After U.S. Troops Leave Syria, What Happens Next?

[longknife]

After U.S. Troops Leave Syria, What Happens Next?

Isis wins, we loose....

~S~

Wrong!
ISIS is American creature.
They (ISIS) will lose their sponsor and defender at the territory.

A typical ignorant Leftist claim with no substantiation.

ISIS was a creature of the Obama administration.

 

[longknife]

A limited U.S. military role in Syria has had an outsize impact over the past four years.


A “limited presence?” An estimated 2,000 troops is a limited presence? Gimme a break.


And how are we helping the Kurds fight the rebels when Turkey – our supposed ally – is trying to wipe out the Kurds?

Iran and Russia claim a victory: Iran has invested heavily with military and economic assistance to prop up Assad since the beginning of the war. Russian President Vladimir Putin sent military forces to support Syria in 2015, the year after the U.S. entered the war.

Both Iran and Russia would view it as a major success if the American military leaves and Assad continues to consolidate power. The same would be true for Hezbollah, the Lebanese group that has fought alongside Assad's forces.

Turkey launches offensive against the Kurds: While the U.S. has partnered with the YPG, the Syrian Kurdish militia, Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan views them as terrorists who threaten his country. Turkey has signaled it wants to launch an offensive in northern Syria against the Kurdish group. Such a move could destabilize a mostly calm area, displacing civilians and touching off new refugee flows.

So what? Our president is doing what should have been done years ago – getting out of another place we have no business being in.

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Putin is pleased with his protégé, Donald Trump.

In Putin's mind, Trump has achieved successes beyond his expectations. It began with Trump's acquiescence to Putin at Helsinki, forsaking his own intelligence agencies and accepting Putin's word that Russia did not interfere in our 2016 election because Putin sounded forceful.

Fired being a euphemism for forcing to retire, Trump has fired key members of his administration recently. They were advisors who contributed much to Trump's administration. Too much, and they often had differing viewpoints. For that, Trump fired them. Just in the last few months, Sessions, Haley, McGahn, Zinke, Kelly, Mattis and Ayers have all been fired.

That is the attorney general, the U.N. ambassador, the White House counsel, the Interior Secretary, Trump's chief of staff, Trump's favored replacement for chief of staff, and the Defense Secretary. Often, as in the case of Heather Nauert, Matt Whitaker, and Patrick Shanahan, they are replaced by people new at the job because Trump does not want someone who will actually voice his/her opinion.

As a consequence, the federal government is seriously weakened thanks to Trump and Putin could not be more pleased.

Trump then surrendered the field to Syrian and Russian forces along with the forces of the terrorist organization known as ISIS. This also gives a free hand to Putin's ally and America's enemy, Iran. Putin was flabbergasted when Trump withdrew all U.S. forces from Syria simply because the Turkish leader, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, asked him to ... flabbergasted, but jumping with joy. Putin's much needed warm water naval facility at Tartus and his huge airbase are secure. Russia's proxy war with the U.S. in Syria is won.

Last, but certainly not least, Trump shuts down the entire federal government just before Christmas. His excuse is an ineffectual wall. In the process, Trump managed to embarrass the Senate Majority Leader and the leadership of his own party in the Republican-held Congress. Combined with Trump's retreat in Syria and the loss of key members of his administration, chaos reigns supreme in Washington.

If Putin had managed to install a former KGB agent in the White House, he could not have done better than Donald Trump. There is little wonder why Putin is jumping with glee.

At least have the intellectual honesty to use quotation marks when you C&P someone else's work product you fucking jerk!
On some other forums you would be permanently banned.

Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.
Need to revert to childish name-calling.

 

[blackhawk]

Syria will remain a shithole ruled by a despot just as it is now.

 

[Eugene]

After U.S. Troops Leave Syria, What Happens Next?

Isis wins, we loose....

~S~

Wrong!
ISIS is American creature.
They (ISIS) will lose their sponsor and defender at the territory.

A typical ignorant Leftist claim with no substantiation.

ISIS was a creature of the Obama administration.

Who in the world cares - Obama, Shmobama, Trump...
For other countries there is USA and its aggressive policy!

USA wasn't led by Obsmz in 1970s whdn you created Mojaheds in Afghanistan who transformed into Talibs later.
USA wasn't led by Obama when you financed radical islamic extremists for terroristic attacks in Chechnya and neighbouring regions of Russia.

 

[Eugene]

Syria will remain a shithole ruled by a despot just as it is now.

What a nice position!
Syria was secular state with the highest level of freedom in the region. While your ally Saudi, Qatar are still really a despotic radical islamic countries with no freedom for women, gays and even non Arabic citizens. But you don't try to democratize them.
It is not about American wish to bring liberty and freedom but it is only strategic games for economic dominating!

 

[Marion Morrison]

Where do the Sauds stand on Assad?

Erdogan has zero business being outside of his own borders.

I think a Kurdish state should be established in Southern Iraq.

Not sure why US has Erdogan for an ally, but I don't like it.

 

[Eugene]

USA have been leaving Afghanistan for 17 years...
So will be in Syria.
USA authorities are lying always.

But this time if staying in Syria they risk to be destroyed.

Anyway if USA leaves country gets chance for peace.

Oh shit ...........here comes the Ruskies to kill us all...

Not "ruskies" but "russkiye"
Russkiye are the most peaceful! And they never come to kill anyone just saving from evil

Well we say the same thing..........meet in the middle it's gonna get ugly now isn't it.....

9/11 took us to War..........endless War........and the politicians didn't understand the mentality of the region.....thought they'd accept DEMOCRACY when they are ruled by Religion.........and so here we are.

As far as I'm concerned about the Middle East.........those who want that dang region can have it........make it a petting zoo for all I care.

911 was not a resl reason for US starting that war. Do you still believe those buildings would fall down so accurately after plane attacks? They were professionally exploded! Besides there are some more interesting facts about that terrible incident proving that it could not be organized by terrorists without professional help. (Building 3, insurance, etc.)

So, for me US authorities created nice reason to start the war. And set the Middle East on fire.

Why do you bring your democracy to other countries?
1. It is not a democracy , actually.
2. You do not bring same as American way of living in fact.
3. Let other nations to be free to choose their way of living.
4. Why do you think your interference is ok while others interference to your life is wrong?
5. Do you really believe you may force someone to be happier? By killing and by firing?

 

[eagle1462010]

USA have been leaving Afghanistan for 17 years...
So will be in Syria.
USA authorities are lying always.

But this time if staying in Syria they risk to be destroyed.

Anyway if USA leaves country gets chance for peace.

Oh shit ...........here comes the Ruskies to kill us all...

Not "ruskies" but "russkiye"
Russkiye are the most peaceful! And they never come to kill anyone just saving from evil

Well we say the same thing..........meet in the middle it's gonna get ugly now isn't it.....

9/11 took us to War..........endless War........and the politicians didn't understand the mentality of the region.....thought they'd accept DEMOCRACY when they are ruled by Religion.........and so here we are.

As far as I'm concerned about the Middle East.........those who want that dang region can have it........make it a petting zoo for all I care.

911 was not a resl reason for US starting that war. Do you still believe those buildings would fall down so accurately after plane attacks? They were professionally exploded! Besides there are some more interesting facts about that terrible incident proving that it could not be organized by terrorists without professional help. (Building 3, insurance, etc.)

So, for me US authorities created nice reason to start the war. And set the Middle East on fire.

Why do you bring your democracy to other countries?
1. It is not a democracy , actually.
2. You do not bring same as American way of living in fact.
3. Let other nations to be free to choose their way of living.
4. Why do you think your interference is ok while others interference to your life is wrong?
5. Do you really believe you may force someone to be happier? By killing and by firing?

LOL

The planes carried a lot of jet fuel.........enough to get through the fireproofing and melt the steel........with all that weight above it collapsed...That is a conspiracy theory............

In regards to our response......Afghanistan needed to be hit......cause the asshole that did it was there.......and when Pakistan held him the Taliban region there should have been hit.............

Iraq was a mistake and it bled to Syria........and the so called Arab spring brought about by food riots.......

I don't want us there anymore............at the same time your country hasn't been angels either........and you fund Iran and Syria who have in the past caused problems.......

We need to leave............but don't push the your the angels to me...........

 

[karpenter]

Turned Our Backs On The Kurds After Kuwait, Too
Kurds Are Prolly Used To People Just Killing Them By Now...

 

[blackhawk]

Syria will remain a shithole ruled by a despot just as it is now.

What a nice position!
Syria was secular state with the highest level of freedom in the region. While your ally Saudi, Qatar are still really a despotic radical islamic countries with no freedom for women, gays and even non Arabic citizens. But you don't try to democratize them.
It is not about American wish to bring liberty and freedom but it is only strategic games for economic dominating!

Syria was and is and will continue to be an authoritarian regime the only people who have freedom under Assad are those who obey him without question. It is that way with every country in the region outside of Israel the only difference between these other countries is the degree to how authoritarian they are it was been that way for a very very long time wise up.

 

[Eugene]

When high buildings are falling they never fall so accurately. It is a real science how to make it fall down and not to crush neighboring buildings.
Ok, believe in what you wish to.

Afghanistan increased producing and selling drugs almost twice after USA came there.
Terrorists there were not killed but became mord organized and widely spread.
A lot of civilians killed by your attacks. Who cares about those monkeys, right?

'Iraq was a mistake' wow! Imagine such a mistake about your home!

Iraq, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria... more than a million is killed, tens millions of refugees... Yes you hit Europe by those refugees and EU is not competitive for you anymore as they faced huge problems because of your 'mistakes'.

As for Russia in the region...we must be there as it is our neighbors snd if they burn today, we will burn tomorrow. And Europe is the best illustration.
Pay attention Russia never insists on who must rule a country, how it should be ruled... just make it calm and helps to organize elections.
Not angels, they have their own interests...economical and strategic...but those interests are never fatal for local civilians.

Compare Aleppo liberated by Russia and Raqqa ruined by USA. Order and life in Aleppo today and thousands of decomposing corpses in ruins in Raqqa now.

 

[eagle1462010]

When high buildings are falling they never fall so accurately. It is a real science how to make it fall down and not to crush neighboring buildings.
Ok, believe in what you wish to.

Been debunked and it wasn't the first time they attacked us........decades of smaller attacks but I guess you didn't notice.

Afghanistan increased producing and selling drugs almost twice after USA came there.
Terrorists there were not killed but became mord organized and widely spread.
A lot of civilians killed by your attacks. Who cares about those monkeys, right?

We considered Al Queda and the Taliban terrorist.....and killed them.........that is what you do in War........but unlike Russia we actually won there and didn't get chased out.............Your country did the same thing there..........and you complain at me.

In regards to the drug production there...........yeah..........why we need to get the hell out........we aren't there to protect their dang drug trade.

Iraq, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria... more than a million is killed, tens millions of refugees... Yes you hit Europe by those refugees and EU is not competitive for you anymore as they faced huge problems because of your 'mistakes'.

Arab Spring caused a lot of it.............and Obama should have left Libya alone.......we are in agreement on that one.

The Middle east has been having Caliphates since Mohomed.......nothing is going to change that and these caliphates always lead to War........

Best to stay out of the region..........and let them kill each other.........

As for Russia in the region...we must be there as it is our neighbors snd if they burn today, we will burn tomorrow. And Europe is the best illustration.
Pay attention Russia never insists on who must rule a country, how it should be ruled... just make it calm and helps to organize elections.
Not angels, they have their own interests...economical and strategic...but those interests are never fatal for local civilians.

For your own interests.........Syria for a naval base.........Iran and Syria for weapons sells...........and don't forget who armed Syria, Egypt way back when to attack Israel.............that was Russia ............and Sadat ended that under Carter....the Arab League killed him for it...........

Russia lost that alliance did it not..........LOL.........Obama nearly screwed it up...........

In regards to Israel.........any of the countries there attack it............they will be facing us.....including Russia.......

Just so we can be clear where we stand.

 

[longknife]

What the hell does this thread have to do with 9/11?

 

[Eugene]

Your civilization had torn India into 2 countries (India and Pakistan) which later led to growth of islamism.
You created Israel in holy lands in 1945 which led to long-lasting bloody confessional conflict.
You armed middle east kingdoms in 1970s-1980s and allowed them to spread their radical Islam like salaphit.
Your armed and taught Islamic fanatics to fight against USSR in Afghanistan and got own asses kicked by them. Mojaheds, Taliban, al-Qaeda, An-nusra were created by you...Bin Laden was your beast...

You behave like a child playing with matches...always risking to make a fire...and it happens time to time but you are stupid and cannot make a conclusion that it is dangerous.

Naval base in Syria? Yes.
And how many bases does USA have abroad? More than 800!
All Russia does is protecting own interests so that noone could dictate while usa is aiming to dominate in the world and it seems that nothing can help this planet until USA exists.

 

[eagle1462010]

Your civilization had torn India into 2 countries (India and Pakistan) which later led to growth of islamism.

They did that to themselves..........over religion........those splits were down Religious lines just as Bangledesh became a country because of it's religion.....without India Bangledesh would never have been a country at all and it would be East Pakistan............

Your side actually supported the correct side there..........Russia backed India and the U.S. backed Pakistan.......Pakistan is not our friends..........they hid Bin Laden and allowed Al Queda and the Taliban to have a safe place and then go into Afghanistan to fight.............

aka we finally killed his ass in Pakistan right down the street from their military academy......LOL

You created Israel in holy lands in 1945 which led to long-lasting bloody confessional conflict

We honored the deal that Britain made but didn't have the guts to even vote on..........And I'd remind you that the Grand Mufti fought with Hitler in WWII.......we didn't exactly give a shit what he thought as his forces helped with death camps in present day Bosnia..........and he was all on board with the extermination of the jews......

During the War Russia fucked Poland and built a wall in Germany to keep people in......hardly a time frame you can brag about because Stalin was an evil fucker.

You armed middle east kingdoms in 1970s-1980s and allowed them to spread their radical Islam like salaphit

We supported the Shah until the Jihadist took over there....before the fall of the shah women there had rights and could even show their heads in public.........imagine that........after Kumani.....Sharia law took place and turned the place into the theology it is today. ........yippie......and you support them.

Your armed and taught Islamic fanatics to fight against USSR in Afghanistan and got own asses kicked by them. Mojaheds, Taliban, al-Qaeda, An-nusra were created by you...Bin Laden was your beast...

And the USSR aka Russia invaded the place...........we provided support that helped drive you out..............in Vietnam you armed our enemy there............we were returning the favor.............why were you there in the first place..........LOL

We didn't get our asses kicked in Afghanistan........we are just stuck there.......the Northern alliance was the same group we helped fight Russia with...............and they are in control now.....the same areas Russia never took.......well........we took them........can't help you guys sucked there and no one liked you..........only half like us there now.

You behave like a child playing with matches...always risking to make a fire...and it happens time to time but you are stupid and cannot make a conclusion that it is dangerous.

Naval base in Syria? Yes.
And how many bases does USA have abroad? More than 800!
All Russia does is protecting own interests so that noone could dictate while usa is aiming to dominate in the world and it seems that nothing can help this planet until USA exists.

Blah blah blah............you want to kill us.......if you try you better have China on your side.....

 

[Eugene]

eagle1462010
Find out how Pakistan appeared. Brits split India not because of religion. In today India different religions present and it doesn't lead to any separation.

You killed Bin Laden. Did it change anything? Or it was just a show? Look how tough we are! Childish and silly.

In ww2 Poland was the first who attacked neighbors...don't you know about aggression against Czech? German and Polish took territories from them. France and Brits refused to help though they had to according to agreement. USSR tried to help but wasn't allowed by Poland to let red army help Czechs.
So Poland shouldn't complain. They were always aggressive. A nation of inferiority complex...always fucked by someone...

A wall was a reason of American policy. It was built by USSR as well as by USA. USA initiated cold war and started anticommunist propaganda, USA used nuclear weapon in Japan with the only aim - 'to demonstrate it to commies'
USA started conflict in Korea and Vietnam on the same reason - anti Russian policy...not because of some democratic values.

Speaking about Afghanistan remember that USSR in 1970s came there peacefully and built many factories, hospitals, schools, houses for living, many infrastructure objects... as well as it was done in neighboring Tajikistan. But you came there and started war. And Afghanistan is still in middle ages now because of you.
Whst you gave them? Nothing
But objects built by Russians are still used.

There wasn't any invading and you weren't liberating, don't lie to yourself.

I like observing your today's policy - how your bite each other fighting for power...it is nice, it leads you deeper and deeper down. Fine. Soon wish to see American collapse similar to ours of 1991. But yours would be much more bloody as you have much weapon in civilian's hands.
And the more of you believe you're the strongest the better...we in 1990s were the same blind.

 

[eagle1462010]

Find out how Pakistan appeared. Brits split India not because of religion. In today India different religions present and it doesn't lead to any separation.

The creation of the countries in the Middle East was screwed up by Britain and France.........and they were having massive problems with security with the same problems we have today...........they wanted the hell out because the violence never ended..........the countries created could have been done much better......originally they were going to create a Kurdistan but didn't do it........In the Palestinian territory much of what would have Palestine as a country was just given to Jordan...........Pakistan division also included an Eastern Pakistan which is present day Bangledesh.......which was a stupid move as well.

Regarding Pakistan.......they broke up during the times of Ghandi........there was hardly a single person on earth that wanted peace than Ghandi.....and even he failed to calm the storm that led to the CHAOS there..........

You killed Bin Laden. Did it change anything? Or it was just a show? Look how tough we are! Childish and silly.

He organized and attacked us.........and therefore he was marked to get killed..........overall did it change the mentality of the Middle East..........Nope.

n ww2 Poland was the first who attacked neighbors...don't you know about aggression against Czech? German and Polish took territories from them. France and Brits refused to help though they had to according to agreement. USSR tried to help but wasn't allowed by Poland to let red army help Czechs.
So Poland shouldn't complain. They were always aggressive. A nation of inferiority complex...always fucked by someone...

Stalin cut a deal with Hitler.........both wanted that land.........and Poland was attacked by both sides.......including the USSR........Stalin's purpose was a buffer for a war they knew they were going to fight at a later date........militarily was a good move by Stalin........but hardly to help Poland..........If the USSR's purpose was to help Poland they would have allowed them to become a country after the War.........then the USSR built a wall to keep people in and we had a cold war for a long time..........until the USSR was broken up because the people living there were tired of being subjects of the USSR..........

The Cold War started proxy wars all over the globe.......with our weapons and Russian weapons paying so others went to die.........Your country is no angel in the problems created by the Cold War......and both of our countries caused deaths around the globe for it...........Both sides are guilty of it.

A wall was a reason of American policy. It was built by USSR as well as by USA. USA initiated cold war and started anticommunist propaganda, USA used nuclear weapon in Japan with the only aim - 'to demonstrate it to commies'
USA started conflict in Korea and Vietnam on the same reason - anti Russian policy...not because of some democratic values.

Korea was invaded...........and we had an agreement to defend it..........and was sanctioned by far more countries than us...........many countries fought that to stop communism which was popular during that time..........our mistake was not fighting it to win and cutting the Chinese supply lines and winning it then......which created N. Korea and the problems we have today. South Korea has thrived and N. Korea is a complete mess.............the side your country wanted to support.....

Vietnam was a dumb ass war for nothing.......and even so.....we could have won that one had we fought it like a War.........but for what......NOTHING.

Speaking about Afghanistan remember that USSR in 1970s came there peacefully and built many factories, hospitals, schools, houses for living, many infrastructure objects... as well as it was done in neighboring Tajikistan. But you came there and started war. And Afghanistan is still in middle ages now because of you.
Whst you gave them? Nothing
But objects built by Russians are still used.

Russia went there for power.........and territory......and had their own Vietnam........just as Russia supplied the enemies of the United States in Vietnam.......we returned the favor.............Karma............then part of the group we helped..........later bit us in the ass........our Karma........but the Northern Alliance was part of that........which are with us today............but now it seems that we are protecting their dang drug trade............pfft.

I like observing your today's policy - how your bite each other fighting for power...it is nice, it leads you deeper and deeper down. Fine. Soon wish to see American collapse similar to ours of 1991. But yours would be much more bloody as you have much weapon in civilian's hands.
And the more of you believe you're the strongest the better...we in 1990s were the same blind.

America would never fall from abroad............only from within........our stupidity with spending money we don't have for programs and wars we can't afford will take us down..........and you are correct.........our population has more guns and ammo than any nation on this earth............largest standing army in the world...............That is correct.........and we are at each others throats on policy.............the USSR collapsed from within.........we are doing the same thing to ourselves...........but people refuse to change. it.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Turned Our Backs On The Kurds After Kuwait, Too
Kurds Are Prolly Used To People Just Killing Them By Now...

That's really pathetic.

 

[danielpalos]

A UN Brigade?

 

[eagle1462010]

Turned Our Backs On The Kurds After Kuwait, Too
Kurds Are Prolly Used To People Just Killing Them By Now...

That's really pathetic.

The issue now has nothing to do with ISIS............it has all to do with the countries involved in this War which are many trying to sort out the balance of power in the area........ISIS is no longer an issue as they are almost gone.

The SDF, witch changed it's name from the YPG, formally the PKK now control 25% of the territory of Syria with our help...........Syria backed by Russia and Iran want it back.......negotiations of some sort of rights for the Kurds have been falling apart.............In that scenario Syria would allow them to join Syria but they must promise not to use the territory as a launching platform to attack Turkey.

Turkey wants the Kurds gone..........want us out of the way so they can take them out...........as we tell them not to do so and at the same time tell the Kurds you can't use this area to attack Turkey..........Turkey is so concerned by this that they have established bases inside of Syria near their border and built a 600 mile wall with defensive positions across the entire Syrian border..........they are now in construction of 300 miles of wall and defensive positions at the borders of Iran and Iraq............for the same reason..........after the capture of Raqqa the SDF hoisted PKK leadership flags............

The other problem is the dispute of the Idlib area on the border of Turkey........were remaining elements of the FSA, El Nusra, and even Al Queda exist.....supported by the Turks..........Neither Syria or Turkey really want them so it's a no mans land.........Syria wanting to finish them off with Russian Support and Turkey threatening Syria if they come close to the border.

In Northern Iraq the Kurds have all but claimed Kurdistan there..........and now conflicts between Iraq and the PKK have begun again for control of oil rich areas that the Kurds want and Iraq wants..........pretty much the same in Iran........

The Kurds want a Kurdistan.........a country of their own..........none of the middle eastern countries want that..............if created they would attack it unless we are standing in the way........forcing us there for decades more in an endless war for many sides all wanting control of the region.

Given that scenario.............it's UTTER CHAOS with no good solutions .............and has caused rifts like Mattis over it............the dang middle east is flat out crazy and always has been.