Active Shooters in France Kill 648 Men, Women and Children

Weatherman2020

Diamond Member
Mar 3, 2013
91,636
62,451
2,605
Right coast, classified
What happens when the people with all the power have all the guns.

On June 10, 1944, four days after D-Day, troops of the 4th SS Panzer Regiment surrounded the French village of Oradour-sur-Glane, in central France. The troops surrounded the village, ordered the people to assemble in the village square, and shot those who tried to flee.

The National Socialist forces put women and children on one side, men on the other. The men were confined in six locations, faced down by heavy machine guns. The SS troops set off an explosion then gunned down the men, aiming for the legs before finishing them off at point blank range and setting the dead and dying on fire.

The SS troops locked the women and children in the village church, filled with black smoke from an exploding gas cannister. The Germans threw in grenades, shot indiscriminately, and set the victims on fire. The rest of the village was then looted and set ablaze.

The attackers killed 245 women and 207 children, including six below the age of six months. The 196 men killed included seven Jewish refugees from other parts of France. Out of the 648 people murdered in the village, only 50 could be identified. One woman survived by jumping from a window of the church, breaking her leg and taking a bullet from a Nazi soldier. She lost her husband, son, two daughters, and a grandson only seven months old.

The massacre of Oradour-sur-Glane, the worst atrocity in Nazi-occupied France, was a reprisal for attacks by the French Maquis or Résistance. This mass murder, and the oppression of a nation, were enabled by the systematic disarming of the French people. Stephen P. Halbrook wrote about it in Gun Control in Nazi-Occupied France: Tyranny and Resistance, the first scholarly work on the subject.

Pierre Laval, prime minister in 1935, decreed the registration of firearms for the first time in modern French history. The registration was “aimed at firearms owners at large and did not focus on those responsible for fomenting political violence.” The main effect “was to enhance the power of government over the citizens.” Little did anyone anticipate that “just five years later, France would be conquered by Nazi Germany.”

When the Nazi forces invaded France in May of 1940, the Stalin-Hitler Pact was in force. The powerful French Communist party opposed the war against Hitler and “encouraged friendship with Germans when they occupied Paris.”

In June of 1940, Pierre Laval was deputy prime minister in the government collaborating fully with the Nazis. The previous month the government issued a decree demanding the surrender of all firearms and radio transmitters, on penalty of death. The French were also subject to the death penalty for failing to denounce someone who possessed guns.

As Halbrook shows, few French supported the resistance before the roundups of Jews in July 1942 and the obligatory service declaration in February 1943. After that, support increased and the allies parachuted arms to the Maquis, who still lacked firepower. They trained teens to shoot, and French civilians battled Nazis in Paris with any rifles and pistols they could find.

One French fighter shot a pistol through his pocket and took out two German sentries. Jewish partisans ambushed a German train shouting “Wir sind Juden! Wir sind Juden!” As Maurice Bernsohn explained, “We pounced on them, I tearing a revolver from the belt of a German major,” and he kept the gun “to this day.”

Halbrook also tells the story of Hélène, a young Jewish woman who helped others escape the firing squads. “She was arrested in March 1944 and deported to Auschwitz and Belsen-Belsen,” Halbrook writes, “where she would die just days before the camp was liberated in 1945.” Many others perished in the struggle to liberate Paris.

Pierre Laval’s crusade for a “gun-free France” wound up aiding the murderous National Socialist tyranny that slaughtered the 648 at Oradour-sur-Glane, hardly the only site of Nazi massacres.

Halbrook is also the author of Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming the Jews and “Enemies of the State.” Before the Nazis took power, the author notes, the liberal Weimar Republic sought to register, regulate and prohibit firearms. A 1926 order demanded surrender of all firearms and a 1926 Bavarian law barred Gypsies from owning guns.

When the National Socialist German Workers Party took power in 1933, they grabbed the registration records of the Weimar Republic. Nazi official Wilhelm Elfes ruled that weapons belonged only in the hands of the organs of the Reich and the states. In the National Socialist view, nobody needed a firearm for self-defense when the police protected society and sport shooting and hunting were not a “need,” as determined by the government.

Halbrook shows how the National Socialists denied access to firearms to anyone not an adherent of National Socialism. The purge included the Stahlhelm, a veterans group critical of the Nazi regime, and all “unreliable” types, with German Jews a primary target.

In 1896, Albert Flatow won first place in gymnastic events at the Olympic games in Athens. In 1932, Flatow registered three handguns as required by a decree of the Weimar Republic. On October 4, 1938, the Nazis arrested the Olympic champion for possession of the firearms he dutifully registered in 1932. His arrest report stated that “arms in the hands of Jews are a danger to public safety.”

Flatow was turned over to the Gestapo and died of starvation in Theresienstadt Concentration Camp in December 1942. For Halbrook, the lesson is obvious.

“A disarmed populace that is taught that it has no rights other than what the government decrees as positive law is obviously more susceptible to totalitarian rule and is less able to resist oppression.” On the other hand, “an armed populace with a political culture of allowed constitutional and natural rights that they are motivated to fight for is less likely to fall under the sway of a tyranny.” Jump ahead to 2022 and the lessons should be obvious.

Five years ago, few envisioned that the White House would be occupied by the addled puppet of the hate-America left. In the style of the composite character David Garrow described in Rising Star: The Making of Barack Obama, Biden ignores Islamic terrorism and targets his domestic opposition. Anyone less than worshipful of the Biden Junta is proclaimed a “domestic terrorist” or “violent extremist,” code for Trump voters and anyone who dares question the 2020 election.

Conservative Christians, Jews, and patriotic Americans are disfavored groups and relentlessly demonized. It disturbs the Biden Junta that these Americans have Second Amendment rights to keep and bear arms.

The Biden Junta exploits mass shootings by criminals to call for a ban on “assault weapons,” a reference to the AR-15. Fully automatic weapons are already banned, but as Halbrook explains, the semiautomatic AR-15 enjoys “common use” protections under the Second Amendment. Such firearms are “typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes” and “chosen by American society,” not the government.

Joe Biden is now spouting nonsense about 9mm bullets, which hints at a ban on handguns. If embattled Americans thought that the Democrats’ endgame is to disarm the people it would be hard to blame them. A disarmed public would be more vulnerable to the sway of a tyranny and attacks such as Oradour-sur-Glane.

That mass atrocity was followed by a National Socialist propaganda campaign claiming that the villagers initiated the battle, that the men of the village died during the fight, and the women and children died from an explosion in a Résistance ammunition dump. To adapt the Cecil Eby title, the victims were caught between the bullet and the lie.

This is what can happen when the people with all the power have all the guns. Moving forward, the struggle is all about memory against forgetting. “Vive la France libre! Vive l’Amérique libre!”
 
LOL. Wow. The new low of the Alt-Right.

Just when I think you people have reached the bottom of the barrel, people like Penguin Boy find a way to hammer out the bottom and dig a new one. :auiqs.jpg:
 
Are you under the belief the US government wouldn’t kill it’s own citizens?
Oh, of course. If you could, you could ask Randy Weaver about that. But despite conspiracy theory notions to the contrary, it doesn't happen, and won't happen arbitrarily. If that were the case, you'd be seeing house to house. And there's no better example of this than what you are going to see tonight. Given the fact that on January 6th, 2021, you had a full blown insurrection happening with hundreds of people storming the Capitol and thousands of people surrounding it, only one person ended up getting shot and killed. I say that shows remarkable restraint.
 
No. It's more like your typical BS posting track. And you posted it in a History folder trying to equate a present day, alt-right political rant to equate to an event that happened days after D-Day...in the middle of WW2.
History doesn’t repeat.
It rhymes.

He who fails to learn from history is doomed to repeat it.
 
Hard to know, because he failed to state what he believes.

Hit and run I guess.
I just did, Gip. You just didn't like, or want to hear the answer. No, they wouldn't. If that were the case, they would have been dragging bodies out of the Capitol for hours and sponging up the blood for days.
 
Oh, of course. If you could, you could ask Randy Weaver about that. But despite conspiracy theory notions to the contrary, it doesn't happen, and won't happen arbitrarily. If that were the case, you'd be seeing house to house. And there's no better example of this than what you are going to see tonight. Given the fact that on January 6th, 2021, you had a full blown insurrection happening with hundreds of people storming the Capitol and thousands of people surrounding it, only one person ended up getting shot and killed. I say that shows remarkable restraint.
You need to review American history a bit better. Our government has murdered many Americans purposely. Secondly, the founding fathers instituted the 2A specifically to allow the people to protect themselves from their government.

As you most know, governments around the world throughout history have murdered their people. It’s as common as snow in winter.
 
Last edited:
Them Frenchies should have fought their way out of it. like 'nam
HELP !
HELP !
Wee lil Wee Wee .Oui ? Si !
Au gratin, por favor.
 
I just did, Gip. You just didn't like, or want to hear the answer. No, they wouldn't. If that were the case, they would have been dragging bodies out of the Capitol for hours and sponging up the blood for days.
Murdering one unarmed citizen wasn’t enough.
Would the US government enslave people, secretly perform medical experiments on them, gun unarmed people down, round up citizens and put them in concentration camps, burn children alive?

If you knew history you’d know what our government is capable of doing.
 
I just did, Gip. You just didn't like, or want to hear the answer. No, they wouldn't. If that were the case, they would have been dragging bodies out of the Capitol for hours and sponging up the blood for days.
Over 650 million people have been murdered by their own governments in the past century. You’re an idiot to think it’s over.
 
Over 650 million people have been murdered by their own governments in the past century. You’re an idiot to think it’s over.
To tie in 1/6 to this debate is foolish, but typical of corporate media duped Americans.

However one could argue that since our government only murdered one rioter during the 1/6 riot, they likely wanted the event to occur.
 
Oh, of course. If you could, you could ask Randy Weaver about that. But despite conspiracy theory notions to the contrary, it doesn't happen, and won't happen arbitrarily. If that were the case, you'd be seeing house to house. And there's no better example of this than what you are going to see tonight. Given the fact that on January 6th, 2021, you had a full blown insurrection happening with hundreds of people storming the Capitol and thousands of people surrounding it, only one person ended up getting shot and killed. I say that shows remarkable restraint.

It does happen and it has.
There are 40 million citizens denied their right to vote due to the illegal federal War on Drugs.
The police kill about 2000 people a year, mostly for trying to run away.
The police just did not harm the Jan 6 protestors because they shared values, like being white, mostly vets, etc.
The government kills minorities all the time
 
What happens when the people with all the power have all the guns.

On June 10, 1944, four days after D-Day, troops of the 4th SS Panzer Regiment surrounded the French village of Oradour-sur-Glane, in central France. The troops surrounded the village, ordered the people to assemble in the village square, and shot those who tried to flee.

The National Socialist forces put women and children on one side, men on the other. The men were confined in six locations, faced down by heavy machine guns. The SS troops set off an explosion then gunned down the men, aiming for the legs before finishing them off at point blank range and setting the dead and dying on fire.

The SS troops locked the women and children in the village church, filled with black smoke from an exploding gas cannister. The Germans threw in grenades, shot indiscriminately, and set the victims on fire. The rest of the village was then looted and set ablaze.

The attackers killed 245 women and 207 children, including six below the age of six months. The 196 men killed included seven Jewish refugees from other parts of France. Out of the 648 people murdered in the village, only 50 could be identified. One woman survived by jumping from a window of the church, breaking her leg and taking a bullet from a Nazi soldier. She lost her husband, son, two daughters, and a grandson only seven months old.

The massacre of Oradour-sur-Glane, the worst atrocity in Nazi-occupied France, was a reprisal for attacks by the French Maquis or Résistance. This mass murder, and the oppression of a nation, were enabled by the systematic disarming of the French people. Stephen P. Halbrook wrote about it in Gun Control in Nazi-Occupied France: Tyranny and Resistance, the first scholarly work on the subject.

Pierre Laval, prime minister in 1935, decreed the registration of firearms for the first time in modern French history. The registration was “aimed at firearms owners at large and did not focus on those responsible for fomenting political violence.” The main effect “was to enhance the power of government over the citizens.” Little did anyone anticipate that “just five years later, France would be conquered by Nazi Germany.”

When the Nazi forces invaded France in May of 1940, the Stalin-Hitler Pact was in force. The powerful French Communist party opposed the war against Hitler and “encouraged friendship with Germans when they occupied Paris.”

In June of 1940, Pierre Laval was deputy prime minister in the government collaborating fully with the Nazis. The previous month the government issued a decree demanding the surrender of all firearms and radio transmitters, on penalty of death. The French were also subject to the death penalty for failing to denounce someone who possessed guns.

As Halbrook shows, few French supported the resistance before the roundups of Jews in July 1942 and the obligatory service declaration in February 1943. After that, support increased and the allies parachuted arms to the Maquis, who still lacked firepower. They trained teens to shoot, and French civilians battled Nazis in Paris with any rifles and pistols they could find.

One French fighter shot a pistol through his pocket and took out two German sentries. Jewish partisans ambushed a German train shouting “Wir sind Juden! Wir sind Juden!” As Maurice Bernsohn explained, “We pounced on them, I tearing a revolver from the belt of a German major,” and he kept the gun “to this day.”

Halbrook also tells the story of Hélène, a young Jewish woman who helped others escape the firing squads. “She was arrested in March 1944 and deported to Auschwitz and Belsen-Belsen,” Halbrook writes, “where she would die just days before the camp was liberated in 1945.” Many others perished in the struggle to liberate Paris.

Pierre Laval’s crusade for a “gun-free France” wound up aiding the murderous National Socialist tyranny that slaughtered the 648 at Oradour-sur-Glane, hardly the only site of Nazi massacres.

Halbrook is also the author of Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming the Jews and “Enemies of the State.” Before the Nazis took power, the author notes, the liberal Weimar Republic sought to register, regulate and prohibit firearms. A 1926 order demanded surrender of all firearms and a 1926 Bavarian law barred Gypsies from owning guns.

When the National Socialist German Workers Party took power in 1933, they grabbed the registration records of the Weimar Republic. Nazi official Wilhelm Elfes ruled that weapons belonged only in the hands of the organs of the Reich and the states. In the National Socialist view, nobody needed a firearm for self-defense when the police protected society and sport shooting and hunting were not a “need,” as determined by the government.

Halbrook shows how the National Socialists denied access to firearms to anyone not an adherent of National Socialism. The purge included the Stahlhelm, a veterans group critical of the Nazi regime, and all “unreliable” types, with German Jews a primary target.

In 1896, Albert Flatow won first place in gymnastic events at the Olympic games in Athens. In 1932, Flatow registered three handguns as required by a decree of the Weimar Republic. On October 4, 1938, the Nazis arrested the Olympic champion for possession of the firearms he dutifully registered in 1932. His arrest report stated that “arms in the hands of Jews are a danger to public safety.”

Flatow was turned over to the Gestapo and died of starvation in Theresienstadt Concentration Camp in December 1942. For Halbrook, the lesson is obvious.

“A disarmed populace that is taught that it has no rights other than what the government decrees as positive law is obviously more susceptible to totalitarian rule and is less able to resist oppression.” On the other hand, “an armed populace with a political culture of allowed constitutional and natural rights that they are motivated to fight for is less likely to fall under the sway of a tyranny.” Jump ahead to 2022 and the lessons should be obvious.

Five years ago, few envisioned that the White House would be occupied by the addled puppet of the hate-America left. In the style of the composite character David Garrow described in Rising Star: The Making of Barack Obama, Biden ignores Islamic terrorism and targets his domestic opposition. Anyone less than worshipful of the Biden Junta is proclaimed a “domestic terrorist” or “violent extremist,” code for Trump voters and anyone who dares question the 2020 election.

Conservative Christians, Jews, and patriotic Americans are disfavored groups and relentlessly demonized. It disturbs the Biden Junta that these Americans have Second Amendment rights to keep and bear arms.

The Biden Junta exploits mass shootings by criminals to call for a ban on “assault weapons,” a reference to the AR-15. Fully automatic weapons are already banned, but as Halbrook explains, the semiautomatic AR-15 enjoys “common use” protections under the Second Amendment. Such firearms are “typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes” and “chosen by American society,” not the government.

Joe Biden is now spouting nonsense about 9mm bullets, which hints at a ban on handguns. If embattled Americans thought that the Democrats’ endgame is to disarm the people it would be hard to blame them. A disarmed public would be more vulnerable to the sway of a tyranny and attacks such as Oradour-sur-Glane.

That mass atrocity was followed by a National Socialist propaganda campaign claiming that the villagers initiated the battle, that the men of the village died during the fight, and the women and children died from an explosion in a Résistance ammunition dump. To adapt the Cecil Eby title, the victims were caught between the bullet and the lie.

This is what can happen when the people with all the power have all the guns. Moving forward, the struggle is all about memory against forgetting. “Vive la France libre! Vive l’Amérique libre!”
12008-thumbs-up-icon.png
 
It does happen and it has.
There are 40 million citizens denied their right to vote due to the illegal federal War on Drugs.
The police kill about 2000 people a year, mostly for trying to run away.
The police just did not harm the Jan 6 protestors because they shared values, like being white, mostly vets, etc.
The government kills minorities all the time
No, it doesn't happen arbitrarily. And certainly not to white citizens. To people of color, certainly more often.
The police were overwhelmed on Jan 6th. And if the crowd really "shared" those values, they would have stayed peaceable and NOT stormed the building. But that didn't happen. And that's evident by the video. Lots of video evidence. Let's not even take into account the bogus reason they were there in the first place.
 
This is propaganda disguised as historical study.

- It appears to argue that Americans should defend our Second Amendment rights in case we are invaded in five years. That was never the purpose or the defense of the 2A.
- France's geopolitical situation in 1935 is drastically different than ours. If we end up getting invaded by Canada or Mexico, I have to say I like our chances.
- Nazi Germany's removal of guns from a persecuted people is nothing like modern American gun control efforts.
- Nazi Germany's persecution of the Jews was also not contingent on their firearm rights being removed.
- Terms such as "the addled public of the hate-America left" are not only childish playground language, but they betray the author's massive bias.
- It's "Bergen-Belsen," not "Belsen Belsen."

If this were a history or politics paper in even a high school class, the writer could expect a glaring F.
 
This is propaganda disguised as historical study.

- It appears to argue that Americans should defend our Second Amendment rights in case we are invaded in five years. That was never the purpose or the defense of the 2A.
- France's geopolitical situation in 1935 is drastically different than ours. If we end up getting invaded by Canada or Mexico, I have to say I like our chances.
- Nazi Germany's removal of guns from a persecuted people is nothing like modern American gun control efforts.
- Nazi Germany's persecution of the Jews was also not contingent on their firearm rights being removed.
- Terms such as "the addled public of the hate-America left" are not only childish playground language, but they betray the author's massive bias.
- It's "Bergen-Belsen," not "Belsen Belsen."

If this were a history or politics paper in even a high school class, the writer could expect a glaring F.
Pathetic display of historical knowledge.
First thing Hitler did was outlawed Jews from owning firearms.
2A was specifically written to keep the government at bay.
Subject is not 1935, it’s 1944.
And yes, the Left hate America.
1655235040524.jpeg
 

Forum List

Back
Top