians.

IF the Arab Palestinians think today's outcome is so unfair to them, ​

THEN they need to look at themselves - they will see it is a self-inflicted wound.​

The Arab Palestinians shot themselves in the foot more than once. ​

And it was their stubbornness that made them a political cripple.​

That is just one in a long string of poor decisions that Arab Palestinians have made.
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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The Palestinian Paradox
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Opposing colonialism.

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You really don't know what colonialism actually means.

"For true colonialism to exist two conditions are necessary. The land held as a colony must have no real political independence from the ‘mother country, but also the relationship must be one of forthright exploitation. The entire reason for having colonies is to increase the wealth and welfare of the colonial power, either by extracting resources, material or labour from the colony more cheaply than they could be bought on a free market, or by ensuring a market for one’s own goods at advantageous rates."​

SOURCE: The Routledge Dictionary of Politics • 3d edition published Taylor & Francis e-Library, 2004. © 2004 David Robertson pp 89​

There is more to the concept of colonialism than this excerpt. But I thought this passage might help you. The Principal Allied Powers did not take control of the Occupied Enemy Territory and place them under civil Administration for exploitation. It was brought under Mandate control "for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations." The Allied Powers were politically well-meaning, but Arab Palestinians want the entire silver platter; not just a portion. Look at all the territories formerly under the Mandate. Point out to me which one is more developed than Israel. Point out to me, which one has more political and civil rights than Israel.

Look around and ask the Arab Palestinian, which country in the region would they like to emulate.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The Palestinian Paradox
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


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Well, I believe I did. I even broke down your post by points and responded to each. You might want to go back and look.

IF you want a more comprehensive response -​

THEN give me a specific question...​

You did not ask a question. You made statements (as if they were true without explanation) and suggested that the Arab Palestinians did not have the same opportunity to cultivate allies that could have provided more favorable outcomes. After all, the Arab Palestinians had the entirety of the Arab League behind them. Israel had no regional allies. Theoretically, the Arab Palestinians should have had the upper hand. And even in the aftermath of three less than favorable confrontations, good decisions in the wake and fog of each setback, the Arab Palestinian had much greater potential for development than did Israel. How much better off would the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip be if the Arab allies of the Arab Palestinians put the inhabitants in the jump seat of self-determination? They would have (potentially) had a territory several times larger than what they have today with sole political and civil rights in sovereignty. But it did not turn out that way. Why? (RHETORICAL) Because of poor leadership on the part of the Arab Palestinians.

IF the Arab Palestinians think today's outcome is so unfair to them, ​

THEN they need to look at themselves - they will see it is a self-inflicted wound.​

View attachment 558489The Arab Palestinians shot themselves in the foot more than once. ​

And it was their stubbornness that made them a political cripple.​

That is just one in a long string of poor decisions that Arab Palestinians have made.
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Most Respectfully,
R

So, you believe that a civilian population occupied by the worlds superpower can do whatever they want?