After U.S. Troops Leave Syria, What Happens Next?

[danielpalos]

Rich people don't pay for wars with their taxes or their blood; they have debt slaves to fill those jobs. At the very least, congress should reassert its Constitutional authority to declare war.

If not now, when?

Jesus Christ, you people are insane fucking warmongers, all because you hate President Trump, not because you give a shit about Kurds or Syrians.

those alleged wars should be unlawful if they are not being paid for with wartime tax rates.

https://michael-hudson.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/superimperialism.pdf (P. 4)

"How the United States makes other countries pay for its wars

" Since Europe’s Middle Ages and Renaissance, going to war has left nations with heavy public debts, which in turn have needed to be financed by raising taxes.

"Two centuries ago Adam Smith gave a list of how each new war borrowing in Britain led to a new tax being imposed to pay its interest charges. Militarily ambitious nations thus became indebted, high-tax and high-cost economies...."

"America’s war in Vietnam and Southeast Asia in the 1960s seemed to follow this time-honored scenario.

"U.S. overseas military spending ended up in the hands of foreign central banks, especially France, whose banks were the dominant financial institutions in Indo-China.

"Central banks cashed in these for gold nearly on a monthly basis from the 1965 troop buildup onward.

"Germany did on a quiet scale what General de Gaulle did with great fanfare in cashing in the dollars sent from France’s former colonies.

" By 1971 the U.S. dollar’s gold cover – legally 25 percent for Federal Reserve currency – was nearly depleted, and America withdrew from the London Gold Pool.

"The dollar no longer could be redeemed for gold at $35 an ounce.

"It seemed at the time that the Vietnam War had cost America its world financial position, just as World War I had stripped Britain and the rest of Europe of their financial leadership as a result of their Inter-Ally arms debts to the United States.

" But in going off gold the United States created a new kind of international financial system."

Among those things that never change: War is a Racket.

Yet, the right wing insists on the socialism of our exorbitantly expensive superpower and tax cut economics that benefit the rich the most.

Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor - Wikipedia

"Economist Dean Baker expressed similar views in his book The Conservative Nanny State: How the Wealthy Use the Government to Stay Rich and Get Richer, in which he pointed out several different policy areas in which government intervention is essential to preserving and enhancing wealth in the hands of a few."

Another problem that can't be corrected by "choosing" between Republican or Democrat.

not enough social morals for free to go around on the right wing? we could have solved simple poverty yesterday; but the right wing doesn't like it Because the Poor may benefit in modern economic times.

 

[pismoe]

CHECKMATE – Saudi Crown Prince MbS Sends Replacement Troops To Defend Kurds in Syria…

Yes, he might have had a OBL loverbmurdeted in Turkey, but it certainly seems he is NO FRIEND of Turkeys, and will use HIS TROOPS to replace WITHDRAWING American troops to help protect the Kurds, from Erdogan!....How much more of a WIN canTrump ask for!



Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and the DC Decepticons are concerned about the Kurdish groups in Syria as the President Trump withdraws U.S. forces. The concern stems from a possibility of Turkey taking hostile action toward our Kurdish allies. However, a new report from the region highlights Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is sending his forces to replace the U.S. troops.

SAUDI ARABIA – Saudi Arabia and the UAE have sent military forces to areas controlled by the Kurdish YPG group in north-east Syria, Turkey’s Yenisafak newspaper reported.

The paper said the forces will be stationed with US-led coalition troops and will support its tasks with huge military enforcements as well as heavy and light weapons.


Quoting the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, the newspaper reported that a convoy of troops belonging to an Arab Gulf state recently arrived in the contact area between the Kurdish PKK/YPG and Daesh in the Deir Ez-Zor countryside.

This comes at a time when Ankara is preparing to launch an expanded military operation with the Free Syrian Army against the Kurdish PKK group in the northeast of Syria. (read more)

Now let’s consider the brilliance of this move.

First, remember Turkish President Recep Erdogan was the antagonist in the Kashoggi matter and Erdogan orchestrated the blame toward Saudi Crown Prince MbS. There is no better motivated mid-east ally to protect the Kurds against any military action by Turkey other than MbS. No doubt MbS and UAE will send their best forces.

Secondly, what military equipment will MbS and the UAE be shipping along with their military troops? Those would be military purchases directly from the U.S.

Third, who stood up against international pressure and refused to condemn MbS over the Kashoggi matter? That would be a strategic U.S. President Trump. MbS owes a favor; see how that works?

Fourth, what leverage does U.S President Trump have toward Turkey in order to further facilitate no hostile action? That would be the economic leverage of current sanctions against Iran; and the option of controlling/punishing any economic engagement therein.

So to summarize: President Trump withdraws U.S. troops from Syria, and leverages his relationship with MbS to step up to replace them, thereby eliminating any concern that Turkey might take hostile action toward our Kurdish allies in Northern Syria.

Our troops come home; and a stable transition is ensured by a regional ally.

How do you like them apples !....Trump is indeed a STABLE GENIUS!

CHECKMATE – Saudi Crown Prince MbS Sends Replacement Troops To Defend Kurds in Syria…

--------------------------------- everyone just seems to gloss over , not read or ignore your info and its good news engineered by The Strategic President TRUMP Purge !!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

In regards to the poor in this country...........tell me how much they pay in Federal Income taxes....

More than they should. And they should get back more in credits. That money all goes right back into the economy, and more people participating in the economy to a higher degree and more people being secure only strengthens the economy and heightens our national security.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If tax cuts only benefit the rich, then that means only the rich are paying taxes. Is that fair?

Your goofy hyperbole aside, yes, it's fair that they pay not only more but a higher porportion.

 

[pismoe]

CHECKMATE – Saudi Crown Prince MbS Sends Replacement Troops To Defend Kurds in Syria…

Yes, he might have had a OBL loverbmurdeted in Turkey, but it certainly seems he is NO FRIEND of Turkeys, and will use HIS TROOPS to replace WITHDRAWING American troops to help protect the Kurds, from Erdogan!....How much more of a WIN canTrump ask for!



Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and the DC Decepticons are concerned about the Kurdish groups in Syria as the President Trump withdraws U.S. forces. The concern stems from a possibility of Turkey taking hostile action toward our Kurdish allies. However, a new report from the region highlights Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is sending his forces to replace the U.S. troops.

SAUDI ARABIA – Saudi Arabia and the UAE have sent military forces to areas controlled by the Kurdish YPG group in north-east Syria, Turkey’s Yenisafak newspaper reported.

The paper said the forces will be stationed with US-led coalition troops and will support its tasks with huge military enforcements as well as heavy and light weapons.


Quoting the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, the newspaper reported that a convoy of troops belonging to an Arab Gulf state recently arrived in the contact area between the Kurdish PKK/YPG and Daesh in the Deir Ez-Zor countryside.

This comes at a time when Ankara is preparing to launch an expanded military operation with the Free Syrian Army against the Kurdish PKK group in the northeast of Syria. (read more)

Now let’s consider the brilliance of this move.

First, remember Turkish President Recep Erdogan was the antagonist in the Kashoggi matter and Erdogan orchestrated the blame toward Saudi Crown Prince MbS. There is no better motivated mid-east ally to protect the Kurds against any military action by Turkey other than MbS. No doubt MbS and UAE will send their best forces.

Secondly, what military equipment will MbS and the UAE be shipping along with their military troops? Those would be military purchases directly from the U.S.

Third, who stood up against international pressure and refused to condemn MbS over the Kashoggi matter? That would be a strategic U.S. President Trump. MbS owes a favor; see how that works?

Fourth, what leverage does U.S President Trump have toward Turkey in order to further facilitate no hostile action? That would be the economic leverage of current sanctions against Iran; and the option of controlling/punishing any economic engagement therein.

So to summarize: President Trump withdraws U.S. troops from Syria, and leverages his relationship with MbS to step up to replace them, thereby eliminating any concern that Turkey might take hostile action toward our Kurdish allies in Northern Syria.

Our troops come home; and a stable transition is ensured by a regional ally.

How do you like them apples !....Trump is indeed a STABLE GENIUS!

CHECKMATE – Saudi Crown Prince MbS Sends Replacement Troops To Defend Kurds in Syria…

--------------------------------- everyone just seems to gloss over , not read or ignore your info and its good news engineered by The Strategic President TRUMP Purge !!

-------------------------------------------- but the news of the Saudi Arabians and other American Allies working with the ' kurds' is starting to come out on TV Purge . Plus i just heard , don't know if it is true but i am hearing the 'mattis' was one of 'mrobamas' boys .

 

[Darkwind]

In regards to the poor in this country...........tell me how much they pay in Federal Income taxes....

More than they should. And they should get back more in credits. That money all goes right back into the economy, and more people participating in the economy to a higher degree and more people being secure only strengthens the economy and heightens our national security.

I wonder if you even realize that no one can spend themselves to prosperity?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

In regards to the poor in this country...........tell me how much they pay in Federal Income taxes....

More than they should. And they should get back more in credits. That money all goes right back into the economy, and more people participating in the economy to a higher degree and more people being secure only strengthens the economy and heightens our national security.

I wonder if you even realize that no one can spend themselves to prosperity?

Well that was nonsensical and irrelevant...

 

[The Purge]

– A delegation of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) has arrived in Moscow to discuss a possible plan to stop a Turkish attack as well as the future of the east of the Euphrates, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) said on Sunday.

The SOHR cited sources which said the SDF delegation and Russian authorities were expected to meet in Moscow “in the coming hours” to discuss the future of east Euphrates.

According to the monitor, the Russians offered to deploy border guards from the Syrian army in the border area from the east of Euphrates to the Tigris River in the Syrian – Iraqi – Turkish border triangle.

However, SOHR said debates continue about who would manage the areas that are under the control of the SDF in the east of the Euphrates.

It said the SDF demands Moscow to send regular Syrian army forces and not the Iran-backed Popular Defense Forces that were deployed on Feb. 20 in Afrin. Turkish airstrikes killed around 36 of them.

So far, SDF officials and those from the Democratic Union Party (PYD) have not confirmed the news. “I have no information about this,” one senior official told Kurdistan 24.

Maxwell B. Markusen, an Associate Fellow of the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), said the Russians are now the Kurds’ best chance for survival.

“A negotiated settlement with the Russians and Assad regime is not likely to give the Kurds the same degree of autonomy enjoyed under the US-led coalition, but would represent a change from the brutal oppression and lack of civil rights that the Kurds faced before the Syrian civil war,” he told Kurdistan 24.

Read more at kurdistan24.net ...

 

[Darkwind]

In regards to the poor in this country...........tell me how much they pay in Federal Income taxes....

More than they should. And they should get back more in credits. That money all goes right back into the economy, and more people participating in the economy to a higher degree and more people being secure only strengthens the economy and heightens our national security.

I wonder if you even realize that no one can spend themselves to prosperity?

Well that was nonsensical and irrelevant...

It directly addressed you're hilarious belief that we can tax and spend our way to prosperity.

Not My problem your too fucking stupid to understand it.

 

[jehanne1431]

After U.S. Troops Leave Syria, What Happens Next?

The same thing that will happen whenever the USA leaves Syria. Chaos and violence.

I wish Trump did not pull the troops, but Islam is so flawed they will never be at peace with each other or anyone else.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

A limited U.S. military role in Syria has had an outsize impact over the past four years.


A “limited presence?” An estimated 2,000 troops is a limited presence? Gimme a break.


And how are we helping the Kurds fight the rebels when Turkey – our supposed ally – is trying to wipe out the Kurds?

Iran and Russia claim a victory: Iran has invested heavily with military and economic assistance to prop up Assad since the beginning of the war. Russian President Vladimir Putin sent military forces to support Syria in 2015, the year after the U.S. entered the war.

Both Iran and Russia would view it as a major success if the American military leaves and Assad continues to consolidate power. The same would be true for Hezbollah, the Lebanese group that has fought alongside Assad's forces.

Turkey launches offensive against the Kurds: While the U.S. has partnered with the YPG, the Syrian Kurdish militia, Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan views them as terrorists who threaten his country. Turkey has signaled it wants to launch an offensive in northern Syria against the Kurdish group. Such a move could destabilize a mostly calm area, displacing civilians and touching off new refugee flows.

So what? Our president is doing what should have been done years ago – getting out of another place we have no business being in.

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Putin is pleased with his protégé, Donald Trump.

In Putin's mind, Trump has achieved successes beyond his expectations. It began with Trump's acquiescence to Putin at Helsinki, forsaking his own intelligence agencies and accepting Putin's word that Russia did not interfere in our 2016 election because Putin sounded forceful.

Fired being a euphemism for forcing to retire, Trump has fired key members of his administration recently. They were advisors who contributed much to Trump's administration. Too much, and they often had differing viewpoints. For that, Trump fired them. Just in the last few months, Sessions, Haley, McGahn, Zinke, Kelly, Mattis and Ayers have all been fired.

That is the attorney general, the U.N. ambassador, the White House counsel, the Interior Secretary, Trump's chief of staff, Trump's favored replacement for chief of staff, and the Defense Secretary. Often, as in the case of Heather Nauert, Matt Whitaker, and Patrick Shanahan, they are replaced by people new at the job because Trump does not want someone who will actually voice his/her opinion.

As a consequence, the federal government is seriously weakened thanks to Trump and Putin could not be more pleased.

Trump then surrendered the field to Syrian and Russian forces along with the forces of the terrorist organization known as ISIS. This also gives a free hand to Putin's ally and America's enemy, Iran. Putin was flabbergasted when Trump withdrew all U.S. forces from Syria simply because the Turkish leader, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, asked him to ... flabbergasted, but jumping with joy. Putin's much needed warm water naval facility at Tartus and his huge airbase are secure. Russia's proxy war with the U.S. in Syria is won.

Last, but certainly not least, Trump shuts down the entire federal government just before Christmas. His excuse is an ineffectual wall. In the process, Trump managed to embarrass the Senate Majority Leader and the leadership of his own party in the Republican-held Congress. Combined with Trump's retreat in Syria and the loss of key members of his administration, chaos reigns supreme in Washington.

If Putin had managed to install a former KGB agent in the White House, he could not have done better than Donald Trump. There is little wonder why Putin is jumping with glee.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It directly addressed you're hilarious belief that we can tax and spend our way to prosperity.

But that is not what I said. But yes, taxing and spending are part of prosperity, no doubt. As all the evidence shows. Sorry goober, the year 1400 called, they said feudalism doesn;t work.

 

[The Purge]

WITHDRAWING FROM SYRIA IMPLEMENTS THE TRUMP DOCTRINE

Withdrawing from Syria Implements the Trump Doctrine That’s what it takes to actually win. December 24, 2018 Daniel Greenfield

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist and writer focusing on the radical Left and Islamic terrorism.

“We need to be more unpredictable to adversaries," President Trump had declared.

In the spring of the year, he pounded Syria with air strikes after chemical weapons were used, obliterating Obama’s red line disgrace, and restoring American deterrence and credibility.

But the day before the strikes happened, he had tweeted, “Never said when an attack on Syria would take place. Could be very soon or not so soon at all!”

Now, in the last wintry days of the year, he suddenly announced a pullout of American troops from Syria. But the move only took those by surprise who hadn’t been paying attention all along.

When our first major airstrikes began, Trump had warned, “America does not seek an indefinite presence in Syria… under no circumstances.”

Politicians usually say things like that. But Trump remains unpredictable by actually saying what he means in a business where everyone assumes that you mean the opposite of what you say.

“I would not go into Syria, but if I did it would be by surprise and not blurted all over the media like fools,” Trump had tweeted five years ago.

Trump’s actions in Syria encompass his preference for flexibility, quick strikes or withdrawals with no long term commitment. And that’s exactly what frustrates a national security establishment whose watershed moment was still the post-war reconstruction of Germany and Japan. They foolishly misread Trump by confusing commitment with consistency, and unpredictability with inconsistency,

Our foreign policy, crafted by unimaginative diplomats, who despite their pretentions have nothing in common with the flashing wit of a Talleyrand or the cunning calculation of a Metternich, is based on creating trust by being utterly predictable. They’ve succeeded brilliantly at being utterly predictable. And they’ve failed at using this predictability as leverage to build a trustworthy international order.

Trump has brilliantly wielded his unpredictability to make America into a mobile piece on the world chessboard. America has the ability to rapidly deploy troops around the world and pull them out. But we were too bogged down in a swamp of our own ideological abstractions to make use of our capabilities.

Establishment thinking deploys American troops in the 21st century like British soldiers in the 19th. The deployments never end. Instead we set up little colonies of contractors, mercenaries, reporters, aid workers, and try to bring civilization to the savages at the cost of endless blood and treasure.

These outposts of a phantom imperial order of the new age of humanity become besieged fortresses, islands in a sea of savagery which we are obligated to defend, and they attract our enemies who immediately begin funneling money and weapons, turning the guerrillas we were fighting into an even bigger threat. These humanitarian empires end up being neither imperial nor humanitarian.

Trump understands that there’s no point in maintaining a doomed foreign colony of tens of thousands in Afghanistan, or setting one up in Syria. These colonies give meaning and purpose to their populations, experts, analysts, journalists, aid workers, who shape our foreign policy, but they don’t help America.

The Trump Doctrine rejects these nation building colonies. It wields American power as part of an enduring strategy to build up American power by establishing deterrence, strength and flexibility. Its emphasis is on inflicting rapid blows and moving on, of turning our problems into other people’s problems, and of extracting economic victories from the chaos of foreign policy strife.

It throws out the idea that America must maintain an international order at its own expense, without anyone else being willing to do their fair share or do anything meaningful to serve our own interests.

None of this is a surprise.

Trump has been very consistent in conveying this same message throughout the campaign. But a blinkered establishment refused to take him at his word and is now shocked that he really means it.

When he bombed Syria, they assumed that he had come around to their way of thinking. Instead Trump was implementing his way of thinking, punishing Assad, sending a message to Russia, and moving on.

Even Secretary of Defense Mattis had originally called the strikes on Syria, a “one-time shot.”

Trump had rejected nation building during the campaign and after taking office. Just last December, he had introduced his national security strategy by warning that, “Our leaders engaged in nation-building abroad, while they failed to build up and replenish our nation at home. They undercut and shortchanged our men and women in uniform with inadequate resources, unstable funding, and unclear missions. They failed to insist that our often very wealthy allies pay their fair share for defense, putting a massive and unfair burden on the U.S. taxpayer and our great U.S. military.”

He had also noted that, “In Afghanistan, our troops are no longer undermined by artificial timelines, and we no longer tell our enemies of our plans.”

Last summer, Trump’s speech on Afghanistan had described a shift away from nation-building and the ridiculous timelines for withdrawal that had defined previous administrations. We would, Trump said, “shift from a time-based approach to one of condition". Instead of inflexible commitments, we would maintain flexible options, and respond to the situation, rather than following a fixed plan.

That’s what he’s doing.

We’re "not nation-building again,” he had declared. “We are killing terrorists.”

During the campaign, Trump had complained, “We’re nation-building, trying to tell people who have dictators or worse for centuries how to run their own countries.” He had made it clear that he might occasionally support short term interventions to solve “a problem going on in the world and you can solve the problem”, but not futile efforts to transform failed states into democracies.

Trump’s strategy has remained consistent. The only real question was not “if”, but “when”.

The establishment’s confusion is understandable. When George W. Bush ran for office, he fiercely condemned the nation-building exercises of the Clinton administration in Haiti and Somalia.

“I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation-building,” Bush had declared.

But then he got sucked into the seductive idea that the best way to end Islamic terrorism would be to change the political conditions of the Muslim world. In the Bush era, nation-building was used to introduce democracy into anti-American Muslim dictatorships. In the Obama era, the democracy push was perverted into a means of overthrowing allied Muslim dictators and replacing them with Muslim Brotherhood regimes. And yet many establishment Republicans continued to support this policy.

Syria began as an extension of the Arab Spring. Most of the Senate Republicans who want us to stay there are the same people who voted for a pro-Iran resolution opposing the Saudi campaign in Yemen. They’re not pushing us to remain in Syria to stop Iran. And they couldn’t care less about the Kurds. They want Syria to be a repeat of Libya with American military force being used for Muslim Brotherhood nation-building. And that is not in our national interests and it’s not what Trump or Americans want.

Trump’s main critics on Syria continue lying to us and lying to themselves that Syria will turn into a free democratic and secular country. But Trump isn’t interested in living in their fantasy world.

The Trump Doctrine has clearly and consistently rejected nation-building and extended interventions. Trump has said that America is not the world’s policeman. And, unlike most politicians, he’s meant it.

But Trump also isn’t afraid to be unpredictable.

He can go back into Syria, just as he left Syria. That’s the whole point. Instead of turning American soldiers into permanent targets, protecting a population of contractors, aid workers and reporters, with young boys from Tennessee and North Dakota getting their legs blown off so that the New York Times can get a Pulitzer Prize photo and a charity org can get more donors, he’s using our military power as a foil instead of a broadsword, landing a series of quick blows and then, unexpectedly, moving on.

That’s radically different from the military strategy that has bogged us down for a century. It’s smart and brilliant in exactly the way that the foreign establishment thinks that it is, but actually isn’t.

The establishment assails Trump as “inconsistent”. It values consistency above all else because it has no strategies, only ideological commitments to abstract ideas that don’t survive places like Afghanistan.

The abstract ideas on which our nation-building is based are not strategies. They’re values. And too many administrations, Democrat and Republican, have built wishful thinking strategies around values. Ideas and values are expressions of belief. Strategies are flexible plans based on real opportunities.

The Trump Doctrine is consistent in the abstract. It’s flexible in its implementation. That’s what it takes to actually win against terrorists, guerrillas and cunning enemies that seize opportunities instead of upholding ideas. And the establishment’s failure to understand that is why we’ve spent decades losing.

 

[Eugene]

After U.S. Troops Leave Syria, What Happens Next?

Isis wins, we loose....

~S~

Wrong!
ISIS is American creature.
They (ISIS) will lose their sponsor and defender at the territory.

 

[Eugene]

USA have been leaving Afghanistan for 17 years...
So will be in Syria.
USA authorities are lying always.

But this time if staying in Syria they risk to be destroyed.

Anyway if USA leaves country gets chance for peace.

Oh shit ...........here comes the Ruskies to kill us all...

Not "ruskies" but "russkiye"
Russkiye are the most peaceful! And they never come to kill anyone just saving from evil

 

[Eugene]

After U.S. Troops Leave Syria, What Happens Next?

The same thing that will happen whenever the USA leaves Syria. Chaos and violence.

I wish Trump did not pull the troops, but Islam is so flawed they will never be at peace with each other or anyone else.

Chaos and violence came to Syria after USA came there! As well as in Iraq before, in Lybia, in Yugoslavia...any place pindos come chaos and violence rule.
You leave - chance for peace appears!

 

[eagle1462010]

USA have been leaving Afghanistan for 17 years...
So will be in Syria.
USA authorities are lying always.

But this time if staying in Syria they risk to be destroyed.

Anyway if USA leaves country gets chance for peace.

Oh shit ...........here comes the Ruskies to kill us all...

Not "ruskies" but "russkiye"
Russkiye are the most peaceful! And they never come to kill anyone just saving from evil

Well we say the same thing..........meet in the middle it's gonna get ugly now isn't it.....

9/11 took us to War..........endless War........and the politicians didn't understand the mentality of the region.....thought they'd accept DEMOCRACY when they are ruled by Religion.........and so here we are.

As far as I'm concerned about the Middle East.........those who want that dang region can have it........make it a petting zoo for all I care.

 

[dannyboys]

A limited U.S. military role in Syria has had an outsize impact over the past four years.


A “limited presence?” An estimated 2,000 troops is a limited presence? Gimme a break.


And how are we helping the Kurds fight the rebels when Turkey – our supposed ally – is trying to wipe out the Kurds?

Iran and Russia claim a victory: Iran has invested heavily with military and economic assistance to prop up Assad since the beginning of the war. Russian President Vladimir Putin sent military forces to support Syria in 2015, the year after the U.S. entered the war.

Both Iran and Russia would view it as a major success if the American military leaves and Assad continues to consolidate power. The same would be true for Hezbollah, the Lebanese group that has fought alongside Assad's forces.

Turkey launches offensive against the Kurds: While the U.S. has partnered with the YPG, the Syrian Kurdish militia, Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan views them as terrorists who threaten his country. Turkey has signaled it wants to launch an offensive in northern Syria against the Kurdish group. Such a move could destabilize a mostly calm area, displacing civilians and touching off new refugee flows.

So what? Our president is doing what should have been done years ago – getting out of another place we have no business being in.

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Senators Urge Trump to Abandon Syria Pullout @ Senators Urge Trump to Abandon Syria Pullout

Syria’s Kurds reel from U.S. move, Assad seen planning next step @ Syria’s Kurds reel from U.S. move, Assad seen planning next step | One America News Network

France to stay in Syria after Trump orders US troops home @ France to stay in Syria after Trump orders US troops home – minister

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Putin is pleased with his protégé, Donald Trump.

In Putin's mind, Trump has achieved successes beyond his expectations. It began with Trump's acquiescence to Putin at Helsinki, forsaking his own intelligence agencies and accepting Putin's word that Russia did not interfere in our 2016 election because Putin sounded forceful.

Fired being a euphemism for forcing to retire, Trump has fired key members of his administration recently. They were advisors who contributed much to Trump's administration. Too much, and they often had differing viewpoints. For that, Trump fired them. Just in the last few months, Sessions, Haley, McGahn, Zinke, Kelly, Mattis and Ayers have all been fired.

That is the attorney general, the U.N. ambassador, the White House counsel, the Interior Secretary, Trump's chief of staff, Trump's favored replacement for chief of staff, and the Defense Secretary. Often, as in the case of Heather Nauert, Matt Whitaker, and Patrick Shanahan, they are replaced by people new at the job because Trump does not want someone who will actually voice his/her opinion.

As a consequence, the federal government is seriously weakened thanks to Trump and Putin could not be more pleased.

Trump then surrendered the field to Syrian and Russian forces along with the forces of the terrorist organization known as ISIS. This also gives a free hand to Putin's ally and America's enemy, Iran. Putin was flabbergasted when Trump withdrew all U.S. forces from Syria simply because the Turkish leader, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, asked him to ... flabbergasted, but jumping with joy. Putin's much needed warm water naval facility at Tartus and his huge airbase are secure. Russia's proxy war with the U.S. in Syria is won.

Last, but certainly not least, Trump shuts down the entire federal government just before Christmas. His excuse is an ineffectual wall. In the process, Trump managed to embarrass the Senate Majority Leader and the leadership of his own party in the Republican-held Congress. Combined with Trump's retreat in Syria and the loss of key members of his administration, chaos reigns supreme in Washington.

If Putin had managed to install a former KGB agent in the White House, he could not have done better than Donald Trump. There is little wonder why Putin is jumping with glee.

At least have the intellectual honesty to use quotation marks when you C&P someone else's work product you fucking jerk!
On some other forums you would be permanently banned.

 

[danielpalos]

let's ask the UN for a regiment or two.

 

[Baron]

A sea of Israel's tears