All Non-Africans Part Neanderthal, Genetics Confirm

[westwall]

The lack of artifacts of said civilizations argues they did not exist.

Lack of artifacts does not prove there were none. It just proves there are none to be found.

Citizen, have a look at the artifacts left by the Roman, Greek, Egyptian, and Meso-American civilizations. Consider that we find artifacts left by our ancestors from two million years ago. But no one has presented us with artifacts and evidence of an advanced civilization dating past ten thousand years ago.

We find stone implements from 2 million years ago. The Roman and earlier artifacts are uncommon (some are rare) and look around you. How much of our modern artifacts will be around in 2,000 years? Not too many. The lack of artifacts only shows that none have been found that can be traced to an older civilization. The epic of Gilgamesh and other religious tracts all speak of a great flood and that could only have happened 5,000 years before the beginning of modern civilization as we know it. That means there was a society around long enough to develop BEFORE the flood to develop a primordial memory.

 

[westwall]

If blacks all lack the neanderthal gene then they are obviously less diverse than non blacks, and thus, by the irrefutable logic of left wing science, less than human.

You might, for once, want to think this through.

There started out a finite pool of humans with all the "human" genes in the world. A small group of them broke off from the main group and headed north. Just the fact that they are a small group from a much larger group makes them less genetically diverse. They mated with Neanderthals. Only about 2% of their genes actually entered the human gene pool. Even with that small addition, the main group, from where Africans are descended, were much, much more diverse genetically.

Look at lions and tigers. They have diverged genetically. Their offspring is usually sterile. But occasionally, they do have fertile offspring. Now say that "liger" mated with a lion. Now the offspring has only 25% of tiger genes and 75% lion. How many generations before the percentage drops to 2%? At some point, everyone would have some consistent percentage. Think about why.

With Neanderthals and humans diverging for 400,000 years, you can bet their situation was very similar to lions and tigers.

I really am shocked how little right wingers know about anything. Genetics and evolution is taught in high school, at least in the high school I went to. I know it's not allowed in many southern high schools. Because in those schools, "God did it".

Can you provide a link to a wild example of a ligar ?

Detailed information on hybridisation in big cats. Includes tigons, ligers, leopons and others.

rdeans view of the world

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLdk2C25Z14]‪Monty Python's The Meaning of Life- A Tiger? In Africa?‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Ravi]

There was a times when some thought blacks were "less" than human. Hilarious.

If blacks all lack the neanderthal gene then they are obviously less diverse than non blacks, and thus, by the irrefutable logic of left wing science, less than human.

Except....homo sapiens are humans, Neanderthals, not so much, being considered a sub-species.

If you want to argue that blacks are the only "pure" humans you might have a point.

Or you can continue to pretend what you are pretending.

 

[Tank]

Except....homo sapiens are humans, Neanderthals, not so much, being considered a sub-species.

So, there are different species of humans that can have off spring?

If you want to argue that blacks are the only "pure" humans you might have a point.

Does blacks being "the only pure humans" make the other races a "sub-species"?

See you later Ravi

 

[Ravi]

Except....homo sapiens are humans, Neanderthals, not so much, being considered a sub-species.

So, there are different species of humans that can have off spring?

If you want to argue that blacks are the only "pure" humans you might have a point.

Does blacks being "the only pure humans" make the other races a "sub-species"?

See you later Ravi

No, being Neanderthal does.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[Tank]

Except....homo sapiens are humans, Neanderthals, not so much, being considered a sub-species.

So, there are different species of humans that can have off spring?

If you want to argue that blacks are the only "pure" humans you might have a point.

Does blacks being "the only pure humans" make the other races a "sub-species"?

See you later Ravi

No, being Neanderthal does.

The OP says that all other races other then Africans are part Neanderthal.

 

[Ravi]

So, there are different species of humans that can have off spring?


Does blacks being "the only pure humans" make the other races a "sub-species"?

See you later Ravi

No, being Neanderthal does.

The OP says that all other races other then Africans are part Neanderthal.

And?

 

[Tank]

Black Africans and other races are sub-species.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You might, for once, want to think this through.

What makes you think I am the one that has not thought this through?

There started out a finite pool of humans with all the "human" genes in the world. A small group of them broke off from the main group and headed north. Just the fact that they are a small group from a much larger group makes them less genetically diverse. They mated with Neanderthals. Only about 2% of their genes actually entered the human gene pool. Even with that small addition, the main group, from where Africans are descended, were much, much more diverse genetically.

What makes you believe that?

That "small group" that went north became the population of most of the world. They are now so genetically diverse that there are multiple genetic strains, and the more diverse the strains that go into a person, the better their health and intelligence, they also tend to be better looking, in my opinion.

Look at lions and tigers. They have diverged genetically. Their offspring is usually sterile. But occasionally, they do have fertile offspring. Now say that "liger" mated with a lion. Now the offspring has only 25% of tiger genes and 75% lion. How many generations before the percentage drops to 2%? At some point, everyone would have some consistent percentage. Think about why.

You really have no idea how genetics work, do you.

The further back we go the more ancestors any organism that reproduces through sex will have. It does not take very long before a single organism has more ancestors than ever actually lived. That means that every species is inter related, and that applies to humans. Every one of us is related to everyone else.

With Neanderthals and humans diverging for 400,000 years, you can bet their situation was very similar to lions and tigers.

Actually, the theory is that we merged with neanderthals about 400,000 years ago. We must have been fairly closely related if we were mutually fertile, which means that the divergence would not have been that much further in the past. We were not separate species, anymore than lions and tigers are.

I really am shocked how little right wingers know about anything. Genetics and evolution is taught in high school, at least in the high school I went to. I know it's not allowed in many southern high schools. Because in those schools, "God did it".

You obviously never paid any attention to what they taught in high school, since you tried to argue with me that Darwin did not understand that all life on Earth evolved from simple lifeforms. Yet you continue to try to argue with this ignorant right winger about science, and continually get your idiocy shoved down your throat.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

There was a times when some thought blacks were "less" than human. Hilarious.

If blacks all lack the neanderthal gene then they are obviously less diverse than non blacks, and thus, by the irrefutable logic of left wing science, less than human.

Except....homo sapiens are humans, Neanderthals, not so much, being considered a sub-species.

If you want to argue that blacks are the only "pure" humans you might have a point.

Or you can continue to pretend what you are pretending.

Who considers them a sub species?

I am not arguing that anyone is a pure human, I am mocking rdeans's understanding of science in general and genetics in particular. If you want me to mock yours as well feel free to keep trying to tell me I am off base in my assertions.

 

[Ravi]

Black Africans and other races are sub-species.

Not according to this "evidence."

 

[Tank]

Hey Ravi,

Did you not just say, "that blacks are the only "pure" humans" and that Neanderthals are "considered a sub-species"?

You and you're buddy rdean thought it would be funny to call white people part Neanderthals, not realizing that makes blacks and whites sub-speices.

 

[Old Rocks]

Lack of artifacts does not prove there were none. It just proves there are none to be found.

Citizen, have a look at the artifacts left by the Roman, Greek, Egyptian, and Meso-American civilizations. Consider that we find artifacts left by our ancestors from two million years ago. But no one has presented us with artifacts and evidence of an advanced civilization dating past ten thousand years ago.

We find stone implements from 2 million years ago. The Roman and earlier artifacts are uncommon (some are rare) and look around you. How much of our modern artifacts will be around in 2,000 years? Not too many. The lack of artifacts only shows that none have been found that can be traced to an older civilization. The epic of Gilgamesh and other religious tracts all speak of a great flood and that could only have happened 5,000 years before the beginning of modern civilization as we know it. That means there was a society around long enough to develop BEFORE the flood to develop a primordial memory.

Total bullshit, Walleyes. Think Coke bottles. Concrete bridges and dams. Stainless steel. Plastic. The Great Wall of China.

The Biblical flood is certainly a rewrite of the Epic. And that most probably described the infilling of the Black Sea.

 

[westwall]

Citizen, have a look at the artifacts left by the Roman, Greek, Egyptian, and Meso-American civilizations. Consider that we find artifacts left by our ancestors from two million years ago. But no one has presented us with artifacts and evidence of an advanced civilization dating past ten thousand years ago.

We find stone implements from 2 million years ago. The Roman and earlier artifacts are uncommon (some are rare) and look around you. How much of our modern artifacts will be around in 2,000 years? Not too many. The lack of artifacts only shows that none have been found that can be traced to an older civilization. The epic of Gilgamesh and other religious tracts all speak of a great flood and that could only have happened 5,000 years before the beginning of modern civilization as we know it. That means there was a society around long enough to develop BEFORE the flood to develop a primordial memory.

Total bullshit, Walleyes. Think Coke bottles. Concrete bridges and dams. Stainless steel. Plastic. The Great Wall of China.

The Biblical flood is certainly a rewrite of the Epic. And that most probably described the infilling of the Black Sea.

Yes, and when did that happen? Glass coke bottles? Turned to sand in 1000 years. Plastic? UV radiation turns them into powder within 1000 years. Great wall of China will probably not last as long as the Pyramids (which are stone) but both will outlast the modern materials that our society is based on. Stainless steel still rusts or didn't you know that?

Concrete bridges and dams will fracture, collapse, and disappear within 1,000 years. Our cement is not nearly as good as the Romans cement is.
This is the Livingston House in Detroit, one of the great homes of the era. How much more time do you think it has?

 

[CitizenPained]

So that's what Sheen meant when he said he had tiger blood and Adonis DNA.

 

[Old Rocks]

We find stone implements from 2 million years ago. The Roman and earlier artifacts are uncommon (some are rare) and look around you. How much of our modern artifacts will be around in 2,000 years? Not too many. The lack of artifacts only shows that none have been found that can be traced to an older civilization. The epic of Gilgamesh and other religious tracts all speak of a great flood and that could only have happened 5,000 years before the beginning of modern civilization as we know it. That means there was a society around long enough to develop BEFORE the flood to develop a primordial memory.

Total bullshit, Walleyes. Think Coke bottles. Concrete bridges and dams. Stainless steel. Plastic. The Great Wall of China.

The Biblical flood is certainly a rewrite of the Epic. And that most probably described the infilling of the Black Sea.

Yes, and when did that happen? Glass coke bottles? Turned to sand in 1000 years. Plastic? UV radiation turns them into powder within 1000 years. Great wall of China will probably not last as long as the Pyramids (which are stone) but both will outlast the modern materials that our society is based on. Stainless steel still rusts or didn't you know that?

Concrete bridges and dams will fracture, collapse, and disappear within 1,000 years. Our cement is not nearly as good as the Romans cement is.
This is the Livingston House in Detroit, one of the great homes of the era. How much more time do you think it has?

Roman concrete better than ours? You had best show some evidence for that, Walleyes. Coke bottles will not devitrify in only 1000 years, and there are thousands of tons of plastic buried in land fills. And you failed utterly to address stainless steel artifacts.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Total bullshit, Walleyes. Think Coke bottles. Concrete bridges and dams. Stainless steel. Plastic. The Great Wall of China.

The Biblical flood is certainly a rewrite of the Epic. And that most probably described the infilling of the Black Sea.

Yes, and when did that happen? Glass coke bottles? Turned to sand in 1000 years. Plastic? UV radiation turns them into powder within 1000 years. Great wall of China will probably not last as long as the Pyramids (which are stone) but both will outlast the modern materials that our society is based on. Stainless steel still rusts or didn't you know that?

Concrete bridges and dams will fracture, collapse, and disappear within 1,000 years. Our cement is not nearly as good as the Romans cement is.
This is the Livingston House in Detroit, one of the great homes of the era. How much more time do you think it has?

Roman concrete better than ours? You had best show some evidence for that, Walleyes. Coke bottles will not devitrify in only 1000 years, and there are thousands of tons of plastic buried in land fills. And you failed utterly to address stainless steel artifacts.

Ever take a look at the Colosseum? Roman roads? There are roads in Europe that were built 2000 years ago that are in better shape than ones built 10 years ago in this country.

 

[Old Rocks]

And the shoddy constructed one during Roman times have disappeared.

Sorry, but you will have to show me the chemistry of how Roman concrete exceeds what we use for major projects.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Africans are not another species. It just means that after 'man' migrated out of Africa, apparently some cross-breeding occurred with Neandertal.

Perhaps we came from North Africa (eg, Egypt). Since that fits better with the Creation/Bible story, I'm sure Christians would appreciate that theory.

"This confirms recent findings suggesting that the two populations interbred," Labuda was quoted as saying in a press release. His team believes most, if not all, of the interbreeding took place in the Middle East, while modern humans were migrating out of Africa and spreading to other regions.

Ever herd of the human genome project ?

 

[Political Junky]

If your heritage is non-African, you are part Neanderthal, according to a new study in the July issue of Molecular Biology and Evolution. Discovery News has been reporting on human/Neanderthal interbreeding for some time now, so this latest research confirms earlier findings.

All Non-Africans Part Neanderthal, Genetics Confirm : Discovery News

"We can now say that, in all probability, there was gene flow from Neanderthals to modern humans," said the paper's first author, Richard E. (Ed) Green of the University of California, Santa Cruz.

Complete Neanderthal genome yields insights into human evolution and evidence of interbreeding

Neandertals | Gene Expression | Discover Magazine

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Jean Auell already established this in Clan of th eCave Bear!

Still rather believe in fiction, I see.