Will Democrats Ever Again Nominate a Woman for President?

[Lesh]

Maybe so, but the majority of women also support some restrictions on it. Many activists push the angle of elective abortions up to birth, but the majority of women believe restrictions should apply to the last trimester.

“Elective up to birth” is just anti-choice bullshit

 

[Monoculturalist]

They will. I thought you guys were fine with that as well by leaving it up to the states.

The states where they’re obsessed with killing babies, according to you guys, should be allowed to kill as many babies as they want.

Problem solved. I’m glad we’re both good with lots of babies being legally killed.

I can't speak for conservatives overall, but I personally believe that it should remain a state issue. That doesn't mean I approve of everything a given state does, however. It just means I support decentralization of authority as the Constitution dictates. If a state wants to legalize elective abortions up to birth, I still find that horrific, but I realize that it is foolish to get the federal government involved. By the same token, a state should be able to legalize heroin, but I still wouldn't support a policy like that.

 

[Mac-7]

I doubt it. Not in our lifetimes.

Even as other countries – including Italy, North Macedonia and, most recently, Mexico – have in recent years joined the ranks of countries that have elected the first women to their highest political offices, American voters have picked Donald Trump twice over the two women who have come closest to the White House in US history.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/08/politics/glass-ceiling-women-kamala-harris/index.html

They will never make such an announcement, of course. But in the last three elections two women and one man ran against Donald Trump. The women both lost and the man won.

As the 2028 primary approaches, the DNC will lament that it was mysogyny that caused Trump's landslide over Harris, planting the subliminal message to Dem voters that nominating a woman is a recipe for another loss. If the voters don't take the hint and nominate a woman anyway, the DNC can just pull the plug on her and replace her with a man.

The Democrats just don't have many women who are in a good position to run for president. Part of that is due to the Dems following their own DIE policy and filling top positions with women without regard to their qualification. Kamala Harris is exhibit A for that claim.

Two extremely flawed female candidates who ran bad elections and championed unpopular policies

Find a thatcher or golda mier and dems woukd have a chance

But not even then because thatcher or mier were too intelligent to support policies that democrat voters insist on

 

[Monoculturalist]

“Elective up to birth” is just anti-choice bullshit

Nope. 3 states literally allow it: Virginia, Ohio, and New York. I've spoken with many people about this, and they always try to defend this by saying that only emergency abortions occur in the last trimester. Yet, if that's true, why were the laws that already allowed emergency abortions in that period changed to allow elective abortions?

 

[Mac-7]

“Elective up to birth” is just anti-choice bullshit

Its a real issue

What limits on abortion do you support?

 

[XponentialChaos]

I can't speak for conservatives overall, but I personally believe that it should remain a state issue. That doesn't mean I approve of everything a given state does, however. It just means I support decentralization of authority as the Constitution dictates. If a state wants to legalize elective abortions up to birth, I still find that horrific, but I realize that it is foolish to get the federal government involved. By the same token, a state should be able to legalize heroin, but I still wouldn't support a policy like that.

Awesome. So we’re both fine with allowing lots of legalized abortion.

 

[Unkotare]

Yes. The ones who actually vote.

The ones who are actually allowed to live?

 

[Monoculturalist]

Doesn’t that support my point?

Voters are more likely to support a straight white male.

Sure. But it's not specifically because they are straight white males. It's because we have more white male candidates overall, so you're more likely to find one that is exceptional at either policy or campaigning in general.

If 75% of officeholders and candidates were black women, mostly black women would win elections just due to probability and variety of choices.

 

[XponentialChaos]

The ones who are actually allowed to live?

They need to be alive in order to vote.

 

[Monoculturalist]

Awesome. So we’re both fine with allowing lots of legalized abortion.

Inadvertently, I suppose. The difference is that it sounds like you vote in favor of allowing abortion in general, whereas I vote against local candidates that support it.

 

[Lesh]

Its a real issue

What limits on abortion do you support?

There is no “elective up to birth”

Start with honesty and there’s a discussion

 

[Unkotare]

They need to be alive in order to vote.

So democrats are engaged in voter suppression?

 

[Monoculturalist]

There is no “elective up to birth”

Start with honesty and there’s a discussion

There is though. I don't see why you're denying this when the laws in the 3 states I mentioned can be looked up by anyone.

 

[Unkotare]

There is no “elective up to birth”

Start with honesty and there’s a discussion

As if democrats were ever interested in honesty...

 

[22lcidw]

Trump beat two women and lost to a white man

Kinda says a lot

Having Joe getting 15/18 million votes appear out of nowhere does not hurt.

 

[Lesh]

Nope. 3 states literally allow it: Virginia, Ohio, and New York. I've spoken with many people about this, and they always try to defend this by saying that only emergency abortions occur in the last trimester. Yet, if that's true, why were the laws that already allowed emergency abortions in that period changed to allow elective abortions?

Virginia bans elective abortion after 26 weeks 6 days

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[XponentialChaos]

Sure. But it's not specifically because they are straight white males. It's because we have more white male candidates overall, so you're more likely to find one that is exceptional at either policy or campaigning in general.

If 75% of officeholders and candidates were black women, mostly black women would win elections just due to probability and variety of choices.

I’d be curious to see if male candidates are more likely to win against female candidates when they go head-to-head. That may be why there are more of them, but I don’t know. Just speculating.

 

[Lesh]

As if democrats were ever interested in honesty...

Go away

 

[XponentialChaos]

So democrats are engaged in voter suppression?

Sure, if you want to put it that way.

 

[Mac-7]

There is no “elective up to birth”

Start with honesty and there’s a discussion

I just asked what limits you are willing to impose

Cant you say?