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[Hollie]

Except there's no evidence that these famines were calculated. In fact, quite the opposite.

Take the 1958-1962 famine. The one which made all parents of Boomer blurt out, "They're starving in China, finish what you got!"

Well, what were the causes?

The first was popular demand for land redistribution, promised but hadn't happened at that point. It happened too fast.
The second was there were droughts and floods in various parts of the country.
Another was the "Four Pests" campaign ,which targeted swallows. Swallows didn't eat bugs, and you had an explosion of insect pests.
Fourth, a lot of lower level officials overreported rice production, making the central government think it had surpluses, which they sold for hard cash.

But the main problem is the nature of China herself. China also had serious famines in Sichuan in 1936, (Killed 6 million), in the north in 1928 (about 6 million) and the Great Famine of 1906 that contributed to the fall of the Qing dynasty.

List of famines in China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Incidentally, a common Chinese greeting is "Nǐ chīguòle ma?" = Have you eaten? It took me about a month to realize that my girlfriend was sending me a greeting and not asking me if I had dinner yet.

Except it’s pretty obvious that famine is a tool of your Stalinist / Leninist heroes. You didn’t know that Ukraine declared its independence from Russia after the Russian revolution of 1917?

Um, yeah. Following the end of WWI, Ukraine was divided between Poland and Bolshevik Russia as a result of the Treaty of Riga. In 1922, the nation became part of the new Soviet Union and that never sat well with the Ukrainians. During the Soviet famine of 1932–33, an estimated 6–8 million Ukrainians starved or were killed as a result of Stalin's punitive actions.

 

[2aguy]

Uh, the problem is, you guys like to scream about the people who died in famines in Communist regimes, but not the genocide carried out by western regimes like the US against Native Americans or the British who used Famine as a weapon to subjugate India.

A famine does show mismanagement... kind of like ignoring a plague and holding mass spreader events because you are an egomaniac.



That's simply not true, either. Trump never got more than 3% GDP growth in any given year, and posted GDP shrinkage in his last year.

As far as his cutting regulations, we saw how well that worked out in East Palestine, OH.

Most of the Indians were killed before our country was created……after they were sold to the Europeans by their African friends…….

 

[Hollie]

Most of the Indians were killed before our country was created……after they were sold to the Europeans by their African friends…….

Joe tends to be the most self-haten’est, white people haten’est person on the planet.

Genocide, slavery, and rape: Let’s remember the atrocities of indigenous peoples - Washington Examiner

The history of humanity is a horrifying tale, filled with every evil one could possibly imagine. Most of human history is poverty, tyranny, and violence — centuries of unbelievable suffering. Today is the rare exception. For whatever reason, humans have always had the innate thirst to conquer...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Long before Columbus, many historians agree that Native American tribes committed atrocities against each other, thirsting for power and land and killing anyone that stood in the way long before any European settler set foot on the continent. Consider the words of Columbus in his journal. Upon arriving at San Salvador, Columbus wrote: “I saw some with scars of wounds upon their bodies … that there came people from the other islands in the neighborhood who endeavored to make prisoners of them, and they defended themselves.”

 

[2aguy]

Joe tends to be the most self-haten’est, white people haten’est person on the planet.

Genocide, slavery, and rape: Let’s remember the atrocities of indigenous peoples - Washington Examiner

The history of humanity is a horrifying tale, filled with every evil one could possibly imagine. Most of human history is poverty, tyranny, and violence — centuries of unbelievable suffering. Today is the rare exception. For whatever reason, humans have always had the innate thirst to conquer...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Long before Columbus, many historians agree that Native American tribes committed atrocities against each other, thirsting for power and land and killing anyone that stood in the way long before any European settler set foot on the continent. Consider the words of Columbus in his journal. Upon arriving at San Salvador, Columbus wrote: “I saw some with scars of wounds upon their bodies … that there came people from the other islands in the neighborhood who endeavored to make prisoners of them, and they defended themselves.”

Yep……..the Indians were just as horrible as the Africans and Europeans…………..

 

[2aguy]

Joe tends to be the most self-haten’est, white people haten’est person on the planet.

Genocide, slavery, and rape: Let’s remember the atrocities of indigenous peoples - Washington Examiner

The history of humanity is a horrifying tale, filled with every evil one could possibly imagine. Most of human history is poverty, tyranny, and violence — centuries of unbelievable suffering. Today is the rare exception. For whatever reason, humans have always had the innate thirst to conquer...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Long before Columbus, many historians agree that Native American tribes committed atrocities against each other, thirsting for power and land and killing anyone that stood in the way long before any European settler set foot on the continent. Consider the words of Columbus in his journal. Upon arriving at San Salvador, Columbus wrote: “I saw some with scars of wounds upon their bodies … that there came people from the other islands in the neighborhood who endeavored to make prisoners of them, and they defended themselves.”

Great link….

Consider the Chippewa. In what could be dubbed the original “trail of tears,” they forced the Sioux from their land in present-day Minnesota. In turn, the Sioux massacred the Omaha, the Kiowa, and the Pawnee, lusting for their resources and territory.

Consider the Aztecs. Schools teach the story of Spanish conquistador Hernan Cortes conquering the Aztecs, but they omit the two centuries of Aztec ruthlessness that preceded this and convinced many other tribes to fight alongside Cortes. The Aztecs had an enormous empire with a long history of raping women, pillaging, and enslaving neighboring tribes to build their empire. Historical accounts of the Aztecs alone reveal an “industry of human sacrifice unlike any other in the world.” They punished homosexuality with the death penalty and habitually murdered women.

Genocide, slavery, and rape: Let’s remember the atrocities of indigenous peoples - Washington Examiner

The history of humanity is a horrifying tale, filled with every evil one could possibly imagine. Most of human history is poverty, tyranny, and violence — centuries of unbelievable suffering. Today is the rare exception. For whatever reason, humans have always had the innate thirst to conquer...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[JoeB131]

Except it’s pretty obvious that famine is a tool of your Stalinist / Leninist

I'm starting to wonder if you are a real person or a response Bot.

Yep……..the Indians were just as horrible as the Africans and Europeans…………..

Nope, White people perfected it to industrial efficiency, that's the point.

Consider the Aztecs. Schools teach the story of Spanish conquistador Hernan Cortes conquering the Aztecs, but they omit the two centuries of Aztec ruthlessness that preceded this and convinced many other tribes to fight alongside Cortes. The Aztecs had an enormous empire with a long history of raping women, pillaging, and enslaving neighboring tribes to build their empire. Historical accounts of the Aztecs alone reveal an “industry of human sacrifice unlike any other in the world.” They punished homosexuality with the death penalty and habitually murdered women.

At the same time that was going on, Europeans were burning thousands of people as heretics or witches.

But pleasing your imaginary sky pixie is better than pleasing their invisible sky pixie.

Um, yeah. Following the end of WWI, Ukraine was divided between Poland and Bolshevik Russia as a result of the Treaty of Riga. In 1922, the nation became part of the new Soviet Union and that never sat well with the Ukrainians. During the Soviet famine of 1932–33, an estimated 6–8 million Ukrainians starved or were killed as a result of Stalin's punitive actions.

And ineptitude and weather conditions and an outbreak of typhus... But let's leave those out.

of course, the 6-8 million number is pure bullshit.

 

[Hollie]

I'm starting to wonder if you are a real person or a response Bot.



Nope, White people perfected it to industrial efficiency, that's the point.



At the same time that was going on, Europeans were burning thousands of people as heretics or witches.

But pleasing your imaginary sky pixie is better than pleasing their invisible sky pixie.



And ineptitude and weather conditions and an outbreak of typhus... But let's leave those out.

of course, the 6-8 million number is pure bullshit.

I’m starting to wonder if there is a diagnostic treatment for the debilitating disease of retrograde leftism.

You are free to blame your individual whiteness as well as collectively blaming all the world’s white people who have ever lived for all the worlds ills. I’ve come to see you self-loathing as a function of the left’s unified goal or purpose.

I should probably point out that your go-to example for hating your own whiteness as well as all past and existing whiteys centers on the always oppressed, benevolent and innocent-as-the-driven-snow American Indians is not the happy-fun delusion you cling to.

The Most Violent Era In America Was Before Europeans Arrived

There's a mythology about the native Americans, that they were all peaceful and in harmony with nature - it's easy to create narratives when there is no written record.

www.science20.com

There's a mythology about the native Americans, that they were all peaceful and in harmony with nature - it's easy to create narratives when there is no written record.

But archeology keeps its own history and a new paper finds that the 20th century, with its hundreds of millions dead in wars and, in the case of Germany, China, Russia and other dictatorships, genocide, was not the most violent - on a per-capita basis that honor may belong to the central Mesa Verde of southwest Colorado and the Pueblo Indians.

Writing in the journal American Antiquity, Washington State University archaeologist Tim Kohler and colleagues document how nearly 90 percent of human remains from that period had trauma from blows to either their heads or parts of their arms.

"If we're identifying that much trauma, many were dying a violent death," said Kohler. The study also offers new clues to the mysterious depopulation of the northern Southwest, from a population of about 40,000 people in the mid-1200s to 0 in 30 years.

But, really. None of the above should dissuade you from “I blame ******”.


Of course, you can’t refute the number I referenced in connection with Stalin’s brutalization of the Ukrainians. You revert to your usual “… that’s bullshit, because I say so”.

Holodomor

Teaser here

cla.umn.edu

In 1932 and 1933, millions of Ukrainians were killed in the Holodomor, a man-made famine engineered by the Soviet government of Joseph Stalin. The primary victims of the Holodomor (literally "death inflicted by starvation") were rural farmers and villagers, who made up roughly 80 percent of Ukraine's population in the 1930s. While it is impossible to determine the precise number of victims of the Ukrainian genocide, most estimates by scholars range from roughly 3.5 million to 7 million (with some estimates going higher). The most detailed demographic studies estimate the death toll at 3.9 million. Historians agree that, as with other genocides, the precise number will never be known.

 

[JoeB131]

You are free to blame your individual whiteness as well as collectively blaming all the world’s white people who have ever lived for all the worlds ills. I’ve come to see you self-loathing as a function of the left’s unified goal or purpose.

I should probably point out that your go-to example for hating your own whiteness as well as all past and existing whiteys centers on the always oppressed, benevolent and innocent-as-the-driven-snow American Indians is not the happy-fun delusion you cling to.

no, they weren't. They also weren't the genocidal maniacs that Europeans were.

"The only good Indian is a dead Indian" - General Sheridan

The American Bison was intentionally exterminated to near the point of extinction for the express purpose of denying a food source to the Plaines Indians.

In 1932 and 1933, millions of Ukrainians were killed in the Holodomor, a man-made famine engineered by the Soviet government of Joseph Stalin.

Um. Okay. Let's look at some Capitalist famines.

Great Famine (Ireland) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Killed one Million Irish.

Vietnamese famine of 1944–1945 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2 Million Vietnamese.

Bengal famine of 1943 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Killed 3.8 million Bengali

 

[Hollie]

no, they weren't. They also weren't the genocidal maniacs that Europeans were.

"The only good Indian is a dead Indian" - General Sheridan

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The American Bison was intentionally exterminated to near the point of extinction for the express purpose of denying a food source to the Plaines Indians.




Um. Okay. Let's look at some Capitalist famines.

Great Famine (Ireland) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Killed one Million Irish.

Vietnamese famine of 1944–1945 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2 Million Vietnamese.

Bengal famine of 1943 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Killed 3.8 million Bengali

So, I can take your earlier claim: “of course, the 6-8 million number is pure bullshit.”, as pure leftist defense of their hurt feelings.

In typical fashion, you want to defend the willful atrocities of your Stalinist / Leninist heroes with your usual, nonsensical, “ but hey, look over there at what the capitalist whiteys did”.

That’s another failed analogy. You didn’t realize the Irish potato famine was the result of a mold that caused crop yields to crash. That’s a bit different than a sociopath, your hero Stalin, intentionally creating famine and deprivation.

None of the links you copied and pasted have any relevance to the horrors inflicted on humanity by your Stalinist / Leninist heroes so why did you feel a need to spam the thread with that nonsense?

The American Bison was intentionally exterminated to near the point of extinction for the express purpose of denying a food source to the Plaines Indians.

UN, actually, no.

What Happened to the Bison? (U.S. National Park Service)

Bison, overland trails, emigrant trails

www.nps.gov

Drought is only one reason for the bison’s decline. Horses, which spread from New Mexico onto the Great Plains in the late 1600s and early 1700s, also stressed bison populations. The Comanches, eminent equestrians of the Southern Plains, kept vast herds of horses for riding and trading. Not only did horses make bison hunting incredibly efficient, but they also competed for the same food and water resources as their lumbering counterparts. It’s difficult to tell how wolves impact bison populations, but it is possible that trappers—who poisoned wolves for their pelts—may have inadvertently poisoned the grass that many bison depended on for survival.

 

[Flash]

Maybe now the Moon Bat will understand how sick in the mind these queers and transsexuals are.

 

[2aguy]

no, they weren't. They also weren't the genocidal maniacs that Europeans were.

"The only good Indian is a dead Indian" - General Sheridan

View attachment 772986

The American Bison was intentionally exterminated to near the point of extinction for the express purpose of denying a food source to the Plaines Indians.




Um. Okay. Let's look at some Capitalist famines.

Great Famine (Ireland) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Killed one Million Irish.

Vietnamese famine of 1944–1945 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2 Million Vietnamese.

Bengal famine of 1943 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Killed 3.8 million Bengali

 

[2aguy]

no, they weren't. They also weren't the genocidal maniacs that Europeans were.

"The only good Indian is a dead Indian" - General Sheridan

View attachment 772986

The American Bison was intentionally exterminated to near the point of extinction for the express purpose of denying a food source to the Plaines Indians.




Um. Okay. Let's look at some Capitalist famines.

Great Famine (Ireland) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Killed one Million Irish.

Vietnamese famine of 1944–1945 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2 Million Vietnamese.

Bengal famine of 1943 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Killed 3.8 million Bengali

Moron...the potato famine was from a disease.....you idiot...it wasn't a planned mass murder by the British government.

Phytophthora infestans is a destructive plant pathogen best known for causing the disease that triggered the Irish potato famine and remains the most costly potato pathogen to manage worldwide.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1401884111#:~:text=The%20potato%20late%20blight%20pathogen,potato%20famine%20and%20subsequent%20diaspora.

 

[JoeB131]

o, I can take your earlier claim: “of course, the 6-8 million number is pure bullshit.”, as pure leftist defense of their hurt feelings.

Nope, still think it's a largely bullshit number. The real number is probably closer to 1.8 Million. Which is STILL BAD! But there were also famines under the Tsars... Just like there were famines in China before the Communists took over. Famine is largely hard for us to get our heads around today, because modern strains of grain are so abundant that we can feed 8 billion people.

Of course, we were talking about universal health care, not bad agricultural management.

In typical fashion, you want to defend the willful atrocities of your Stalinist / Leninist heroes with your usual, nonsensical, “ but hey, look over there at what the capitalist whiteys did”.

Not at all... Just pointing out that agricultural mismanagement and deliberate oppression of colonized people was not unique to Russia or China.

That’s another failed analogy. You didn’t realize the Irish potato famine was the result of a mold that caused crop yields to crash. That’s a bit different than a sociopath, your hero Stalin, intentionally creating famine and deprivation.

Obviously, you don't get the whole picture. Irish people were ONLY allowed to eat Potatoes... The rest of the food in the country was shipped to England. The English simply never gave a shit about the Irish.

 

[Hollie]

Nope, still think it's a largely bullshit number. The real number is probably closer to 1.8 Million. Which is STILL BAD! But there were also famines under the Tsars... Just like there were famines in China before the Communists took over. Famine is largely hard for us to get our heads around today, because modern strains of grain are so abundant that we can feed 8 billion people.

Of course, we were talking about universal health care, not bad agricultural management.



Not at all... Just pointing out that agricultural mismanagement and deliberate oppression of colonized people was not unique to Russia or China.



Obviously, you don't get the whole picture. Irish people were ONLY allowed to eat Potatoes... The rest of the food in the country was shipped to England. The English simply never gave a shit about the Irish.

A lot of your nonsensical, “because I say so”, commandments as though anyone should take that seriously.

You did quite the dance trying to excuse the famine engineered by your hero, Stalin.

Why cut and paste silly YouTube videos. That was quite the waste of time. Stop spamming the thread.

 

[JoeB131]

Moron...the potato famine was from a disease.....you idiot...it wasn't a planned mass murder by the British government.

Actually, it was because the British confiscated all the other food.

Initial limited but constructive government actions to alleviate famine distress were ended by a new Whig administration in London, which pursued a laissez-faire economic doctrine, and only resumed later. The refusal of London to bar export of food from Ireland during the famine was an immediate and continuing source of controversy, contributing to anti-British sentiment and the campaign for independence. Additionally, the famine indirectly resulted in tens of thousands of households being evicted, exacerbated by a provision forbidding access to workhouse aid while in possession of more than 1/4 acre of land.
The measures undertaken by Peel's successor, Russell, proved inadequate as the crisis deepened. The new Whig administration, influenced by the doctrine of laissez-faire,[98] believed that the market would provide the food needed. They refused to interfere with the movement of food to England, and then halted the previous government's food and relief works, leaving many hundreds of thousands of people without access to work, money, or food.[99] Russell's ministry introduced a new programme of public works that by the end of December 1846 employed some half a million but proved impossible to administer.[100]
The "Gregory clause" of the Poor Law, named after William H. Gregory, M.P.[fn 3], prohibited anyone who held at least 1⁄4 acre (0.1 ha) from receiving relief.[100] In practice, this meant that, if a farmer, having sold all his produce to pay rent and taxes, should be reduced, as many thousands of them were, to applying for public outdoor relief, he would not get it until he had first delivered up all his land to the landlord. Of this Law, Mitchel wrote that "it is the able-bodied idler only who is to be fed—if he attempted to till but one rood of ground, he dies". This simple method of ejectment was called "passing paupers through the workhouse"—a man went in, a pauper came out.[105][better source needed] These factors combined to drive thousands of people off the land: 90,000 in 1849, and 104,000 in 1850.[100]

 

[JoeB131]

A lot of your nonsensical, “because I say so”, commandments as though anyone should take that seriously.

Your concession is duly noted.

 

[Hollie]

Maybe now the Moon Bat will understand how sick in the mind these queers and transsexuals are.

Nope. The left wants to groom children. Even some trannys acknowledge that convicted child molesters and tranny story time are not appropriate for children.

Keep your kids home: Drag Queen calls out parents who bring kids to see 'adult' performers

This drag queen, whoever it is, is ALL OF US RIGHT NOW. We have been calling for parents to stop taking their kids to see drag queens. It's for adults. They literally perform in skimpy outfits and gyrate their hips like Shakira with a boner. If you're a parent taking your kids to see this, then...

crankers.com

 

[Hollie]

Your concession is duly noted.

A typical, craven leftist tactic.

When your attempt at argument fails, make nonsensical declarations about others.

 

[JoeB131]

When your attempt at argument fails, make nonsensical declarations about others.

Nope, you were left sputtering when I pointed out that Capitalism has caused Famines just as bad as the Commie Famines.

The ironic thing is, America doesn't have famines because we have a "SOCIALIST" Agriculture system, where we have one USDA Bureaucrat for every 7 active Farmers, and spend 470 BILLION dollars propping up the agriculture industry to keep food cheap and make farming viable.

USAspending.gov

www.usaspending.gov

 

[Hollie]

Nope, you were left sputtering when I pointed out that Capitalism has caused Famines just as bad as the Commie Famines.

The ironic thing is, America doesn't have famines because we have a "SOCIALIST" Agriculture system, where we have one USDA Bureaucrat for every 7 active Farmers, and spend 470 BILLION dollars propping up the agriculture industry to keep food cheap and make farming viable.

USAspending.gov

www.usaspending.gov

It’s a sign of desperation when silly leftists announce that another has conceded anything. Where did that happen?

So, yes. Your tender sensibilities were offended when it was made clear that you knew nothing of history relative to your hero Stalin intentionally killing by way of an engineered famine.

That is, of course, just one of the atrocities committed by your Stalinist / Leninist heroes.