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The Catholic church is in the process of addressing the sexual abuse of minors by church members.

Papal Group Considers Sanctions On Bishops Who Cover Up Abuse

A commission advising Pope Francis on how to tackle clerical sex abuse of minors has completed its first full meeting at the Vatican. The commission, which has been criticized for its slow start, says it's now drawing up recommended sanctions against bishops who have covered up cases of abuse.
Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston, head of the commission, told reporters it's drafting practical recommendations on making bishops accountable for cover-ups and failure to prevent abuse.

Peter Saunders, who was abused as a child for more than five years by two priests, is a member of the commission. He's aware that by thinking in terms of centuries rather than years, the Catholic Church operates in a different time dimension from the rest of the world. But he urged speedy action, "because when it comes to time, children only get one stab at childhood."

"There have been far too many cover-ups, there have been far too many clergy protected, moved from place to place," Saunders says. "This has got to be consigned to history very, very quickly. And if in a year or two there isn't some firm action on those matters, then I don't think I'll be sitting here talking to you."

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Why has it taken this long to finally address this serious issue? And why aren't more abusers in prison?




 

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The Catholic church is in the process of addressing the sexual abuse of minors by church members.

Papal Group Considers Sanctions On Bishops Who Cover Up Abuse

A commission advising Pope Francis on how to tackle clerical sex abuse of minors has completed its first full meeting at the Vatican. The commission, which has been criticized for its slow start, says it's now drawing up recommended sanctions against bishops who have covered up cases of abuse.
Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston, head of the commission, told reporters it's drafting practical recommendations on making bishops accountable for cover-ups and failure to prevent abuse.

Peter Saunders, who was abused as a child for more than five years by two priests, is a member of the commission. He's aware that by thinking in terms of centuries rather than years, the Catholic Church operates in a different time dimension from the rest of the world. But he urged speedy action, "because when it comes to time, children only get one stab at childhood."

"There have been far too many cover-ups, there have been far too many clergy protected, moved from place to place," Saunders says. "This has got to be consigned to history very, very quickly. And if in a year or two there isn't some firm action on those matters, then I don't think I'll be sitting here talking to you."

Papal Group Considers Sanctions On Bishops Who Cover Up Abuse NPR
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Why has it taken this long to finally address this serious issue? And why aren't more abusers in prison?
1. Because the church needs to set up its own prison program for handling alternatives to the death penalty
and having these priests minister there to the inmates as meaningful restitution

2. the church has been monopolizing the knowledge of exorcism and deliverance that can cure pedophilia and other addictions and abuses, but has not applied it to its own sick priests. This knowledge was not ready to come out because of politics separating church and state and science from religion. But once science proves how spiritual healing works, then both the demands for drug trafficking and sex trafficking/porn/pedophilia can be addressed as a cureable sickness.

people are closer to being ready for this social change
so it is just now coming out for closure and resolution, including plans for restitution
that can change the prison, mental health and medical systems to be based on effective treatment and corrections that work.
 
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The Catholic church is in the process of addressing the sexual abuse of minors by church members.

Papal Group Considers Sanctions On Bishops Who Cover Up Abuse

A commission advising Pope Francis on how to tackle clerical sex abuse of minors has completed its first full meeting at the Vatican. The commission, which has been criticized for its slow start, says it's now drawing up recommended sanctions against bishops who have covered up cases of abuse.
Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston, head of the commission, told reporters it's drafting practical recommendations on making bishops accountable for cover-ups and failure to prevent abuse.

Peter Saunders, who was abused as a child for more than five years by two priests, is a member of the commission. He's aware that by thinking in terms of centuries rather than years, the Catholic Church operates in a different time dimension from the rest of the world. But he urged speedy action, "because when it comes to time, children only get one stab at childhood."

"There have been far too many cover-ups, there have been far too many clergy protected, moved from place to place," Saunders says. "This has got to be consigned to history very, very quickly. And if in a year or two there isn't some firm action on those matters, then I don't think I'll be sitting here talking to you."

Papal Group Considers Sanctions On Bishops Who Cover Up Abuse NPR
________________________________________________________________________________________

Why has it taken this long to finally address this serious issue? And why aren't more abusers in prison?
1. Because the church needs to set up its own prison program for handling alternatives to the death penalty
and having these priests minister there to the inmates as meaningful restitution

2. the church has been monopolizing the knowledge of exorcism and deliverance that can cure pedophilia and other addictions and abuses, but has not applied it to its own sick priests. This knowledge was not ready to come out because of politics separating church and state and science from religion. But once science proves how spiritual healing works, then both the demands for drug trafficking and sex trafficking/porn/pedophilia can be addressed as a cureable sickness.

people are closer to being ready for this social change
so it is just now coming out for closure and resolution, including plans for restitution
that can change the prison, mental health and medical systems to be based on effective treatment and corrections that work.
I still do not understand why they are not held to the same standards as you and I. What makes them so special that they reside in a realm outside of our laws?
 

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The Catholic church is in the process of addressing the sexual abuse of minors by church members.

Papal Group Considers Sanctions On Bishops Who Cover Up Abuse

A commission advising Pope Francis on how to tackle clerical sex abuse of minors has completed its first full meeting at the Vatican. The commission, which has been criticized for its slow start, says it's now drawing up recommended sanctions against bishops who have covered up cases of abuse.
Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston, head of the commission, told reporters it's drafting practical recommendations on making bishops accountable for cover-ups and failure to prevent abuse.

Peter Saunders, who was abused as a child for more than five years by two priests, is a member of the commission. He's aware that by thinking in terms of centuries rather than years, the Catholic Church operates in a different time dimension from the rest of the world. But he urged speedy action, "because when it comes to time, children only get one stab at childhood."

"There have been far too many cover-ups, there have been far too many clergy protected, moved from place to place," Saunders says. "This has got to be consigned to history very, very quickly. And if in a year or two there isn't some firm action on those matters, then I don't think I'll be sitting here talking to you."

Papal Group Considers Sanctions On Bishops Who Cover Up Abuse NPR
________________________________________________________________________________________

Why has it taken this long to finally address this serious issue? And why aren't more abusers in prison?
1. Because the church needs to set up its own prison program for handling alternatives to the death penalty
and having these priests minister there to the inmates as meaningful restitution

2. the church has been monopolizing the knowledge of exorcism and deliverance that can cure pedophilia and other addictions and abuses, but has not applied it to its own sick priests. This knowledge was not ready to come out because of politics separating church and state and science from religion. But once science proves how spiritual healing works, then both the demands for drug trafficking and sex trafficking/porn/pedophilia can be addressed as a cureable sickness.

people are closer to being ready for this social change
so it is just now coming out for closure and resolution, including plans for restitution
that can change the prison, mental health and medical systems to be based on effective treatment and corrections that work.
I still do not understand why they are not held to the same standards as you and I. What makes them so special that they reside in a realm outside of our laws?
They ARE held to the same standards eventually but there must be a consensus in that direction,
not in the direction of covering up. It takes longer to build a consensus to get to the next stage of correcting the problems.

The same as why the historic district I live in has covered up political abuses for years and years. Christian forgiveness was ABUSED to try to correct things directly between the parties with knowledge of the wrongs. So it takes longer to resolve issues when people are keeping them in house.

With cases like Bill Cosby, there wasn't a consensus to bring this out in the open.
The people with grievances suppressed it and didn't agree to come forward.
When everyone was more prepared to come forward, now the information is getting out.

With priests, some of the younger abused children had to recover first and when they
were mature and could handle the implications of coming out with this, then they could pursue it.
So that can take 20 years, and then the debate over statute of limitations has to be challenged and resolved.

It's the same process but dragged out because people weren't ready to face the implications
and finish the process of resolving it. Now we are more prepared so now it is being addressed.

Thanks for following up on this, Sonny Clark
If these cases can be brought out, how many others can now be addressed?

For example, whatever went wrong with Cosby, I hope that gets resolved properly
and not any more selling out to take shortcuts. If the accusers have issues
or if he has issues, they need to resolve them regardless what went wrong there.

So the same knowledge of curing pedophilia and sex addictions/criminal illness
that can come forward with the priests, can apply to these other cases and encourage
people to get help for such sickness instead of hiding it. Hiding it never cured leprosy or AIDS.
it has to come out as a disease and then remove the social stigma and encourage treatment and cure.
 
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The Catholic church is in the process of addressing the sexual abuse of minors by church members.

Papal Group Considers Sanctions On Bishops Who Cover Up Abuse

A commission advising Pope Francis on how to tackle clerical sex abuse of minors has completed its first full meeting at the Vatican. The commission, which has been criticized for its slow start, says it's now drawing up recommended sanctions against bishops who have covered up cases of abuse.
Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston, head of the commission, told reporters it's drafting practical recommendations on making bishops accountable for cover-ups and failure to prevent abuse.

Peter Saunders, who was abused as a child for more than five years by two priests, is a member of the commission. He's aware that by thinking in terms of centuries rather than years, the Catholic Church operates in a different time dimension from the rest of the world. But he urged speedy action, "because when it comes to time, children only get one stab at childhood."

"There have been far too many cover-ups, there have been far too many clergy protected, moved from place to place," Saunders says. "This has got to be consigned to history very, very quickly. And if in a year or two there isn't some firm action on those matters, then I don't think I'll be sitting here talking to you."

Papal Group Considers Sanctions On Bishops Who Cover Up Abuse NPR
________________________________________________________________________________________

Why has it taken this long to finally address this serious issue? And why aren't more abusers in prison?
1. Because the church needs to set up its own prison program for handling alternatives to the death penalty
and having these priests minister there to the inmates as meaningful restitution

2. the church has been monopolizing the knowledge of exorcism and deliverance that can cure pedophilia and other addictions and abuses, but has not applied it to its own sick priests. This knowledge was not ready to come out because of politics separating church and state and science from religion. But once science proves how spiritual healing works, then both the demands for drug trafficking and sex trafficking/porn/pedophilia can be addressed as a cureable sickness.

people are closer to being ready for this social change
so it is just now coming out for closure and resolution, including plans for restitution
that can change the prison, mental health and medical systems to be based on effective treatment and corrections that work.
I still do not understand why they are not held to the same standards as you and I. What makes them so special that they reside in a realm outside of our laws?
They ARE held to the same standards eventually but there must be a consensus in that direction,
not in the direction of covering up. It takes longer to build a consensus to get to the next stage of correcting the problems.

The same as why the historic district I live in has covered up political abuses for years and years. Christian forgiveness was ABUSED to try to correct things directly between the parties with knowledge of the wrongs. So it takes longer to resolve issues when people are keeping them in house.

With cases like Bill Cosby, there wasn't a consensus to bring this out in the open.
The people with grievances suppressed it and didn't agree to come forward.
When everyone was more prepared to come forward, now the information is getting out.

With priests, some of the younger abused children had to recover first and when they
were mature and could handle the implications of coming out with this, then they could pursue it.
So that can take 20 years, and then the debate over statute of limitations has to be challenged and resolved.

It's the same process but dragged out because people weren't ready to face the implications
and finish the process of resolving it. Now we are more prepared so now it is being addressed.

Thanks for following up on this, Sonny Clark
If these cases can be brought out, how many others can now be addressed?

For example, whatever went wrong with Cosby, I hope that gets resolved properly
and not any more selling out to take shortcuts. If the accusers have issues
or if he has issues, they need to resolve them regardless what went wrong there.

So the same knowledge of curing pedophilia and sex addictions/criminal illness
that can come forward with the priests, can apply to these other cases and encourage
people to get help for such sickness instead of hiding it. Hiding it never cured leprosy or AIDS.
it has to come out as a disease and then remove the social stigma and encourage treatment and cure.
I'll reserve further comment until I see how many are tried in a court of law, convicted, and sentenced. When it comes to our laws, double standards create prejudice and a loss of faith in the system. I believe in equal justice for equal crimes. If it were me, I'd be behind bars for life, no parole. I couldn't get away with it. And, Mr. Cosby may end up doing time. It seems that we enforce some laws for some people, and turn our backs to other laws and other people. Social status shouldn't appear in our laws, nor in our court rooms. The same holds true for titles and religious beliefs. A law is a law, a crime is a crime, and justice is treating all the same.
 

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