According to these guys the US attacke Japan in ww2

By December 7, 1941. Pearl Harbor Day, the AVG was operational in Burma. It is fascinating to ponder that this small, mercenary force from America was already engaging Japan – on behalf of The Republic of China – just prior to Pearl Harbor and Roosevelt’s subsequent declaration of war on Japan.

The initial reception in Washington to the proposed AVG in 1939/40 was decidedly cool; only direct and intense lobbying by Gen. Chennault and others finally convinced President Roosevelt to endorse the idea. As small as the AVG mobilization was (one-hundred P-40 Tomahawk aircraft and three-hundred pilots and ground crew), Roosevelt surely foresaw the coming conflict with Japan and must have concluded that this initial, although indirect, mobilization of U.S. airpower would prove useful in kick-starting any future U.S. engagements.

There was even an early proposal that the AVG be used to directly bomb Japan as opposed to being limited to the defensive role of keeping open China’s access to the sea. By early 1941, it was clear that creating the landing strips necessary to reach Japan from China/Burma was not feasible given the Chinese defensive posture. In 1941, it had been many years since airpower first made its battle-field debut in World War I, and the airplane had become dramatically more sophisticated since then. There was much to be learned about mobilizing air power in 1941, and the AVG was to prove invaluable in that respect.

As was true in the contemporary Battle of Britain where outnumbered pilots of the RAF (Royal Air Force) performed heroically in the skies above England to save the homeland from the German Luftwaffe, the AVG Flying Tigers routinely were outnumbered in sky by odds typically three-to-one in favor of Japan.

 
The Aircraft given to the AVG belonged to the United Kingdom, NOT the USA.
By December 7, 1941. Pearl Harbor Day, the AVG was operational in Burma. It is fascinating to ponder that this small, mercenary force from America was already engaging Japan – on behalf of The Republic of China – just prior to Pearl Harbor and Roosevelt’s subsequent declaration of war on Japan.

From JoeB131 link he supplied.

Now the P40 was not a civilian airplane. It was designed to use by the Army Air Corps, later the Air Force. Since they belonged to the US Government, only an official of the Administration hand them over to China. FDR did it secretly.
 
I'm sure if Chiang had won the Civil War, we'd have come looking to collect on all that material we sent him.

But he was ******* incompetent and the Commies won.
actually, we caused that. FDR promised Stalin that when the war was over Chiang would share power with the Communist Chinese without consulting Chiang. The communist had that deal in the 30's and used it to attack the Nationalist. So, Chaing refused to do it again.

Truman cut the Nationalist off after getting an agreement the Soviets wouldnt supply the Communist Chinese. Stalin lied he skirted the deal by turning over the arms ammunition and equipment the Soviets captured from the Japanese to them. 700000 troops were captured by the Soviets so that was a lot of weapons and ammo.

in 1948 the US got reports that the Nationalist were losing and Truman sent a team to investigate. When it was learned it was true they wanted to start supplying the Nationalists again, but it was too little too late.
 
By December 7, 1941. Pearl Harbor Day, the AVG was operational in Burma. It is fascinating to ponder that this small, mercenary force from America was already engaging Japan – on behalf of The Republic of China – just prior to Pearl Harbor and Roosevelt’s subsequent declaration of war on Japan.

From JoeB131 link he supplied.

Now the P40 was not a civilian airplane. It was designed to use by the Army Air Corps, later the Air Force. Since they belonged to the US Government, only an official of the Administration hand them over to China. FDR did it secretly.
Wrong, the AVG didn't go operational until December 20th 1941.
 
Link? Anyway, the mere fact they were in China to attack the Japanese proves I am correct.
Read any history of the AVG, even Wikki gets it right. Plus, they weren't in China, they were at Rangoon in Burma. The AVG also wasn't there to attack the Japanese, but to defend China.
 
Read any history of the AVG, even Wikki gets it right. Plus, they weren't in China, they were at Rangoon in Burma. The AVG also wasn't there to attack the Japanese, but to defend China.
sorry to nitpick but defending China meant attacking the Japanese.
 

According to these guys the US attacke Japan in ww2​

I can understand that point of view.
According to Gipper and Unkotora Hawaii was not part of the US
It wasn't a state so what does it mean "part of the US"?

You can add to your list that Japan did not submit to an unconditional surrender. The US lied.
It’s the same brain-wash shit:

“Russia made a full scale invasion of Ukraine. Russia made a full scale invasion of Ukraine. Russia made a full scale invasion of Ukraine.“

“Japan surrendered unconditionally. Japan surrendered unconditionally. Japan surrendered unconditionally.”
 
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I can understand that point of view.

It wasn't a state so what does it mean "part of the US"?

You can add to your list that Japan did not submit to an unconditional surrender. The US lied.
A territory of the US is part of the US, the Constitution applies, and the Federal Government has the same responsibilities for a territory as a state.
 
According to Gipper and Unkotora Hawaii was not part of the US and we the US attacked Japan.
It wasn't a state so what does it mean "part of the US"?

A territory of the US is part of the US, the Constitution applies, and the Federal Government has the same responsibilities for a territory as a state.
OK, so we are debating whether or not Hawaii was "part" but we agree that it wasn't the US. There were only 48 stars on that flag.
 
OK, so we are debating whether or not Hawaii was "part" but we agree that it wasn't the US. There were only 48 stars on that flag.
it was part of the US. Once again, a Territory of the US is treated the same as a state. The only difference was back then the Governor was appointed by the Federal Government.
 
it was part of the US. Once again, a Territory of the US is treated the same as a state. The only difference was back then the Governor was appointed by the Federal Government.
You are not denying the fact that Japan did not attack the US at Pearl Harbour so, Gipper and Unkotora were probably right. If I were to punch an American citizen (a civilian) would that constitute an attack on the US or an act of terrorism against the US?
 
Some of these idiots are missing a point they would probably want to accept.
 
By December 7, 1941. Pearl Harbor Day, the AVG was operational in Burma. It is fascinating to ponder that this small, mercenary force from America was already engaging Japan – on behalf of The Republic of China – just prior to Pearl Harbor and Roosevelt’s subsequent declaration of war on Japan.

From JoeB131 link he supplied.

Now the P40 was not a civilian airplane. It was designed to use by the Army Air Corps, later the Air Force. Since they belonged to the US Government, only an official of the Administration hand them over to China. FDR did it secretly.

No, they were handed over under the Lend Lease Act.


China was granted 1.6 BILLION in materials.

Nothing compared to the 31 Billion the UK got, or the 11 Billion the USSR got.
 
No, they were handed over under the Lend Lease Act.


China was granted 1.6 BILLION in materials.

Nothing compared to the 31 Billion the UK got, or the 11 Billion the USSR got.
Again. FDR== American fighter pilots, in China prior to Pearl Harbor, flying American fighters. America is at war with Japan. Japan sees this and decides to pick out Pearl Harbor to end the danger to Japan. Lend lease was for materials of war.

Question for you. What did the Japs say is why they bombed Pearl Harbor?

The timing is correct that when FDR shipped war planes, to China, plus got volunteers to fly to China, they saw his acts as war.
 
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I don’t think China was getting Lend-Lease in 1941
For the history war buffs of WW2, check this out.

 

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