Agrivoltaics, saving farms

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photons that are converted into electricity are photons which don't heat the surface of the planet.

Explain how. Don't be shy.

I have. many times. You're being an ass like EMH.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's because you are unwilling to look at this from the context of replacing fossil fuels with solar power that you are acting like an ass.

I want you to explain your original claim, before you change the context.

 

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I want you to explain your original claim, before you change the context.

I have. Many times. I want you to stop acting like EMH.

The cooling effect at the solar farms is due to photons being converted into electricity. In the context or replacing fossil fuels with solar... The waste heat from generating electricity from fossil fuels goes away and there is no change in waste heat from electricity usage.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I have. many times. You're being an ass like EMH.

You and EMH like to make claims that violate laws of physics.

That's why I mock your errors.

 

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You and EMH like to make claims that violate laws of physics.

That's why I mock your errors.

The cooling effect at the solar farms is due to photons being converted into electricity. In the context or replacing fossil fuels with solar... The waste heat from generating electricity from fossil fuels goes away and there is no change in waste heat from electricity usage.

My claim is that the widespread use of solar power is a bad idea in the middle of an ice age. I can only assume you are for it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The cooling effect at the solar farms is due to photons being converted into electricity. In the context or replacing fossil fuels with solar... The waste heat from generating electricity from fossil fuels goes away and there is no change in waste heat from electricity usage.

My claim is that the widespread use of solar power is a bad idea in the middle of an ice age. I can only assume you are for it.

The cooling effect at the solar farms is due to photons being converted into electricity.

Now balance the equation. Where does the electricity get converted into heat?

My claim is that the widespread use of solar power is a bad idea in the middle of an ice age.

Right, because you claim using solar cools the planet.

 

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Now balance the equation. Where does the electricity get converted into heat?

The cooling effect at the solar farms is due to photons being converted into electricity. In the context or replacing fossil fuels with solar... The waste heat from generating electricity from fossil fuels goes away and there is no change in waste heat from electricity usage.

 

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Right, because you claim using solar cools the planet.

Do enough of it... yes.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The cooling effect at the solar farms is due to photons being converted into electricity. In the context or replacing fossil fuels with solar... The waste heat from generating electricity from fossil fuels goes away and there is no change in waste heat from electricity usage.

The cooling effect at the solar farms is due to photons being converted into electricity.

Right. Cools the farm, not the planet.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Do enough of it... yes.

OMG! You're hilarious.

1000 watts hits the panel. Where does it go?

Don't run away like EMH.

 

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Right. Cools the farm, not the planet.

If we install enough farms, it will.

 

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OMG! You're hilarious.

1000 watts hits the panel. Where does it go?

If you install enough farms it will.

The cooling effect at the solar farms is due to photons being converted into electricity. In the context or replacing fossil fuels with solar... The waste heat from generating electricity from fossil fuels goes away and there is no change in waste heat from electricity usage.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If you install enough farms it will.

The cooling effect at the solar farms is due to photons being converted into electricity. In the context or replacing fossil fuels with solar... The waste heat from generating electricity from fossil fuels goes away and there is no change in waste heat from electricity usage.

Using zero fossil fuel will cool the planet.

Obviously.

Using solar will not cool the planet.

Obviously.

 

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Don't run away like EMH.

You wish. You keep arguing that the cooling effect is offset by waste heat from electricity. But that isn't true in the case of replacing fossil fuels with solar power. In that case there is no change in waste heat.

 

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Using zero fossil fuel will cool the planet.

Obviously.

Using solar will not cool the planet.

Obviously.

If you are replacing fossil fuels with solar, it most certainly will.

The cooling effect at the solar farms is due to photons being converted into electricity. In the context or replacing fossil fuels with solar... The waste heat from generating electricity from fossil fuels goes away and there is no change in waste heat from electricity usage.

My claim is that the widespread use of solar power is a bad idea in the middle of an ice age. I can only assume you are for it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If you are replacing fossil fuels with solar, it most certainly will.

The cooling effect at the solar farms is due to photons being converted into electricity. In the context or replacing fossil fuels with solar... The waste heat from generating electricity from fossil fuels goes away and there is no change in waste heat from electricity usage.

My claim is that the widespread use of solar power is a bad idea in the middle of an ice age. I can only assume you are for it.

The cooling effect at the solar farms is due to photons being converted into electricity.

If we keep fossil fuel consumption steady and double the number of solar panels, will that have a cooling effect?

If we triple the number of solar panels, will that have a cooling effect?

 

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Using zero fossil fuel will cool the planet.

Obviously.

I can't believe you believe that fossil fuels are warming the planet.

How much do you believe the planet will cool if we stop using fossil fuels?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You wish. You keep arguing that the cooling effect is offset by waste heat from electricity. But that isn't true in the case of replacing fossil fuels with solar power. In that case there is no change in waste heat.

You keep arguing that the cooling effect is offset by waste heat from electricity

Crazy, right? It's almost like conservation of energy is a real thing.

And you can't ignore the extra 20% that doesn't reflect back to space.

Well, you can, but you shouldn't.

 

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If we keep fossil fuel consumption steady and double the number of solar panels, will that have a cooling effect?

If we triple the number of solar panels, will that have a cooling effect?

You tell me, you are the one who believes that fossil fuel use is warming the planet.

I calculated if we cover 1% of the planet's land surface with solar panels that will be enough to take the planet from 0.6 w/m^2 net warming to -0.1 w/m^2 net cooling.

 

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Crazy, right? It's almost like conservation of energy is a real thing.

There's no incremental change in waste heat when replacing fossil fuels with solar. You are replacing generating methods. You are replacing a generating method which produces waste heat which creates a localized warming with one that captures solar energy and creates a localized cooling. But the waste heat from usage of electricity stays the same.

And you can't ignore the extra 20% that doesn't reflect back to space.
Well, you can, but you shouldn't.

The net cooling measured at the solar farms by satellites takes everything into account. The cooling effect at the solar farms is due to photons being converted into electricity.