After U.S. Troops Leave Syria, What Happens Next?

[Claudette]

What happens next?

Who cares? It’s not our country. Let them figure it out for themselves.

Yup. I couldn't care less what happens in Syria nor any other Middle East country.

I hope they all kill themselves and blow up each others shitholes.

 

[eagle1462010]

Trump's Syria withdrawal gift to Turkey

 

[eagle1462010]

Trump's Syria withdrawal gift to Turkey

BTW this is for informational purposes..........getting out of Syria after the defeat of ISIS has been Trumps aim since the beginning........Obama wanted Assad gone a major policy shift..........Now we are stuck between a rock and a hard case.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Erdogan is going to be a problem.

 

[BookShaka]

A limited U.S. military role in Syria has had an outsize impact over the past four years.


A “limited presence?” An estimated 2,000 troops is a limited presence? Gimme a break.


And how are we helping the Kurds fight the rebels when Turkey – our supposed ally – is trying to wipe out the Kurds?

Iran and Russia claim a victory: Iran has invested heavily with military and economic assistance to prop up Assad since the beginning of the war. Russian President Vladimir Putin sent military forces to support Syria in 2015, the year after the U.S. entered the war.

Both Iran and Russia would view it as a major success if the American military leaves and Assad continues to consolidate power. The same would be true for Hezbollah, the Lebanese group that has fought alongside Assad's forces.

Turkey launches offensive against the Kurds: While the U.S. has partnered with the YPG, the Syrian Kurdish militia, Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan views them as terrorists who threaten his country. Turkey has signaled it wants to launch an offensive in northern Syria against the Kurdish group. Such a move could destabilize a mostly calm area, displacing civilians and touching off new refugee flows.

So what? Our president is doing what should have been done years ago – getting out of another place we have no business being in.

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They have to make a plan in 30-days. To leave.
This must be that Great Douche plan to that
destroys ISIS in 30-days PLAN from 2016 promise..

But I wonder why we're leaving?

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Will it get a good 2017 BS Tax break coming back to the US in the future?

Mods why do you allow this person to post? They are obviously still going through puberty.

 

[eagle1462010]

In June 2012, Annan chaired international talks in Geneva, which agreed a peace plan by which a transitional government would be formed by “mutual consent” of the regime and opposition. However, it soon fell apart over differences on whether Assad should step down. Annan resigned as envoy a little more than a month later, and Assad’s personal fate has been the principal stumbling block to all peace initiatives since then

Last week, Britain’s foreign secretary, Philip Hammond, suggested that as part of a peace deal, Assad could remain in office during a six-month “transitional period” but the suggestion was quickly rejected by Damascus.

Western diplomats at the UN refused to speak on the record about Ahtisaari’s claim, but pointed out that after a year of the Syrian conflict, Assad’s forces had already carried out multiple massacres, and the main opposition groups refused to accept any proposal that left him in power. A few days after Ahtisaari’s visit to New York, Hillary Clinton, then US secretary of state, branded the Syrian leader a war criminal.

Sir John Jenkins – a former director of the Middle East department of the UK’s Foreign Office who was preparing to take up the post of ambassador to Saudi Arabia in the first half of 2012 – said that in his experience, Russia resisted any attempt to put Assad’s fate on the negotiating table “and I never saw a reference to any possible flexing of this position”.

Jenkins, now executive director of the Middle East branch of the International Institute for Strategic Studies, said in an email: “I think it is true that the general feeling was Assad wouldn’t be able to hold out. But I don’t see why that should have led to a decision to ignore an offer by the Russians to get him to go quickly, as long as that was a genuine offer.

West 'ignored Russian offer in 2012 to have Syria's Assad step aside'

Another legacy of Obama..........

 

[eagle1462010]

Erdogan is going to be a problem.

US troops return fire after attack by Turkish-backed rebels in Syria

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

A limited U.S. military role in Syria has had an outsize impact over the past four years.


A “limited presence?” An estimated 2,000 troops is a limited presence? Gimme a break.


And how are we helping the Kurds fight the rebels when Turkey – our supposed ally – is trying to wipe out the Kurds?

Iran and Russia claim a victory: Iran has invested heavily with military and economic assistance to prop up Assad since the beginning of the war. Russian President Vladimir Putin sent military forces to support Syria in 2015, the year after the U.S. entered the war.

Both Iran and Russia would view it as a major success if the American military leaves and Assad continues to consolidate power. The same would be true for Hezbollah, the Lebanese group that has fought alongside Assad's forces.

Turkey launches offensive against the Kurds: While the U.S. has partnered with the YPG, the Syrian Kurdish militia, Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan views them as terrorists who threaten his country. Turkey has signaled it wants to launch an offensive in northern Syria against the Kurdish group. Such a move could destabilize a mostly calm area, displacing civilians and touching off new refugee flows.

So what? Our president is doing what should have been done years ago – getting out of another place we have no business being in.

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Syria conflict: Trump's withdrawal plan shocks allies @ Trump's Syria withdrawal plan stuns allies

Senators Urge Trump to Abandon Syria Pullout @ Senators Urge Trump to Abandon Syria Pullout

Syria’s Kurds reel from U.S. move, Assad seen planning next step @ Syria’s Kurds reel from U.S. move, Assad seen planning next step | One America News Network

France to stay in Syria after Trump orders US troops home @ France to stay in Syria after Trump orders US troops home – minister

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Putin is pleased with his protégé, Donald Trump.

In Putin's mind, Trump has achieved successes beyond his expectations. It began with Trump's acquiescence to Putin at Helsinki, forsaking his own intelligence agencies and accepting Putin's word that Russia did not interfere in our 2016 election because Putin sounded forceful.

Fired being a euphemism for forcing to retire, Trump has fired key members of his administration recently. They were advisors who contributed much to Trump's administration. Too much, and they often had differing viewpoints. For that, Trump fired them. Just in the last few months, Sessions, Haley, McGahn, Zinke, Kelly, Mattis and Ayers have all been fired.

That is the attorney general, the U.N. ambassador, the White House counsel, the Interior Secretary, Trump's chief of staff, Trump's favored replacement for chief of staff, and the Defense Secretary. Often, as in the case of Heather Nauert, Matt Whitaker, and Patrick Shanahan, they are replaced by people new at the job because Trump does not want someone who will actually voice his/her opinion.

As a consequence, the federal government is seriously weakened thanks to Trump and Putin could not be more pleased.

Trump then surrendered the field to Syrian and Russian forces along with the forces of the terrorist organization known as ISIS. This also gives a free hand to Putin's ally and America's enemy, Iran. Putin was flabbergasted when Trump withdrew all U.S. forces from Syria simply because the Turkish leader, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, asked him to ... flabbergasted, but jumping with joy. Putin's much needed warm water naval facility at Tartus and his huge airbase are secure. Russia's proxy war with the U.S. in Syria is won.

Last, but certainly not least, Trump shuts down the entire federal government just before Christmas. His excuse is an ineffectual wall. In the process, Trump managed to embarrass the Senate Majority Leader and the leadership of his own party in the Republican-held Congress. Combined with Trump's retreat in Syria and the loss of key members of his administration, chaos reigns supreme in Washington.

If Putin had managed to install a former KGB agent in the White House, he could not have done better than Donald Trump. There is little wonder why Putin is jumping with glee.

All of those people were not fired, you dumbass!

 

[eagle1462010]

Putin rejects calls for Idlib truce
FYI information only

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Islam is a religion of peace per the Progressive Left so why do we need troops in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[eagle1462010]

Start at 1;15 and listen.

 

[eagle1462010]

a little over 1 month ago..........listen

 

[eagle1462010]

OPERATION INHERENT RESOLVE

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[eagle1462010]

U.S. commanders at odds including Mattis over Syria policy.

America’s Fling With the Kurds Could Cause Turkey and NATO to Split
Earlier last week, before Donald Trump ordered airstrikes on Syrian chemical weapons facilities, a senior Pentagon official looked down at his coffee and shook his head. “Do you remember that thing our parents used to get us?” he asked. “You know, it was a cylinder and you turned it and all of the colors at the end changed.” He thought for a moment. “Oh yeah, a kaleidoscope” he said. “That’s what it was called.” He smiled and continued: “Well, that’s Syria.”

His analogy seems apt, except that one crucial issue has been lost in the kaleidoscope’s colors—the under-the-radar struggle between Eucom, the U.S. military’s European Command, and the U.S. Central Command, which is responsible for the Middle East. At issue between the two is the looming cost and potential consequence of Centcom’s marriage of convenience with the YPG militia (the Kurdish People’s Defense Units) that the U.S. has used to fight ISIS in Syria. The difficulty for the U.S. is that while the YPG’s battle-hardened cadres have notched a series of crucial victories over ISIS, including the most recent one at Manbij, a Syrian town on the Euphrates River, the militia is an arm of the Kurdistan Worker’s Party (the PKK), which has been designated as a terrorist group by the U.S., EU, and Turkey. PKK attacks have killed thousands of Turks since the movement was founded in 1978.

So it is that while Turkey has always looked askance at the U.S.-YPG partnership in northern Syria, it was willing to tolerate it on the basis of American assurances that the marriage was one of convenience: it was essential, but short-term—it was “temporary, tactical and transactional.” That, it seems, is no longer the case. For Turkey, several senior Pentagon officials and military officers say, the U.S.-supported YPG victory at Manbij (made possible by air cover provided by the U.S. Central Command) was the last straw for the Ankara government. Why? “It put Kurdish fighters within spitting distance,” as a former senior military officer described it to me, of Turkish army units in the Syrian city of Afrin, some 70 miles away.

“The U.S.-YPG alliance has poisoned U.S.-Turkish relations,” a senior Turkish official told TAC last week, “and you can’t just pass it off. All right, so you needed the YPG to defeat ISIS, fine. Mission accomplished. So now, get the YPG out of Manbij. Good God, you’re digging trenches for these people.”


How badly “poisoned” is the U.S.-Turkey relationship? In fact, Centcom’s dependence on the YPG to carry the fight to ISIS (which includes 2,000 U.S. soldiers deployed in Syria) has so roiled Turkey that a host of influential military officers and their civilian counterparts in NATO have recently warned Secretary of Defense James Mattis that America’s support for the YPG is endangering their alliance’s unity. That’s especially bad because NATO is facing off against a resurgent Russia—a far more formidable adversary, they argue, now that ISIS is nearly tamed. Among the critics is General Curtis Scaparrotti, the head of the European Command and the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe. While the bespectacled Scaparrotti looks more like an Oxford professor than a combat commander, he’s one of the most respected officers in his service. “I saw him in Iraq,” one of his colleagues notes, “and he was as cool as ice, as tough as they come. Combat never bothered him. He just didn’t give a shit.”

During a trip to Washington in March, Scaparrotti huddled with Mattis to express his worries over the growing tensions in U.S.-Turkish relations, worries that the European commander has also expressed in several meetings with General Joseph Votel, his counterpart as head of Centcom. NATO partisans speculate that Scaparrotti told Mattis what he’d emphasized to Votel: that Turkey had inked a 2016 agreement with the EU that, in exchange for closer ties to their Western European counterparts (and just over $8 billion), it would harbor some 3 million Syrian refugees who have fled Syria. If Turkey feels it is being ignored, Scaparrotti undoubtedly suggested, those refugees could end up on the streets of Hamburg.

 

[eagle1462010]

A messy multibillion-dollar weapon sale between Turkey, Russia and the US just got more complicated

Turkey buying S-400's from Russia..........U.S. Patriot missile systems from the U.S..........and F-35's from the U.S.

S-400's capable of shooting down the F-35's ..............

WTF...........Turkey is shifting alliances or threatening to with Russia over the YPG............yippie......isn't the Middle East such a nice place.........

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

ISIS was a creature of the Obama administration.

No. ISIS was a result of the now apparent blunder of disbanding the Iraqi army.

 

[eagle1462010]

Putin Is Sneaking Up on Europe From the South

AUGUST 31, 2018, 1:45 PM
One line starts in the Russian capital and proceeds due south to the Turkish capital, Ankara. Moscow has not exactly turned Turkey, but the combination of Syria, where Putin is the powerbroker; Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s worldview; and the still changing nature of international politics after the Cold War, has made a Turkey-Russia partnership of sorts possible. The Turks are scheduled to receive Russia’s advanced S-400 air defense system in July 2019, Turkey’s volume of trade with Russia is bigger than with the United States, and Erdogan recently identified Moscow—along with Beijing and Tehran—as an alternative to Washington. All of this has stoked (mostly overblown) fears within the Washington policy community about “losing Turkey,” but for the Europeans who are connected to Ankara through the flow of goods and services and who regard Anatolia as a buffer between them and Moscow, burgeoning Turkey-Russia ties are a problem.

Here’s what may be driving a US troop withdrawal from Syria

Reports of a total and immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria come amid heightening tensions — and growing risk of military confrontation — between the U.S. and Turkey.

Turkish forces want to push their troops into Syria. The U.S.-backed Syrian Kurds want to keep the Turkish forces out. And the U.S. has struggled for months to keep both players happy.

A confrontation between the U.S and Turkey, officially NATO allies, would create a geopolitical crisis at the heart of the world’s most powerful military alliance.

 

[eagle1462010]

I will stop spamming now what I am trying to show people...........As I inform myself to try and understand the situation more clearly I am passing on data......How you interpret that data is up to you............

Why I think Mattis quit.........He favors the Kurds over Turkey..........but how to we manage that.......European Command are at odds over this with Mattis as they are concerned with TURKEY leaving NATO..............Turkey has now been negotiating with Russia and even buying their weapons systems......and have lately gone so far that they would ally with Russia, China, and Iran over the YPG and our support for the Kurds...........

European command disagrees with Mattis over the Kurds saying that would damage NATO...........but it may already be too late for that.........and we may very well be looking at Turkey eventually leaving NATO over the Kurds.........and becoming an ally of RUSSIA..............so it appears Trump is trying to salvage an alliance with Turkey.........and at the same time trying to negotiate that the Turks don't kill the Kurds after we are gone.

Enough on it.........just my opinion of a very bad situation there. What's new .....it's the middle East.