eagle1462010
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After U.S. Troops Leave Syria, What Happens Next?
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Ha, same.
eagle1462010
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So...........should we get it over with and throw Turkey out of NATO..........or wait...........LOL
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first you have a conflict where syria isis turkey russia iran and the kurds and the us are involved.
We should contuine to support the kurds .but we should leave but contuine to fire missles at syria when they use gas etc.
Its a now win scenario in Syria.
Assad is backed by iran and russia to defeat syria we woukd have to fight everyone.
Our best choice is to let russia deal with the isis issue there and let the kurds fight them.
Now Afghanistan is a different issue.
We should contuine to support the kurds .but we should leave but contuine to fire missles at syria when they use gas etc.
Its a now win scenario in Syria.
Assad is backed by iran and russia to defeat syria we woukd have to fight everyone.
Our best choice is to let russia deal with the isis issue there and let the kurds fight them.
Now Afghanistan is a different issue.
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Why not? They own everything.Yet, the right wing insists on the socialism of our exorbitantly expensive superpower and tax cut economics that benefit the rich the most.https://michael-hudson.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/superimperialism.pdf (P. 4)those alleged wars should be unlawful if they are not being paid for with wartime tax rates.Rich people don't pay for wars with their taxes or their blood; they have debt slaves to fill those jobs. At the very least, congress should reassert its Constitutional authority to declare war.
If not now, when?
Jesus Christ, you people are insane fucking warmongers, all because you hate President Trump, not because you give a shit about Kurds or Syrians.
"How the United States makes other countries pay for its wars
" Since Europe’s Middle Ages and Renaissance, going to war has left nations with heavy public debts, which in turn have needed to be financed by raising taxes.
"Two centuries ago Adam Smith gave a list of how each new war borrowing in Britain led to a new tax being imposed to pay its interest charges. Militarily ambitious nations thus became indebted, high-tax and high-cost economies...."
"America’s war in Vietnam and Southeast Asia in the 1960s seemed to follow this time-honored scenario.
"U.S. overseas military spending ended up in the hands of foreign central banks, especially France, whose banks were the dominant financial institutions in Indo-China.
"Central banks cashed in these for gold nearly on a monthly basis from the 1965 troop buildup onward.
"Germany did on a quiet scale what General de Gaulle did with great fanfare in cashing in the dollars sent from France’s former colonies.
" By 1971 the U.S. dollar’s gold cover – legally 25 percent for Federal Reserve currency – was nearly depleted, and America withdrew from the London Gold Pool.
"The dollar no longer could be redeemed for gold at $35 an ounce.
"It seemed at the time that the Vietnam War had cost America its world financial position, just as World War I had stripped Britain and the rest of Europe of their financial leadership as a result of their Inter-Ally arms debts to the United States.
" But in going off gold the United States created a new kind of international financial system."
Among those things that never change: War is a Racket.
If tax cuts only benefit the rich, then that means only the rich are paying taxes. Is that fair?
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And Trump got what he wanted.
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A limited U.S. military role in Syria has had an outsize impact over the past four years.
A “limited presence?” An estimated 2,000 troops is a limited presence? Gimme a break.
And how are we helping the Kurds fight the rebels when Turkey – our supposed ally – is trying to wipe out the Kurds?
Iran and Russia claim a victory: Iran has invested heavily with military and economic assistance to prop up Assad since the beginning of the war. Russian President Vladimir Putin sent military forces to support Syria in 2015, the year after the U.S. entered the war.
Both Iran and Russia would view it as a major success if the American military leaves and Assad continues to consolidate power. The same would be true for Hezbollah, the Lebanese group that has fought alongside Assad's forces.
Turkey launches offensive against the Kurds: While the U.S. has partnered with the YPG, the Syrian Kurdish militia, Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan views them as terrorists who threaten his country. Turkey has signaled it wants to launch an offensive in northern Syria against the Kurdish group. Such a move could destabilize a mostly calm area, displacing civilians and touching off new refugee flows.
So what? Our president is doing what should have been done years ago – getting out of another place we have no business being in.
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Senators Urge Trump to Abandon Syria Pullout @ Senators Urge Trump to Abandon Syria Pullout
Syria’s Kurds reel from U.S. move, Assad seen planning next step @ Syria’s Kurds reel from U.S. move, Assad seen planning next step | One America News Network
France to stay in Syria after Trump orders US troops home @ France to stay in Syria after Trump orders US troops home – minister
Putin is pleased with his protégé, Donald Trump.
In Putin's mind, Trump has achieved successes beyond his expectations. It began with Trump's acquiescence to Putin at Helsinki, forsaking his own intelligence agencies and accepting Putin's word that Russia did not interfere in our 2016 election because Putin sounded forceful.
Fired being a euphemism for forcing to retire, Trump has fired key members of his administration recently. They were advisors who contributed much to Trump's administration. Too much, and they often had differing viewpoints. For that, Trump fired them. Just in the last few months, Sessions, Haley, McGahn, Zinke, Kelly, Mattis and Ayers have all been fired.
That is the attorney general, the U.N. ambassador, the White House counsel, the Interior Secretary, Trump's chief of staff, Trump's favored replacement for chief of staff, and the Defense Secretary. Often, as in the case of Heather Nauert, Matt Whitaker, and Patrick Shanahan, they are replaced by people new at the job because Trump does not want someone who will actually voice his/her opinion.
As a consequence, the federal government is seriously weakened thanks to Trump and Putin could not be more pleased.
Trump then surrendered the field to Syrian and Russian forces along with the forces of the terrorist organization known as ISIS. This also gives a free hand to Putin's ally and America's enemy, Iran. Putin was flabbergasted when Trump withdrew all U.S. forces from Syria simply because the Turkish leader, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, asked him to ... flabbergasted, but jumping with joy. Putin's much needed warm water naval facility at Tartus and his huge airbase are secure. Russia's proxy war with the U.S. in Syria is won.
Last, but certainly not least, Trump shuts down the entire federal government just before Christmas. His excuse is an ineffectual wall. In the process, Trump managed to embarrass the Senate Majority Leader and the leadership of his own party in the Republican-held Congress. Combined with Trump's retreat in Syria and the loss of key members of his administration, chaos reigns supreme in Washington.
If Putin had managed to install a former KGB agent in the White House, he could not have done better than Donald Trump. There is little wonder why Putin is jumping with glee.
Trump and the First Lady spent about three hours on the ground at Al Asad, which is the main U.S. military base in western Iraq’s Anbar Province -- the birthplace of the Islamic State. During his time at the base, Trump met with troops and senior military commanders and made remarks to troops gathered on site.
"We're no longer the suckers, folks," Trump told the service members, according to the Associated Press. "We're respected again as a nation." That is typical Trump. When an inconvenient fact is a known quantity, such as the loss of respect for our nation and its leaders, Trump will say the very opposite is true.
His comment comes in the wake of his decision to withdraw American troops from Syria, and it surprised Washington, blindsiding lawmakers, members of the administration and American allies across the world and on the ground fighting ISIS in Syria. That also explains why he went to a war zone for the first time in his two years in the Presidency.
Trump continues his retreat. The Trump administration announced today it was planning to reduce the number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan, cutting the current force of 14,000 service members to 7,000. Those troops could return home by the end of spring, an American official told ABC News. In Trump's mind, the U.S. will earn respect from our allies for his withdrawal.
Trump also said that our troops can fight ISIS from Iraq. Spoken like a true military genius, the enemy is in Syria; he is withdrawing our troops from Syria; we can fight the enemy located in Syria from Iraq. Brilliant.
Trump also promised the American people that Turkey will take up slack caused by Trump's surrender. Turkey pledged to take over responsibility for fighting Islamic State from the U.S. days before President Trump announced his decision to withdraw American troops from Syria, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Friday.
Incredibly, Trump believed him.
What Erdogan really wants to do is eliminate the Kurdish threat in northern Syria. Trump does not know this?
We're respected again as a nation???
Trump lives in a different world all his own.
We know one other person is pleased with Trump's decision making ... Vladimir Putin.
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Trump’s Syria Solution
The overwhelming number of Americans have no “skin” in the Foreign Policy/Politics/War risks, other than pecuniary considerations or the certain few family members or acquaintances who serve in some fashion.
So, as long as we choose to focus on the tragedy of the immigration deaths by voluntary emigrants, rather than real National Security threats and the Physical Safety of America and all Americans first, nothing will change.
Build the wall, secure the border, and quit fretting over barbarism in the Middle East. Charity begins in the Family, then with the neighborhood, then city, then state, then country. That’s a long distance still from the Middle-East, but not our US Borders.
I’m sorry for my earnest friends who may disagree on this matter. I had two sons in harms way from 2001 through 2009, five tours between them. I woke up every day wondering if I would get the message every parent dreads. It never occurred to me that that is what my wife and kids endured during my service career.
It is time to come home and build a stronger America in Infrastructure and Institution. Replace emotionalism with reason.
Isn’t 16 years of irresolvable conflict and American deaths and maiming in the Mid-East enough? Or are we simply arguing politics and statistics?
The overwhelming number of Americans have no “skin” in the Foreign Policy/Politics/War risks, other than pecuniary considerations or the certain few family members or acquaintances who serve in some fashion.
So, as long as we choose to focus on the tragedy of the immigration deaths by voluntary emigrants, rather than real National Security threats and the Physical Safety of America and all Americans first, nothing will change.
Build the wall, secure the border, and quit fretting over barbarism in the Middle East. Charity begins in the Family, then with the neighborhood, then city, then state, then country. That’s a long distance still from the Middle-East, but not our US Borders.
I’m sorry for my earnest friends who may disagree on this matter. I had two sons in harms way from 2001 through 2009, five tours between them. I woke up every day wondering if I would get the message every parent dreads. It never occurred to me that that is what my wife and kids endured during my service career.
It is time to come home and build a stronger America in Infrastructure and Institution. Replace emotionalism with reason.
Isn’t 16 years of irresolvable conflict and American deaths and maiming in the Mid-East enough? Or are we simply arguing politics and statistics?
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A limited U.S. military role in Syria has had an outsize impact over the past four years.
A “limited presence?” An estimated 2,000 troops is a limited presence? Gimme a break.
And how are we helping the Kurds fight the rebels when Turkey – our supposed ally – is trying to wipe out the Kurds?
Iran and Russia claim a victory: Iran has invested heavily with military and economic assistance to prop up Assad since the beginning of the war. Russian President Vladimir Putin sent military forces to support Syria in 2015, the year after the U.S. entered the war.
Both Iran and Russia would view it as a major success if the American military leaves and Assad continues to consolidate power. The same would be true for Hezbollah, the Lebanese group that has fought alongside Assad's forces.
Turkey launches offensive against the Kurds: While the U.S. has partnered with the YPG, the Syrian Kurdish militia, Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan views them as terrorists who threaten his country. Turkey has signaled it wants to launch an offensive in northern Syria against the Kurdish group. Such a move could destabilize a mostly calm area, displacing civilians and touching off new refugee flows.
So what? Our president is doing what should have been done years ago – getting out of another place we have no business being in.
More @ After U.S. Troops Leave Syria, What Happens Next?
On Syria Withdrawal, Trump Reportedly Ignored Mattis For The Umpteenth Time @ On Syria Withdrawal, Trump Reportedly Ignored Mattis For The Umpteenth Time
Kurds Discuss Releasing 3,200 ISIS Prisoners After Trump Threatens Pullout From Syria @ Kurds Discuss Releasing 3,200 ISIS Prisoners After Trump Threatens Pullout From Syria
Syria conflict: Trump's withdrawal plan shocks allies @ Trump's Syria withdrawal plan stuns allies
Senators Urge Trump to Abandon Syria Pullout @ Senators Urge Trump to Abandon Syria Pullout
Syria’s Kurds reel from U.S. move, Assad seen planning next step @ Syria’s Kurds reel from U.S. move, Assad seen planning next step | One America News Network
France to stay in Syria after Trump orders US troops home @ France to stay in Syria after Trump orders US troops home – minister
Putin is pleased with his protégé, Donald Trump.
In Putin's mind, Trump has achieved successes beyond his expectations. It began with Trump's acquiescence to Putin at Helsinki, forsaking his own intelligence agencies and accepting Putin's word that Russia did not interfere in our 2016 election because Putin sounded forceful.
Fired being a euphemism for forcing to retire, Trump has fired key members of his administration recently. They were advisors who contributed much to Trump's administration. Too much, and they often had differing viewpoints. For that, Trump fired them. Just in the last few months, Sessions, Haley, McGahn, Zinke, Kelly, Mattis and Ayers have all been fired.
That is the attorney general, the U.N. ambassador, the White House counsel, the Interior Secretary, Trump's chief of staff, Trump's favored replacement for chief of staff, and the Defense Secretary. Often, as in the case of Heather Nauert, Matt Whitaker, and Patrick Shanahan, they are replaced by people new at the job because Trump does not want someone who will actually voice his/her opinion.
As a consequence, the federal government is seriously weakened thanks to Trump and Putin could not be more pleased.
Trump then surrendered the field to Syrian and Russian forces along with the forces of the terrorist organization known as ISIS. This also gives a free hand to Putin's ally and America's enemy, Iran. Putin was flabbergasted when Trump withdrew all U.S. forces from Syria simply because the Turkish leader, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, asked him to ... flabbergasted, but jumping with joy. Putin's much needed warm water naval facility at Tartus and his huge airbase are secure. Russia's proxy war with the U.S. in Syria is won.
Last, but certainly not least, Trump shuts down the entire federal government just before Christmas. His excuse is an ineffectual wall. In the process, Trump managed to embarrass the Senate Majority Leader and the leadership of his own party in the Republican-held Congress. Combined with Trump's retreat in Syria and the loss of key members of his administration, chaos reigns supreme in Washington.
If Putin had managed to install a former KGB agent in the White House, he could not have done better than Donald Trump. There is little wonder why Putin is jumping with glee.
Trump and the First Lady spent about three hours on the ground at Al Asad, which is the main U.S. military base in western Iraq’s Anbar Province -- the birthplace of the Islamic State. During his time at the base, Trump met with troops and senior military commanders and made remarks to troops gathered on site.
"We're no longer the suckers, folks," Trump told the service members, according to the Associated Press. "We're respected again as a nation." That is typical Trump. When an inconvenient fact is a known quantity, such as the loss of respect for our nation and its leaders, Trump will say the very opposite is true.
His comment comes in the wake of his decision to withdraw American troops from Syria, and it surprised Washington, blindsiding lawmakers, members of the administration and American allies across the world and on the ground fighting ISIS in Syria. That also explains why he went to a war zone for the first time in his two years in the Presidency.
Trump continues his retreat. The Trump administration announced today it was planning to reduce the number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan, cutting the current force of 14,000 service members to 7,000. Those troops could return home by the end of spring, an American official told ABC News. In Trump's mind, the U.S. will earn respect from our allies for his withdrawal.
Trump also said that our troops can fight ISIS from Iraq. Spoken like a true military genius, the enemy is in Syria; he is withdrawing our troops from Syria; we can fight the enemy located in Syria from Iraq. Brilliant.
Trump also promised the American people that Turkey will take up slack caused by Trump's surrender. Turkey pledged to take over responsibility for fighting Islamic State from the U.S. days before President Trump announced his decision to withdraw American troops from Syria, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Friday.
Incredibly, Trump believed him.
What Erdogan really wants to do is eliminate the Kurdish threat in northern Syria. Trump does not know this?
We're respected again as a nation???
Trump lives in a different world all his own.
We know one other person is pleased with Trump's decision making ... Vladimir Putin.
Hey shit for brains! ISIS is penned up with their backs against the Iraqi border. We can hit them with artillery from Iraq, and they are not that far for our aircraft to bomb.
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Oh yeah Somalia where we left all those people to starve and fend for themselves in the power vacuum we left behind. But it was a Democrat president back then... so obviously lives were less affected than if it had been a fat and evil republican president.
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But that was also true a year ago. And 2 years ago. And still there is ISIS, by all reports, regaining strength.
So maybe it's not so "video game simple" as you say.
eagle1462010
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Ruled by War Lords............who stole the food, and allowed the starving to die.........called us occupiers and then forced a fight when we were only there to try to stop people from starving..........
They attacked us........and we left..........they made their choice.
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