Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

[BreezeWood]

A parent does not let a Satan or talking serpent near their children.

The prick you follow put those there and watched them help write the Christian hymn that calls Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

Why would you want to derail god's plan?

Regards
DL

that was their decision, to chose their own destiny - your presumption is they were willing to live in ignorant bliss for all eternity would have been better.

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it was their decision whether a serpent was present or not - their request was granted, with success there can also be failure if they succeeded in the end then they are back where they came from and doubtfully if not desired in communication with the serpent if there really was one.

the religion of antiquity, partly a&e's choice is simply the means for a spirit to be admitted to the Everlasting than to just perish with its physiological component.

 

[emilynghiem]

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there in lies your own entrapment - by the false desert religions.
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a&e chose their own mission of self determination granted to them for their own destiny without certainty of remission to the Everlasting upon failure in accomplishing their goal -

the same reaffirmation of liberation theology in the 1st century by the religious itinerant who was destined by the same desire to sacrifice their life to triumph over evil for admission to the Everlasting as was prescribed for everyone earlier as the true religion of antiquity. - abandoned in their scriptures by all three desert religions.

The rest of the Bible fulfills that path of knowing and choosing by free will and reason

BreezeWood because the eyes of man were opened to knowledge of right and wrong,
true and false, good and evil ie selflessness and selfishness, love vs fear
Then it became necessary to FULLY RECONCILE man's selfish/imperfect will
with God's perfect will which represents what you may call the REAL UNIVERSAL TRUTH
(INDEPENDENT from man's understanding or Christian teaching of the Bible)

the whole point is to resolve all these conflicts in understanding and perception
and arrive at only the UNIVERSAL TRUTH which can satisfy and resolve all as one

You do not agree with how Christians teach from the Bible

But there are ways to express what you are trying to teach
and still use the Biblical symbols to explain that process of
establishing Truth for sake of Justice and Peace, the TRUE version not the fake false religions that misteach this

 

[emilynghiem]

The point is to create a foundation for fear and obedience. Nothing more.

Yes and No Fort Fun Indiana
in the OT initial stages, this foundation was presented much like a parent first teaching a child
the rules, by BLIND faith and obedience, which FAILED. people learn by trial and error,
by experience and earlier on we did not have the ability to use our knowledge and freedom
PERFECTLY to live in peace. So the OT is full of genocide and bad consequences of bad decisions.
That is one stage of the learning curve.

The NT is where we have introduced the stage of EMBODYING Christ Jesus
as Restorative Justice or Justice with Mercy and Peace INTO humanity's conscience
and conscious world.

So with this ability to reconcile man's imperfect will with God's universal truth and laws,
then the process of learning obedience is different.

It is not by blind faith.
We DO restore the childlike innocence again, but as mature ADULTS
who use both our knowledge/experience and with the OPEN minds of children
are able to see clearly and free to ask and share without fear or shame.
So that GOOD side of being "childlike" is restored, but for the purpose
of acting responsibly as adults and using REASON to obey (not just fear of punishment
which relies on coercion from an outside source and is not fully independent).

We require UNDERSTANDING the process so we CHOOSE FREELY
to follow the process of Equal Justice and Peace for All Humanity.

We cannot be FORCED to embody Justice or we do not accept it, but reject and rebel.

Teenagers cannot be forced or they rebel.

That is what we see going on with religion and politics right now.

Obedience cannot be forced or the faith isn't real, it's insincere and will fall apart under pressure.

in politics, If you look at the "mandates" these cause rebellion and rejection.
But the people who already AGREE with policies don't mind the mandates because
they already choose FREELY to do the same thing anyway.

Same with abortion laws that don't bother people who already agree to follow the policy with or without the mandates.

Where we are heading is CHOOSING FREELY and basing policy on CONSENT
not on force or coercion. And certainly not based on bullying attacks, rejection and threats of punishment.

The key message in the Bible is to move AWAY from and outgrow the OT ways
and live by the NT ways of CHOOSING to embody and empower ourselves
by knowledge of the laws and enforcing these directly because we AGREE the
ways are BETTER for restoring justice and peace and agreeing on common truth.

 

[emilynghiem]

A parent does not let a Satan or talking serpent near their children.

The prick you follow put those there and watched them help write the Christian hymn that calls Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

Why would you want to derail god's plan?

Regards
DL

BreezeWood said:


that was their decision, to chose their own destiny

Dear GreatestIam and BreezeWood
Regardless how we see this stage in development,
can we agree it is inevitable that if humans are going to make
decisions by reason and experience, then our eyes and minds
must include seeing all things in our history and in the laws of
the universe that we CAN grasp or at least know that these exist.

We cannot make fully informed decisions without being fully informed.

So regardless if people want to blame God Adam Eve or the symbolic Serpent
for when the mind of man was first aware of knowledge beyond what
humanity could control responsibly, this knowledge led to what we
see now: wars over religion, politics, tribes, control or monopoly
of spiritual or medical knowledge, economic control of land and resources, etc.

The GREED causes man to fight over control over the knowledge.

All the messages here are complaining of some VERSION of that problem.

Some blaming misogyny or homophobia on Christians/Muslims
MONOPOLIZING power.

Some blaming either Christians or others for "teaching false things"
and monopolizing or manipulating the masses for control.

GreatestIam The purpose of teaching Christ Jesus as the "Messiah or Message"
to save "all humanity" is to BREAK this vicious cycle of hateful phobia,
false government (which the Biblical Christians call Antichrist) and the
False teachings and divisive/hate speech (which is called False Prophet or prophecy).

So whether we see Adam and Eve and even the interaction with the Serpent
"as part of God's plan" for humanity to reach full enlightenment and awareness,
the point is to RECONCILE by correcting all the wrongs and errors
and agree on universal truth.

Christians call this uniting in prayer in Christ Jesus Authority
which represents God's Universal and Divine/Perfect Justice or Laws/Word of God

Whatever you call this process and call the Universal Truth
we are all supposed to agree on in the end, can we discuss
the best ways to get to that unified agreement where
everyone is included and called to act equally.

So if we want something to change in other people or groups to reach
this unified understanding, we also are called to make the same
degree of changes ourselves.

What are you willing to give to this process in order to
compel others to do the same?

 

[GreatestIam]

Dear GreatestIam and BreezeWood
Regardless how we see this stage in development,
can we agree it is inevitable that if humans are going to make
decisions by reason and experience, then our eyes and minds
must include seeing all things in our history and in the laws of
the universe that we CAN grasp or at least know that these exist.

We cannot make fully informed decisions without being fully informed.

So regardless if people want to blame God Adam Eve or the symbolic Serpent
for when the mind of man was first aware of knowledge beyond what
humanity could control responsibly, this knowledge led to what we
see now: wars over religion, politics, tribes, control or monopoly
of spiritual or medical knowledge, economic control of land and resources, etc.

The GREED causes man to fight over control over the knowledge.

All the messages here are complaining of some VERSION of that problem.

Some blaming misogyny or homophobia on Christians/Muslims
MONOPOLIZING power.

Some blaming either Christians or others for "teaching false things"
and monopolizing or manipulating the masses for control.

GreatestIam The purpose of teaching Christ Jesus as the "Messiah or Message"
to save "all humanity" is to BREAK this vicious cycle of hateful phobia,
false government (which the Biblical Christians call Antichrist) and the
False teachings and divisive/hate speech (which is called False Prophet or prophecy).

So whether we see Adam and Eve and even the interaction with the Serpent
"as part of God's plan" for humanity to reach full enlightenment and awareness,
the point is to RECONCILE by correcting all the wrongs and errors
and agree on universal truth.

Christians call this uniting in prayer in Christ Jesus Authority
which represents God's Universal and Divine/Perfect Justice or Laws/Word of God

Whatever you call this process and call the Universal Truth
we are all supposed to agree on in the end, can we discuss
the best ways to get to that unified agreement where
everyone is included and called to act equally.

So if we want something to change in other people or groups to reach
this unified understanding, we also are called to make the same
degree of changes ourselves.

What are you willing to give to this process in order to
compel others to do the same?

I agree that religions lie to us regularly and that they are evil misogynous and homophobic religions and are garbage.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

that was their decision, to chose their own destiny - your presumption is they were willing to live in ignorant bliss for all eternity would have been better.

Stop misrepresenting my thinking.

Where did I make that ass backwards presumption?

Regards
DL

 

[Rigby5]

Homophobia huh?

which liberals define as an UNREASONABLE fear of sexual perversion

But I dont think the mental disorder known as homosexuality is good for society

and nor have reasonable people throughout history

It is good for society if society is over populated.
All animals become more homosexual automatically when over populated.
It is not conscious, but instinctive.

 

[Mac-7]

It is good for society if society is over populated.
All animals become more homosexual automatically when over populated.
It is not conscious, but instinctive.

You might find a occasional species that politically motivated libs might claim that for

But its nonsense

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

Be you a believer or not, your life has been affected by the mainstream religions and the myth of Adam and Eve. It is the source of Christian homophobia and misogyny.

There are many strange things in the myth of Adam and Eve.

Was Adam born alone or first?

If Adam was created in God’s image and likeness, who is woman modeled after?

Satan is depicted in part as a woman.

Who was she modeled on and why female? Likely because of evolution and women being men’s biological prize.

In law, to be punished, one must be shown to have evil intent or an evil mind. Latin, Men’s Rea.

This is what human justice is based on.

Was Eve innocent, given that she had no evil intent?

Regards
DL

Both sinned. Both die in body. Don't sin in your soul. A soul that sins will also die. Eternal damnation. By your words you will be justified. By your words you will be condemned.

 

[BreezeWood]

The rest of the Bible fulfills that path of knowing and choosing by free will and reason

BreezeWood because the eyes of man were opened to knowledge of right and wrong,
true and false, good and evil ie selflessness and selfishness, love vs fear
Then it became necessary to FULLY RECONCILE man's selfish/imperfect will
with God's perfect will which represents what you may call the REAL UNIVERSAL TRUTH
(INDEPENDENT from man's understanding or Christian teaching of the Bible)

the whole point is to resolve all these conflicts in understanding and perception
and arrive at only the UNIVERSAL TRUTH which can satisfy and resolve all as one

You do not agree with how Christians teach from the Bible

But there are ways to express what you are trying to teach
and still use the Biblical symbols to explain that process of
establishing Truth for sake of Justice and Peace, the TRUE version not the fake false religions that misteach this

.

Then it became necessary to FULLY RECONCILE man's selfish/imperfect will
with God's perfect will which represents what you may call the REAL UNIVERSAL TRUTH

and still use the Biblical symbols to explain that process

there is nothing referred to as perfect in existence - the prescribed religion requires purity - from evil - for admission to the Everlasting, the goal set out to a&e and by that all who follow.

- pure is pure there is no other level.

you keep not reading the christian bible is a work of corruption by those responsible for the crucifixion of the 1st century itinerant. not to mention the history of persecution and victimization of the innocent all three desert religions are guilty to the present day - emily, are you a hopeless sinner ...

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

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there is nothing referred to as perfect in existence - the prescribed religion requires purity - from evil - for admission to the Everlasting, the goal set out to a&e and by that all who follow.

- pure is pure there is no other level.

you keep not reading the christian bible is a work of corruption by those responsible for the crucifixion of the 1st century itinerant. not to mention the history of persecution and victimization of the innocent all three desert religions are guilty to the present day - emily, are you a hopeless sinner ...

Adam and Eve only knew right before the fall. It was foolish to want to know what is wrong. We don't have free will. We have, you will be punished, for whatever.

 

[BreezeWood]

Adam and Eve only knew right before the fall. It was foolish to want to know what is wrong. We don't have free will. We have, you will be punished, for whatever.

they choose their own destiny by becoming informed, the right decision - the struggle is what they could not have anticipated nor most that never reach the depths that is required to become pure. that's why they latch to religion and its shallow interpretations.

 

[ding]

I agree that religions lie to us regularly and that they are evil misogynous and homophobic religions and are garbage.

Regards
DL

That's just the religion of socialism, bro. They are real evil pieces of shit.

 

[ding]

they choose their own destiny by becoming informed, the right decision - the struggle is what they could not have anticipated nor most that never reach the depths that is required to become pure. that's why they latch to religion and its shallow interpretations.

It's an allegorical account, dummy.

 

[Blues Man]

Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

Be you a believer or not, your life has been affected by the mainstream religions and the myth of Adam and Eve. It is the source of Christian homophobia and misogyny.

There are many strange things in the myth of Adam and Eve.

Was Adam born alone or first?

If Adam was created in God’s image and likeness, who is woman modeled after?

Satan is depicted in part as a woman.

Who was she modeled on and why female? Likely because of evolution and women being men’s biological prize.

In law, to be punished, one must be shown to have evil intent or an evil mind. Latin, Men’s Rea.

This is what human justice is based on.

Was Eve innocent, given that she had no evil intent?

Regards
DL

Easy answer for an anthropologist or a sociologist.

It's a reflection of the misogyny of the times.

 

[ding]

1. Christianity promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness.

2. Christianity created wonderful charities and organizations.

3. Christian persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions.

4. Christianity has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing.

5. Christianity gave us the concept of subsidiarity.

6. Christianity has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility.

7. Christianity teaches accountability and responsibility.

8. Christianity teaches that we have a choice in how we behave.

9. Christianity teaches that actions have consequences.

10. Christianity inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe.

11. Christianity helps us feel connected to one another and to nature.

12. Christianity helps us feel less alone in the world.

13. Christianity serves to ennoble the human spirit.

14. Christianity serves to bind the community together.

15. Christianity inspires love, peace and happiness.

16. Christianity serves to create traditions.

17. Christianity brings order to our lives.

18. Christianity brings comfort to the terminally ill.

19. Christianity can act as a source of hope for the oppressed.

20. Christianity teaches that we can transform ourselves.

21. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon.

22. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church.

23. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church.

24. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market.

25. The Catholic Church invented the university.

26. Western law grew out of Church canon law.

27. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life.

28. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources.

29. Christianity gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians.

30. Christianity gave us America.

31. Christianity gave us incredible artwork.

32. Christianity gave us incredible music.

33. Christianity gave us incredible architecture.

34. Christianity has spread democracy.

35. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression.

36. Christians rebuilt Europe after WWII.

37. Christians rebuilt Japan after WWII.

38. Christians put a man on the moon.

39. Christians ended the cold war.

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

Homophobia huh?

which liberals define as an UNREASONABLE fear of sexual perversion

But I dont think the mental disorder known as homosexuality is good for society

and nor have reasonable people throughout history

Liar's in the church made the left do what they are doing. The church made people think they are another sex, by deifying clothing, polishing people who don't have that deity on their body.

 

[GreatestIam]

It is good for society if society is over populated.
All animals become more homosexual automatically when over populated.
It is not conscious, but instinctive.

I have yet to read such.

Can I get a source?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Both sinned. Both die in body. Don't sin in your soul. A soul that sins will also die. Eternal damnation. By your words you will be justified. By your words you will be condemned.

How did Eve sin?

Could she resist Yahweh's own power running through Satan and the talking serpent, when Yahweh gave Satan the power to deceive all on earth?

IOW's Yahweh set Eve up to sin and that makes him just as culpable. Right?

Or is this like Job where Satan does what Yahweh says and gets all the blame, while Christians ignore that Yahweh is the don i8n this scenario.

You condemn the hit man while ignoring the don that sent her.

A vile Christian double moral standard that.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Adam and Eve only knew right before the fall.

We live in a dualistic universe, and your lie is noted.

Strange that you would think Adam to know what is good without learning at the same time that something other than right is wrong.

Your view makes both you and Adam as dumb as bricks.

Break my logic or admit it.

Regards
DL