Accidentally overheard some of the democrat debate... REPARATIONS?

[pknopp]

How are reparations actually any different than bail outs?

I’m all for reparations provided that the African families and Business empires that started and benefitted from Western Slave trade pay their fair share.

Businesses great but no, no one ever benefitted by being a slave.

I did not say that. I am saying there are African families that captured and sold slaves. They are the ones that benefitted.

I'm pretty sure we can't force African families to participate any more than Trump can get Mexico to pay for the wall.

Then how can you force my family to pay?

That's the way society works......but if you read what I stated earlier, I said I do not agree with reperations.

Those who.come after should not be held accountable for the sins.of their fathers.

Agree?

 

[Norman]

We are dealing with a special kind of idiot here...

Without bail, what is preventing the people from simply walking out? Bail is not a punishment although I understand that a far leftists would see it that way.

Middle aged white women... these people are barely represented in crime at all, you seem to have a fixation on bringing up irrelevant stuff.

Rob a 7-11 of $86 dollars and off to prison you go. Rob the taxpayers of millions and retire in luxury.

We do not have a blind justice system even though we pretend we do.

Do you really need to demonstrate your ability to not be able to stick to the topic any more?

I am not talking about corruption, but the average street criminal. Why are you constantly trying to mix up issue A with issue B?

It all goes to an unjust criminal system. Just because you don't want to own up to that does not make anything off topic.

That is what the bail argument is addressing. An unfair system. My example was simply one of many.

Your brain is so leftarded that it must be difficult to get out of bed. There is an issue A and it shares this meaningless similarity with this issue B, so now in fact, the issues are the same!

The issue here is that democrats are pro-criminal and thus against the criminal justice system. They see it as racist that more black people go to jail and find no problem what so ever with the black criminals who commit all the crime. So out they go back to streets to commit more crime, mostly in black communities mind you.

A close friend of mine works at the courts downtown. I asked him if he thought that blacks sometimes get a harsher sentence for similar crimes than whites. He said there is no documentation of that, but in his opinion, yes, they do. However the surprising thing is that it's given from black judges. It makes sense too.

If you were a white judge who disliked or hated blacks, the worst thing you could do for the black community is give black offenders easier sentences. They would be released quickly, or not serve anytime at all, and return to the black community to continue doing it harm.

A black judge wants to rid black communities of the people that are destroying it. That judge may very well live in those communities, or have family and friends that do.

They get harsher sentences because they are more often repeat offenders. I believe there is a study that debunks blacks getting similar sentences otherwise.

On the other hand it would not be surprising if blacks did get worse punishments for the same reason men get more severe penalties than women.

 

[Ken Mac]

We are dealing with a special kind of idiot here...

Without bail, what is preventing the people from simply walking out? Bail is not a punishment although I understand that a far leftists would see it that way.

Middle aged white women... these people are barely represented in crime at all, you seem to have a fixation on bringing up irrelevant stuff.

Rob a 7-11 of $86 dollars and off to prison you go. Rob the taxpayers of millions and retire in luxury.

We do not have a blind justice system even though we pretend we do.

Do you really need to demonstrate your ability to not be able to stick to the topic any more?

I am not talking about corruption, but the average street criminal. Why are you constantly trying to mix up issue A with issue B?

It all goes to an unjust criminal system. Just because you don't want to own up to that does not make anything off topic.

That is what the bail argument is addressing. An unfair system. My example was simply one of many.

Your brain is so leftarded that it must be difficult to get out of bed. There is an issue A and it shares this meaningless similarity with this issue B, so now in fact, the issues are the same!

The issue here is that democrats are pro-criminal and thus against the criminal justice system. They see it as racist that more black people go to jail and find no problem what so ever with the black criminals who commit all the crime. So out they go back to streets to commit more crime, mostly in black communities mind you.

How many bankers went to jail? (Not that I expect you to answer)

Reported

 

[Ken Mac]

We are dealing with a special kind of idiot here...

Without bail, what is preventing the people from simply walking out? Bail is not a punishment although I understand that a far leftists would see it that way.

Middle aged white women... these people are barely represented in crime at all, you seem to have a fixation on bringing up irrelevant stuff.

Rob a 7-11 of $86 dollars and off to prison you go. Rob the taxpayers of millions and retire in luxury.

We do not have a blind justice system even though we pretend we do.

Do you really need to demonstrate your ability to not be able to stick to the topic any more?

I am not talking about corruption, but the average street criminal. Why are you constantly trying to mix up issue A with issue B?

It all goes to an unjust criminal system. Just because you don't want to own up to that does not make anything off topic.

That is what the bail argument is addressing. An unfair system. My example was simply one of many.

Your brain is so leftarded that it must be difficult to get out of bed. There is an issue A and it shares this meaningless similarity with this issue B, so now in fact, the issues are the same!

The issue here is that democrats are pro-criminal and thus against the criminal justice system. They see it as racist that more black people go to jail and find no problem what so ever with the black criminals who commit all the crime. So out they go back to streets to commit more crime, mostly in black communities mind you.

How many bankers went to jail? (Not that I expect you to answer)

If you read your posts and see a whataboutism in it. Delete it. That way you just may stay on topic.

 

[pknopp]

I'm trying to figure out why people support some bail outs and not others?

Is it actually all about the color of ones skin?

Reparations are NOT bail outs you idiot.

Are you pursuing a leftist gender studies degree or what has destroyed your thinking process to a degree that you believe we are talking about the same thing?

They are both giving people other people's money. I thought that was wrong.

I thought that was "theft".

No?

I thought this thread was about the democrat debates and reparations... what do you know, you have turned into something completely different.

Reported.

Just because my take on reperations exposes the hypocrisy around government give aways?

Conversation on a subject is only legit when you agree with it?

Reparations are a government give away (which btw I don't support) so I want to know why some are OK and some are not.

That is on topic.

No it's not.

Reported.

Too late. We have moved on.

One should not be held responsible for the sins of their fathers. Do you agree?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Rob a 7-11 of $86 dollars and off to prison you go. Rob the taxpayers of millions and retire in luxury.

We do not have a blind justice system even though we pretend we do.

Do you really need to demonstrate your ability to not be able to stick to the topic any more?

I am not talking about corruption, but the average street criminal. Why are you constantly trying to mix up issue A with issue B?

It all goes to an unjust criminal system. Just because you don't want to own up to that does not make anything off topic.

That is what the bail argument is addressing. An unfair system. My example was simply one of many.

Your brain is so leftarded that it must be difficult to get out of bed. There is an issue A and it shares this meaningless similarity with this issue B, so now in fact, the issues are the same!

The issue here is that democrats are pro-criminal and thus against the criminal justice system. They see it as racist that more black people go to jail and find no problem what so ever with the black criminals who commit all the crime. So out they go back to streets to commit more crime, mostly in black communities mind you.

A close friend of mine works at the courts downtown. I asked him if he thought that blacks sometimes get a harsher sentence for similar crimes than whites. He said there is no documentation of that, but in his opinion, yes, they do. However the surprising thing is that it's given from black judges. It makes sense too.

If you were a white judge who disliked or hated blacks, the worst thing you could do for the black community is give black offenders easier sentences. They would be released quickly, or not serve anytime at all, and return to the black community to continue doing it harm.

A black judge wants to rid black communities of the people that are destroying it. That judge may very well live in those communities, or have family and friends that do.

They get harsher sentences because they are more often repeat offenders. I believe there is a study that debunks blacks getting similar sentences otherwise.

On the other hand it would not be surprising if blacks did get worse punishments for the same reason men get more severe penalties than women.

In a court of law, a judge has the accused record right in front of them.

A white guy gets bused with coke. He has no criminal history, a good job, didn't fight with the cops when arrested, cooperated fully, and is remorseful in court. He gets a suspended sentence.

A black guy with the same charge, has a lengthy criminal history, ran from the police, fought with them while being arrested, and his tough guy attitude, giving the judge or prosecutor dirty looks, shaking his head "no" throughout the trial. He gets 2 years in the slammer.

That to the left is discrimination.

 

[pknopp]

This conversation is getting off course. Please keep it related to the subject of reparations.

Watch.....that won't go any better. (not commenting on your moderation)

My point is that this thread is eight pages long and seven of them are talking about something other than reparations. What started off as a Devil's Advocate retort unintentionally turned into a red herring.

Right. Don't take me wrong. On top fully will not be any better was my point.

I'm guessing people are saying that they shouldn't be punished for the sins of their fathers.

Not asking this directly of you. Just getting on topic

Do I have this correct?

Yes. Do you think you should pay for your father's sins?

I don't. I bet you are not consistent in this belief but when I point out the hypocrisy the answer will be "off topic".

 

[Ken Mac]

Reparations are NOT bail outs you idiot.

Are you pursuing a leftist gender studies degree or what has destroyed your thinking process to a degree that you believe we are talking about the same thing?

They are both giving people other people's money. I thought that was wrong.

I thought that was "theft".

No?

I thought this thread was about the democrat debates and reparations... what do you know, you have turned into something completely different.

Reported.

Just because my take on reperations exposes the hypocrisy around government give aways?

Conversation on a subject is only legit when you agree with it?

Reparations are a government give away (which btw I don't support) so I want to know why some are OK and some are not.

That is on topic.

No it's not.

Reported.

Too late. We have moved on.

One should not be held responsible for the sins of their fathers. Do you agree?

Agree

 

[Ken Mac]

This conversation is getting off course. Please keep it related to the subject of reparations.

Watch.....that won't go any better. (not commenting on your moderation)

My point is that this thread is eight pages long and seven of them are talking about something other than reparations. What started off as a Devil's Advocate retort unintentionally turned into a red herring.

Right. Don't take me wrong. On top fully will not be any better was my point.

I'm guessing people are saying that they shouldn't be punished for the sins of their fathers.

Not asking this directly of you. Just getting on topic

Do I have this correct?

Yes. Do you think you should pay for your father's sins?

I don't. I bet you are not consistent in this belief but when I point out the hypocrisy the answer will be "off topic".

A whataboutism is a logical fallacy. It does not further the debate. It is a red herring of sorts.

Go read up on logical fallacies. Lots of good reading (more than you'll want - trust me)

 

[LeftofLeft]

I’m all for reparations provided that the African families and Business empires that started and benefitted from Western Slave trade pay their fair share.

Businesses great but no, no one ever benefitted by being a slave.

I did not say that. I am saying there are African families that captured and sold slaves. They are the ones that benefitted.

I'm pretty sure we can't force African families to participate any more than Trump can get Mexico to pay for the wall.

Then how can you force my family to pay?

That's the way society works......but if you read what I stated earlier, I said I do not agree with reperations.

Those who.come after should not be held accountable for the sins.of their fathers.

Agree?

I definitely agree about not paying for the sims of the fathers..... especially, father’s who were not mine.

 

[pknopp]

They are both giving people other people's money. I thought that was wrong.

I thought that was "theft".

No?

I thought this thread was about the democrat debates and reparations... what do you know, you have turned into something completely different.

Reported.

Just because my take on reperations exposes the hypocrisy around government give aways?

Conversation on a subject is only legit when you agree with it?

Reparations are a government give away (which btw I don't support) so I want to know why some are OK and some are not.

That is on topic.

No it's not.

Reported.

Too late. We have moved on.

One should not be held responsible for the sins of their fathers. Do you agree?

Agree

Does this apply to all or just to this topic?

 

[pknopp]

Watch.....that won't go any better. (not commenting on your moderation)

My point is that this thread is eight pages long and seven of them are talking about something other than reparations. What started off as a Devil's Advocate retort unintentionally turned into a red herring.

Right. Don't take me wrong. On top fully will not be any better was my point.

I'm guessing people are saying that they shouldn't be punished for the sins of their fathers.

Not asking this directly of you. Just getting on topic

Do I have this correct?

Yes. Do you think you should pay for your father's sins?

I don't. I bet you are not consistent in this belief but when I point out the hypocrisy the answer will be "off topic".

A whataboutism is a logical fallacy. It does not further the debate. It is a red herring of sorts.

Go read up on logical fallacies. Lots of good reading (more than you'll want - trust me)

Paying for the sins of the father is the topic is it not?

 

[pknopp]

Businesses great but no, no one ever benefitted by being a slave.

I did not say that. I am saying there are African families that captured and sold slaves. They are the ones that benefitted.

I'm pretty sure we can't force African families to participate any more than Trump can get Mexico to pay for the wall.

Then how can you force my family to pay?

That's the way society works......but if you read what I stated earlier, I said I do not agree with reperations.

Those who.come after should not be held accountable for the sins.of their fathers.

Agree?

I definitely agree about not paying for the sims of the fathers..... especially, father’s who were not mine.

Does this apply to Hispanics brought here as children by their fathers?

 

[Ken Mac]

I did not say that. I am saying there are African families that captured and sold slaves. They are the ones that benefitted.

I'm pretty sure we can't force African families to participate any more than Trump can get Mexico to pay for the wall.

Then how can you force my family to pay?

That's the way society works......but if you read what I stated earlier, I said I do not agree with reperations.

Those who.come after should not be held accountable for the sins.of their fathers.

Agree?

I definitely agree about not paying for the sims of the fathers..... especially, father’s who were not mine.

Does this apply to Hispanics brought here as children by their fathers?

Dude, I see what you're doing. You think you're clever. Let me tell you, it's obvious. Why don't you just debate the ******* merits of reparations. Start your own ******* thread. You have the right to do so. The OP has been awfully nice to you about your bullshit.

 

[Norman]

Watch.....that won't go any better. (not commenting on your moderation)

My point is that this thread is eight pages long and seven of them are talking about something other than reparations. What started off as a Devil's Advocate retort unintentionally turned into a red herring.

Right. Don't take me wrong. On top fully will not be any better was my point.

I'm guessing people are saying that they shouldn't be punished for the sins of their fathers.

Not asking this directly of you. Just getting on topic

Do I have this correct?

Yes. Do you think you should pay for your father's sins?

I don't. I bet you are not consistent in this belief but when I point out the hypocrisy the answer will be "off topic".

A whataboutism is a logical fallacy. It does not further the debate. It is a red herring of sorts.

Go read up on logical fallacies. Lots of good reading (more than you'll want - trust me)

I did not say that. I am saying there are African families that captured and sold slaves. They are the ones that benefitted.

I'm pretty sure we can't force African families to participate any more than Trump can get Mexico to pay for the wall.

Then how can you force my family to pay?

That's the way society works......but if you read what I stated earlier, I said I do not agree with reperations.

Those who.come after should not be held accountable for the sins.of their fathers.

Agree?

I definitely agree about not paying for the sims of the fathers..... especially, father’s who were not mine.

Does this apply to Hispanics brought here as children by their fathers?

How brave... a other off-topic item after having been already warned...

They don't pay for their father's sins - but their own of being in the country illegally. Dude, you are not smart, stop pretending you are and engage in the discussion honestly.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Businesses great but no, no one ever benefitted by being a slave.

I did not say that. I am saying there are African families that captured and sold slaves. They are the ones that benefitted.

I'm pretty sure we can't force African families to participate any more than Trump can get Mexico to pay for the wall.

Then how can you force my family to pay?

That's the way society works......but if you read what I stated earlier, I said I do not agree with reperations.

Those who.come after should not be held accountable for the sins.of their fathers.

Agree?

I definitely agree about not paying for the sims of the fathers..... especially, father’s who were not mine.

They talk about reparations, but fail to talk about what reparations they want, how much it will cost, and who will be paying for them.

 

[Shawnee_b]

The crazy train just keeps getting crazier. I could have sworn that I heard democrats on the debate stage vouching for reparations trying to out-crazy each other. They have gone full regressive.

What is wrong with these people?

They are democrats, that's what wrong. Cranial rectumitis.

 

[Norman]

I did not say that. I am saying there are African families that captured and sold slaves. They are the ones that benefitted.

I'm pretty sure we can't force African families to participate any more than Trump can get Mexico to pay for the wall.

Then how can you force my family to pay?

That's the way society works......but if you read what I stated earlier, I said I do not agree with reperations.

Those who.come after should not be held accountable for the sins.of their fathers.

Agree?

I definitely agree about not paying for the sims of the fathers..... especially, father’s who were not mine.

They talk about reparations, but fail to talk about what reparations they want, how much it will cost, and who will be paying for them.

How it would it work indeed...

Basically, if you are white, you get the white tax.

And if you are black, you get the black bucks.

That's it I suppose? But what if I identify as black? Or Indian?

 

[pknopp]

I'm pretty sure we can't force African families to participate any more than Trump can get Mexico to pay for the wall.

Then how can you force my family to pay?

That's the way society works......but if you read what I stated earlier, I said I do not agree with reperations.

Those who.come after should not be held accountable for the sins.of their fathers.

Agree?

I definitely agree about not paying for the sims of the fathers..... especially, father’s who were not mine.

Does this apply to Hispanics brought here as children by their fathers?

Dude, I see what you're doing. You think you're clever. Let me tell you, it's obvious. Why don't you just debate the ******* merits of reparations. Start your own ******* thread. You have the right to do so. The OP has been awfully nice to you about your bullshit.

LOL.....so you don't actually believe what you said? Your words only apply to you but not others?

How can one debate something when one participant is being dishonest in their beliefs?

 

[pknopp]

My point is that this thread is eight pages long and seven of them are talking about something other than reparations. What started off as a Devil's Advocate retort unintentionally turned into a red herring.

Right. Don't take me wrong. On top fully will not be any better was my point.

I'm guessing people are saying that they shouldn't be punished for the sins of their fathers.

Not asking this directly of you. Just getting on topic

Do I have this correct?

Yes. Do you think you should pay for your father's sins?

I don't. I bet you are not consistent in this belief but when I point out the hypocrisy the answer will be "off topic".

A whataboutism is a logical fallacy. It does not further the debate. It is a red herring of sorts.

Go read up on logical fallacies. Lots of good reading (more than you'll want - trust me)

I'm pretty sure we can't force African families to participate any more than Trump can get Mexico to pay for the wall.

Then how can you force my family to pay?

That's the way society works......but if you read what I stated earlier, I said I do not agree with reperations.

Those who.come after should not be held accountable for the sins.of their fathers.

Agree?

I definitely agree about not paying for the sims of the fathers..... especially, father’s who were not mine.

Does this apply to Hispanics brought here as children by their fathers?

How brave... a other off-topic item after having been already warned...

They don't pay for their father's sins - but their own of being in the country illegally. Dude, you are not smart, stop pretending you are and engage in the discussion honestly.

A child did nothing wrong.