Affirmative action. Right or wrong

[The Rabbi]

Nutters act as though affirmative action is simply giving jobs to negros even though there are more qualified white people who want those jobs. It's a simpletons view.

You're right. It's also about giving places in universities to less-qualified blacks. How is that even legal?

Please. Study the subject matter.

LOL! Coming from you that's hysterical. You are the least informed poster here.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Can you imagine how low the self-opinion of a black kid is when he is told by the likes of World Savior that he is handicapped? It is something which destines them for failure and is passed down through generations.

Yes, that's the problem of course.
Why was AA deemed necessary in the first place? You all talk about AA as if there were no problems for women and minorities when seeking employment.

Who deemed it necessary and why?

If you can answer that question then you will also know the reason AA was created and exists today.

Go ahead and try to answer your own question.

Why are you trying to slug it out with a disgusting fuckface racist? It's only a waste of your time....

thought you had me on ignore Scatty? What a ***.




Scatty roars like a big puddy cat.......

 

[Meathead]

Can you imagine how low the self-opinion of a black kid is when he is told by the likes of World Savior that he is handicapped? It is something which destines them for failure and is passed down through generations.

Yes, that's the problem of course.
Why was AA deemed necessary in the first place? You all talk about AA as if there were no problems for women and minorities when seeking employment.

Who deemed it necessary and why?

If you can answer that question then you will also know the reason AA was created and exists today.

Go ahead and try to answer your own question.

Why are you trying to slug it out with a disgusting fuckface racist? It's only a waste of your time....

thought you had me on ignore Scatty? What a ***.




Scatty roars like a big puddy cat.......

while I agree that Stats is a very lonely American gay jew, I understand the chip on the shoulder, pedantry and greed, Yet he's like a parody of a guilt-ridden Ashkenazim Jew.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Nutters act as though affirmative action is simply giving jobs to negros even though there are more qualified white people who want those jobs. It's a simpletons view.

No...it is an accurate view....and a damaging one...since when a minority is really good at what they do....they are looked at as having to have had help to get the job.......that eats away at the relationship between co workers...which is a good thing for democrats...keeps people isolated and angry....

Lol...you know what white people say about that?

Pull yourself up by the bootstraps and stop making excuses

 

[PratchettFan]

Right and wrong are really non-issues here. The issue it was designed to deal with was clear discrimination and the prevention of minorities from progressing within our society. So the only two questions which matter are 1) has it been effective in attaining that goal and 2) if so, does it continue to be effective.

Poverty rates have gotten worse for blacks over the past 15 years.

The black middle class has grown a great deal since 1970 but has started to shrink in a big way under Obama (so has the white middle class).

Overall....the data regarding affirmative action doesn't look great.

If the purpose of AA was to develop a black middle class, then according to you it has been successful. Given the overall poverty rate in the US is 14.5%, it would appear blacks are on a par with everyone else.

Sorry...I posted the wrong graph. According to the Washington Post the current black poverty rate is 28%. That is 3X as high as whites or asians.

Again....the Democrat War on Poverty.....after trillions of dollars....is an abject failure. Ditto Affirmation Action.

I would encourage you to read the info from the attached link. Very informative.

Key Quote: "In 2011, 27.6 percent of black households were in poverty — nearly triple the poverty rate for whites."

These ten charts show the black-white economic gap hasn t budged in 50 years - The Washington Post

Which does not change the fact of the rise of the middle class, which was the intent. A middle class which, for practical purposes, simply did not exist before AA. I doubt anyone saw it as a panacea. So I think you have answered that AA did actually achieve its goal. But even if you wish to use poverty levels as a guide, I would point out one of the charts in that article shows the level was 42% in 1970, as compared to 28% today, which is a significant improvement.

I think any rational look at the numbers indicate the program has been successful. The question then is, does it continue to be successful? That's far more difficult as you can't fall back on history but have to predict the future. Personally, I think we have reached a point of diminishing returns.

The middle class didnt exist before the 1970s? WTF? How old are you, s0n?

Seriously, if you want to get into a conversation you should first try to understand what was being said. Bring yourself up to speed.

 

[PratchettFan]

Which does not change the fact of the rise of the middle class, which was the intent. A middle class which, for practical purposes, simply did not exist before AA. I doubt anyone saw it as a panacea.

You would be right other than a middle class did not exist before AA which is laughable. Anyway, LBJ was one of the worst and short-sighted presidents who took to keeping and the strategy of holding power above his instincts that blacks were inferior.

His racism is a matter of history, and the results are a matter of the evening news.

And another person who needs to read the discussion before getting involved.

 

[ClosedCaption]

If that is bitching and moaning, you cannot possibly be black.

it is and I am

The absurdity wearies me and you are tiresome.

Claim victory, put your tail between your legs and scurry off. Work on that chip on your shoulder and the inferiority complex which ails you. Btw, stop being a prick!

His chip is about as large as your denial.

Nothing of CC's is as large mine except his ass, You're a bigger ass yet.

Punk[/QUOTE]

Sitting around thinking about another man's ass eh Liberace?

 

[ClosedCaption]

But you just said people who use AA are stupid. A stupid Neurosurgeon?

Is this how far down the 'silly ****' hole we've gone?

Define "use affirmative action?"

Do you think there was a check box on his college application that said "engage in institutional racism Y/N"

AA was a fact of life - people with ethics oppose institutional racism, regardless of the color of the skin of the victim. Those who view AA as revenge against those who share the skin color of people long dead who engaged in racism, are scumbags.

Thanks for that. Since there isn't a check box how do you contend that blacks should reject something that isn't a check box.

Thanks...that shows how stupid you are.

 

[Meathead]

Which does not change the fact of the rise of the middle class, which was the intent. A middle class which, for practical purposes, simply did not exist before AA. I doubt anyone saw it as a panacea.

You would be right other than a middle class did not exist before AA which is laughable. Anyway, LBJ was one of the worst and short-sighted presidents who took to keeping and the strategy of holding power above his instincts that blacks were inferior.

His racism is a matter of history, and the results are a matter of the evening news.

And another person who needs to read the discussion before getting involved.

Affirmative Action is a secret to those espouse it, but not those who object.

The objection is one who those who have felt slighted in the past should completely understand, but I am sure they see it through the prism of retribution.

 

[The Rabbi]

Poverty rates have gotten worse for blacks over the past 15 years.

The black middle class has grown a great deal since 1970 but has started to shrink in a big way under Obama (so has the white middle class).

Overall....the data regarding affirmative action doesn't look great.

If the purpose of AA was to develop a black middle class, then according to you it has been successful. Given the overall poverty rate in the US is 14.5%, it would appear blacks are on a par with everyone else.

Sorry...I posted the wrong graph. According to the Washington Post the current black poverty rate is 28%. That is 3X as high as whites or asians.

Again....the Democrat War on Poverty.....after trillions of dollars....is an abject failure. Ditto Affirmation Action.

I would encourage you to read the info from the attached link. Very informative.

Key Quote: "In 2011, 27.6 percent of black households were in poverty — nearly triple the poverty rate for whites."

These ten charts show the black-white economic gap hasn t budged in 50 years - The Washington Post

Which does not change the fact of the rise of the middle class, which was the intent. A middle class which, for practical purposes, simply did not exist before AA. I doubt anyone saw it as a panacea. So I think you have answered that AA did actually achieve its goal. But even if you wish to use poverty levels as a guide, I would point out one of the charts in that article shows the level was 42% in 1970, as compared to 28% today, which is a significant improvement.

I think any rational look at the numbers indicate the program has been successful. The question then is, does it continue to be successful? That's far more difficult as you can't fall back on history but have to predict the future. Personally, I think we have reached a point of diminishing returns.

The middle class didnt exist before the 1970s? WTF? How old are you, s0n?

Seriously, if you want to get into a conversation you should first try to understand what was being said. Bring yourself up to speed.

Translation: Ooh you caught me so I'll write something that seems to indicate I actually know what I'm talking abouit.

That was a fail, s0n.

 

[The Rabbi]

Yes, that's the problem of course.
Why was AA deemed necessary in the first place? You all talk about AA as if there were no problems for women and minorities when seeking employment.

Who deemed it necessary and why?

If you can answer that question then you will also know the reason AA was created and exists today.

Go ahead and try to answer your own question.

Why are you trying to slug it out with a disgusting fuckface racist? It's only a waste of your time....

thought you had me on ignore Scatty? What a ***.




Scatty roars like a big puddy cat.......

while I agree that Stats is a very lonely American gay jew, I understand the chip on the shoulder, pedantry and greed, Yet he's like a parody of a guilt-ridden Ashkenazim Jew.

He's not Jewish at all. He is a parody of a euro-***.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

When will whites with indentured servants in their ancestry get affirmative action?

 

[The2ndAmendment]

If affirmative action for blacks is wrong, then assigning handicapped parking for handicapped people is also wrong.

Are you saying that blacks are naturally handicapped upon birth?

That's got to be the MOST BIGOTED STATEMENT ever made on USMB.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Democrats certainly treat blacks like their handicapped. It is disgusting.

Time to buck up people! Work hard....get an education....raise your children. It's pretty simple.

If someone is mean to you stop crying. **** 'em and prove the assholes wrong. Stop making excuses and man up. Okay?

What the F are you talking about? Who's treating blacks like they're handicapped? And if dems are treating blacks like handicapped then why do dems consistently get black votes in the 90s percentile?

What you are saying is blacks invite racism and self humiliation from the dems upon themselves? Gawd, you ***** Nuse viewers are complete morons.

You're treating them like they are handicapped.

Better question: What percentage of blacks actually vote?

Even better question: Why did all these blacks in Chicago tell Al Shartpon that they don't know a single person who voted for Rahm Emanual (watch the video): Sounds like mass voter fraud in Chicago!

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

1) Tell minorities they are being discriminated.
2) Promise them gifts and indulgence.
3) Bingo! They are now totally reliant on your help, yet believing everything in this country is against them.

Steps on how to have this opinion.

Step1: Ignore discrimination. Preferably make it seem as if minorities are being taught discrimination is a problem. Not that they have ever experienced it themselves.

Step2: Pretend as if being treated fairly is a "gift" from whites that they dont have to extend to others

Step3: Bingo! Now your opinion is based on nothing other than "yer gut" since evidence has been thrown out the window

Tell that to the NBA and NFL.

 

[World Savior]

This is my frustration with these liberal socialist programs. Trillions of dollars and abject failure by any measure. Yet, the answer is always throw more money at the problem.

Why do liberals want to keep going with the same solution when all the evidence is clear their policies have utterly failed?

Sa

If affirmative action for blacks is wrong, then assigning handicapped parking for handicapped people is also wrong.

Are you saying that blacks are naturally handicapped upon birth?

That's got to be the MOST BIGOTED STATEMENT ever made on USMB.

No I am saying stupid racist trash are handicapped. The handicap lies with the racist morons, not with the victims of racism. Remember, in a rape the person at fault is the racist, he gets punished. Similarly, in a discrimination situation the people at fault are the racists, not the victims. Glad you asked the question.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

There are different views on affirmative action in this country. One thing is certain though. It doesn't help to solve the problem of racial inequality in this country. On the contrary, the divide becomes even bigger thanks to the gifts from the government. Vicious circle works the following way:
1) Tell minorities they are being discriminated.
2) Promise them gifts and indulgence.
3) Bingo! They are now totally reliant on your help, yet believing everything in this country is against them.

Nonsense.

This is ignorant, ridiculous, and wrong.

There are particular cases and situations where the use of affirmative action is appropriate, effective, and Constitutional, such as university admissions policies; provided a standard of strict scrutiny is applied by the courts when reviewing affirmative action policies and that such policies are narrowly tailored, seeking only to remedy a specific manifestation of racial inequality. See, e.g., Grutter v. Bollinger (2003)

That is wrong and much of admissions law has been rewritten.
There is no, zero, reason for discrimination in university admissions. Michigan voted to outlaw all racial preferences. The USSC backed them up.
The "legacy of discrimination" story is bullshit. It is 2015 already. Most people alive today have no memory of Jim Crow or any of that.

"Most people alive today have no memory of Jim Crow or any of that."

Probably the most ignorant shit I have ever seen you post, and that's saying a lot.

Jim Crow "officially" ended fifty years ago.
I'm 46 yrs. My father was born in 1932. Do you suppose that if my grandfather were so inclined to believe the conventional wisdom of his day concerning black folks, he wouldn't have passed that along to his son? Seeing as Jim Crow ended just before I came along, do you think my father wouldn't pass that to me? I'm here now. I'm thankful that my grandfather was an enlightened man for his time.

Flip the the record to the other side.
Black folks today have no memory of that time?

 

[World Savior]

Democrats certainly treat blacks like their handicapped. It is disgusting.

Time to buck up people! Work hard....get an education....raise your children. It's pretty simple.

If someone is mean to you stop crying. **** 'em and prove the assholes wrong. Stop making excuses and man up. Okay?

What the F are you talking about? Who's treating blacks like they're handicapped? And if dems are treating blacks like handicapped then why do dems consistently get black votes in the 90s percentile?

What you are saying is blacks invite racism and self humiliation from the dems upon themselves? Gawd, you ***** Nuse viewers are complete morons.

You're treating them like they are handicapped.

Better question: What percentage of blacks actually vote?

Even better question: Why did all these blacks in Chicago tell Al Shartpon that they don't know a single person who voted for Rahm Emanual (watch the video): Sounds like mass voter fraud in Chicago!

Once again: The handicap analogy applies to racists and racism. You applied it to the victims of racism. I applied it to the racists. See? You are the one who thinks minorities are handicapped not me. I never said minorities are handicapped. I will say one hundred percent, racists are mentally handicapped. It's a mental defect. You and I don't think alike I guess.

 

[World Savior]

If AA is racist, then why do blacks vote for candidates who support AA? Why do cons support a candidate, Ben Carson, who was a beneficiary of AA? If AA is racist against whites, then why don't the white majority senators and congressmen repeal AA?

If burning crosses on the lawns of black people is racist, then why did the KKK vote for democrats who supported burning crosses?

If you have a brain, then why do eat your own feces?

LOL the racist southern democrats became today's racist republicans. Remember this adage:

Not all conservatives are racists but all racists are conservatives.

 

[World Savior]

The ironically named "World Savior" has seemed to disappear. He was obviously a racist of the worst sort.

What do you expect when one accuses others of racism while calling one race handicapped.

How can people like CC ever feel equal?!

Nope, the real racists are republicans. I am so sorry I hurt your butt. Fact is dems attract ALL kinds of minorities. It's too bad you cling on to your weapons, racism, discrimination, name calling and birth certificate hysteria.

Don't worry when you lose national elections, you will continue to have access to your weapons and birth certs. You can scream and yell BO is going to take away your weapons and you need to see his BC. That's not racism, right? LOL, tell that to the minorities. You don't have their votes any ways, so keep up with your hysteria.