Aileen Cannon should be disbarred.

[WorldWatcher]

...Hur's decision not to prosecute is based on the "fact" that Biden is too old and senile to stand trial, not that he didn't commit a crime.

You are lifting one thing out of context.

Hur's burden of proof would have included proving that either Biden personally packed up the documents or knew that staff had packed the documents with an intent to steal them. Possession (as with Pence) isnt a crime, it's the intent to steal that makes it a crime.

I'm not talking about "Hand Waving" of course he knew. I'm talking witness and documentary evidence in a court of law SHOWING that Biden (or Pence) planed and executed the theft of documents.

WW

 

[berg80]

Trump would have listened to his generals, BIDEN OVERRULED THEM.

Trump Rejected Generals’ Advice, Too​

However, Trump also didn’t listen to his top military advisers.

During House testimony on Sept. 29, Milley said that based on his advice and “the advice of the commanders at the time,” then-Secretary of Defense Mark Esper submitted a memorandum to the White House on Nov. 9 “recommending that we maintain the US forces, which were then at about 4,500 in Afghanistan until conditions were met for further reductions.”

That confirmed what Esper had told CNN in an Aug. 17 interview.

“My concern was that President Trump, by continuing to want to withdraw American forces out of Afghanistan, undermined the agreement, which is why, in the fall, when he was calling for a return of U.S. forces, by Christmas, I objected, and formally wrote in a letter to him, a memo, based on recommendations from the military chain of command and my senior civilian leadership that we not go further, that we not reduce below 4,500 troops, unless and until conditions were met by the Taliban,” Esper said in the interview. “Otherwise, we would see a number of things play out which are unfolding right now in many ways.”

On the day Esper submitted that memo, Trump fired him.

Milley testified that two days after Esper was fired, on Nov. 11, he received an “unclassified signed order [signed by Trump] directing the United States military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan no later than 15, January, 2021.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/09/trump-rejected-generals-advice-too/

 

[berg80]

...Hur's decision not to prosecute is based on the "fact" that Biden is too old and senile to stand trial, not that he didn't commit a crime.

Hur went against DoJ protocol (like Comey did in Hillary's case, funny how Repubs keep doing that to Dems) by editorializing as to his rationale for not recommending Biden be charged. The bottom line is the facts of the case did not merit an indictment. Your whataboutism failed.

 

[The Duke]

That little bit of idiocy doesn't change the fact that pursuing trump's co-defendants is folly given Dotard's track record of protecting his associates from being held accountable for their criminal acts if it benefits him.

So you're saying it's all for naught?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Hur went against DoJ protocol (like Comey did in Hillary's case, funny how Repubs keep doing that to Dems) by editorializing as to his rationale for not recommending Biden be charged. The bottom line is the facts of the case did not merit an indictment. Your whataboutism failed.

Let's be fair.

Any brief or report by any lawyer is going to consist of editorializing, that's kind of what briefs, motions, and reports are. An editorialized version of the facts and how the author views those facts as a whole.

WW

 

[kyzr]

You are lifting one thing out of context.
Hur's burden of proof would have included proving that either Biden personally packed up the documents or knew that staff had packed the documents with an intent to steal them. Possession (as with Pence) isn't a crime, it's the intent to steal that makes it a crime.
I'm not talking about "Hand Waving" of course he knew. I'm talking witness and documentary evidence in a court of law SHOWING that Biden (or Pence) planned and executed the theft of documents. WW

The simple fact that Biden had the classified documents means that he had to steal them from a SCIF.

 

[berg80]

So you're saying it's all for naught?

Yes, due to trump's corruption.

 

[kyzr]

Hur went against DoJ protocol (like Comey did in Hillary's case, funny how Repubs keep doing that to Dems) by editorializing as to his rationale for not recommending Biden be charged. The bottom line is the facts of the case did not merit an indictment. Your whataboutism failed.

Your response didn't refute my previous post that Biden stole classified documents from a SCIF, but...
...Hur's decision not to prosecute is based on the "fact" that Biden is too old and senile to stand trial, not that he didn't commit a crime.

 

[berg80]

The Justice Department responded late Friday by asking the appeals court to immediately lift Cannon’s injunction altogether. The filing noted that in addition to temporarily blocking the release of the election interference report, Cannon’s action also prevents officials from sharing the classified documents report privately with the leaders of the House and Senate Judiciary committees.

Cannon’s order is “plainly erroneous,” according to the department’s motion.

“The Attorney General is the Senate-confirmed head of the Department of Justice and is vested with the authority to supervise all officers and employees of the Department,” the Justice Department said. “The Attorney General thus has authority to decide whether to release an investigative report prepared by his subordinates.”

Justice Department regulations call for special counsels to produce reports at the conclusion of their work, and it’s customary for such documents to be made public no matter the subject.

Special counsel Jack Smith has resigned after submitting his Trump report, Justice Department says

Special counsel Jack Smith has resigned from the Justice Department after submitting his investigative report on President-elect Donald Trump.

apnews.com

She is qualified to hold her position.

 

[The Duke]

Yes, due to trump's corruption.

Ah, but he's loyal to his friends and I see that as an admirable trait.

 

[The Duke]

The Justice Department responded late Friday by asking the appeals court to immediately lift Cannon’s injunction altogether. The filing noted that in addition to temporarily blocking the release of the election interference report, Cannon’s action also prevents officials from sharing the classified documents report privately with the leaders of the House and Senate Judiciary committees.

Cannon’s order is “plainly erroneous,” according to the department’s motion.

“The Attorney General is the Senate-confirmed head of the Department of Justice and is vested with the authority to supervise all officers and employees of the Department,” the Justice Department said. “The Attorney General thus has authority to decide whether to release an investigative report prepared by his subordinates.”

Justice Department regulations call for special counsels to produce reports at the conclusion of their work, and it’s customary for such documents to be made public no matter the subject.

Special counsel Jack Smith has resigned after submitting his Trump report, Justice Department says

Special counsel Jack Smith has resigned from the Justice Department after submitting his investigative report on President-elect Donald Trump.

apnews.com

She is qualified to hold her position.

Jack Smith was an illicit Special Counsel. Was never even legally approved as a Special Counsel to embark on a witch hunt for Trump. Everything thereafter is fruit of the poison tree.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The simple fact that Biden had the classified documents means that he had to steal them from a SCIF.

No, it doesn't.

The burden of proof is on the prosecution that Biden either personally took the documents or ordered his staff to take the documents. Simple possession in a box in a garage is not proof that he took them.

Same for Pence.

Same for Trump. Trump was NOT charged with taking the documents. You know this right? He was charged for refusing to return them once the documents were known about and actively obstructing justice by purposely evading a Federal subpoena to not return the items.

WW

 

[berg80]

Your response didn't refute my previous post that Biden stole classified documents from a SCIF, but...
...Hur's decision not to prosecute is based on the "fact" that Biden is too old and senile to stand trial, not that he didn't commit a crime.

That characterization is a lie.

 

[Nostra]

I think you have rose tinted glasses.

Releasing 5,000 soldiers... what do you think was going to happen. By the time Biden pulled out, there wasn't much choice left because of what Trump had already done. Trump wouldn't have solved anything, as there wasn't a solution left.

Making a deal where no US troops get killed, but the Taliban take over the whole country is.... quite frankly, fucking ridiculous. I

The Telegraph might as well be called the Trump Times. It's a very pro-right wing paper that pumps out shit on a daily basis. They've attacked Starmer for many things that Conservative government did, because they're a mouthpiece for the rich.

The Taliban 5,000 that were released ended up fighting the Afghan forces who Trump sold their country out from under their feet. Trump didn't give a shit about the people of Afghanistan.

So, Trump essentially handed the country over to the Taliban and didn't give the Afghan govt a chance. That's not a good deal, that's the shittest deal possible.

Trump didn’t make a deal where the Taliban took over. Biden did that.

 

[berg80]

Jack Smith was an illicit Special Counsel. Was never even legally approved as a Special Counsel to embark on a witch hunt for Trump. Everything thereafter is fruit of the poison tree.

Nothing about the circumstances of Smith's appointment changes the evidence his investigation revealed. Dismissing the case was lawfare.

 

[The Duke]

That characterization is a lie.

It's been the truth since 2019, guy.

 

[Nostra]

That understanding was that if the Taliban chilled out, we’d leave and then they can take over the country.

Link?

 

[The Duke]

Trump didn’t make a deal where the Taliban took over. Biden did that.

Actually he did, according to a plan, a plan which Biden did not follow.
See: Doha Accords. Trump knew the Afghan "military" was going to fold just like it did.
Trump came to an agreement with the Taliban for a 100% withdrawal of our troops and equipment.
The Taliban kept their end of the deal, but Biden didn't keep the US's end of the deal.
He had from 1/20/2021 to May 1 2021 which is a quick timeline, but he did not do things right.

 

[Nostra]

#1 She dismissed the FL case, meaning she has no case under her jurisdiction.

#2 Her dismissal is on appeal to the 11th Circuit. When an interlockery appeal is pending before the Appeals court jurisdiction is removed from the trail court (her) to the appeals court pending resolution of the appeal.

#3 She attempted to block not only Volume 2 (Espionage Case) but also Volume 1 (J6) case. The J6 case is in another Federal District and under a different Federal Judge (Judge Chutkan) and a different appeals court (DC Circuit).

Those are 3 reasons off the top of my head as to why she didn't have jurisdiction to attempt to block BOTH Volumes of the Special Prosecutors report.

Oh - and the AG had already indicted that Volume 2 (Espionage Case) would NOT be released to the public because there is current litigation before the 11th Circuit.

Hope this helps

WW

The case has been withdrawn, dumbass. There is no case.

 

[berg80]

Let's be fair.

Any brief or report by any lawyer is going to consist of editorializing, that's kind of what briefs, motions, and reports are. An editorialized version of the facts and how the author views those facts as a whole.

WW

Hur's commentary was political and therefore had no place in what his DoJ mandate called for, a dispassionate examination of the facts.