Abstinence 'is not realistic,' Palin's daughter says

[Anguille]

Nor is dilation and evacuation recommended as a form of temporary birth control, for instance.

It's no different than the pill in that a woman can ovulate the month immediately following the use of either.

vasectomy and tubal ligation are more similar in their results and the effect on the body than are birth control and abortion.

 

[Ravi]

And here it is folks...the reason this country is going down the shitter.

people like Jillian actually believe that living with the consequences of your actions is punishment.

After all there should be absolutely no repercussions for any behavior whatsoever. No one is responsible for anything because actually holding someone accountable is tantamount to cruel and unusual punishment.

Pathetic.

PS the little praying emoticon was wrongly used as i am an atheist. One does not need god to see that holding people accountable for their actions is a good thing and not punishment.

If a woman is pregnant whatever she does is dealing with the consequences of her behavior.

I'm still aghast that you didn't think having a vasectomy was any of your wife's business.

It was none of her business. I told her i was doing it and that she had absolutely no say in the matter. I didn't want any more children.

And again, if she wanted, she could have not told me she was pregnant and had an abortion and i would never have been notified. Would you be aghast at that? it happens a lot more than a guy getting a vasectomy without his wife's knowledge.

Of course. While I agree that it was your decision to make, I disagree that it was none of her business. Not much point in being married.

 

[Anguille]

If a woman is pregnant whatever she does is dealing with the consequences of her behavior.

I'm still aghast that you didn't think having a vasectomy was any of your wife's business.

It was none of her business. I told her i was doing it and that she had absolutely no say in the matter. I didn't want any more children.

And again, if she wanted, she could have not told me she was pregnant and had an abortion and i would never have been notified. Would you be aghast at that? it happens a lot more than a guy getting a vasectomy without his wife's knowledge.

Of course. While I agree that it was your decision to make, I disagree that it was none of her business. Not much point in being married.

Marriage is for procreation only? Or are you saying marriage is no good if the partners aren't open with each other?

I wonder if Skull has the facts to back up his statement that women have abortions without the knowledge of their husbands more often than men have vasectomies without the knowledge of their wives.
I wonder if the main reason a woman might do that is because she's pregnant by another man. Or a man might do that to hold onto a wife who wants kids, when he doesn't want them himself.

 

[Ravi]

It was none of her business. I told her i was doing it and that she had absolutely no say in the matter. I didn't want any more children.

And again, if she wanted, she could have not told me she was pregnant and had an abortion and i would never have been notified. Would you be aghast at that? it happens a lot more than a guy getting a vasectomy without his wife's knowledge.

Of course. While I agree that it was your decision to make, I disagree that it was none of her business. Not much point in being married.

Marriage is for procreation only? Or are you saying marriage is no good if the partners aren't open with each other?

I wonder if Skull has the facts to back up his statement that women have abortions without the knowledge of their husbands more often than men have vasectomies without the knowledge of their wives.
I wonder if the main reason a woman might do that is because she's pregnant by another man. Or a man might do that to hold onto a wife who wants kids, when he doesn't want them himself.

That one.

 

[dilloduck]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day and so is jillian in this case. Only she's not saying children are punishment, you are.

from your previous post:

"Maybe if we let these young adults have to live with the consequences of their actions, you know no free abortions, no safe haven laws, etc.

If you get pregnant, YOU pay for your own ******* mistake. Then I'll bet you teen pregnancy rates will fall faster than the stock market ."

What an perfectly asinine statement!! What do we tell these kids as they get older? "The reason you were born was to teach your misbehaving teen mother about sex education? Now go live with that and be sure to make the mother who didn't want you in the first place miserable. That's your job. And another thing, do what she did and we'll punish you the same way."

You think living with the consequences of your actions is punishment?

thank you for proving my point.

And who cares what "these kids" are told when they get older? When you boil it down the "reason" any of us were, are or will be born is because two people had intercourse.

And please tell me where I said a child was a punishment. What I said was:

If you get pregnant, YOU pay for your own ******* mistake. Then I'll bet you teen pregnancy rates will fall faster than the stock market

How in your mind does that equal saying a child is punishment?

Not in my mind, but apparently in yours. "******* mistake". Is that what you would name your kid?

Don't use that name---I already call my marriage that.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day and so is jillian in this case. Only she's not saying children are punishment, you are.

from your previous post:

"Maybe if we let these young adults have to live with the consequences of their actions, you know no free abortions, no safe haven laws, etc.

If you get pregnant, YOU pay for your own ******* mistake. Then I'll bet you teen pregnancy rates will fall faster than the stock market ."

What an perfectly asinine statement!! What do we tell these kids as they get older? "The reason you were born was to teach your misbehaving teen mother about sex education? Now go live with that and be sure to make the mother who didn't want you in the first place miserable. That's your job. And another thing, do what she did and we'll punish you the same way."

You think living with the consequences of your actions is punishment?

thank you for proving my point.

And who cares what "these kids" are told when they get older? When you boil it down the "reason" any of us were, are or will be born is because two people had intercourse.

And please tell me where I said a child was a punishment. What I said was:

If you get pregnant, YOU pay for your own ******* mistake. Then I'll bet you teen pregnancy rates will fall faster than the stock market

How in your mind does that equal saying a child is punishment?

Not in my mind, but apparently in yours. "******* mistake". Is that what you would name your kid?

So one cannot become pregnant via a mistake? I never said the child was a mistake.

Let me use small words so you understand.

If a young man or woman find themselves in a situation where an unplanned pregnancy occurs, a mistake if you will, they should be held 100% responsible for the consequences of their actions.

that means if abortion is their choice, they and they alone pay for it.

That means if they choose to give the resulting offspring up for adoption, they pay for 100% of the care until the adoption is final.

Is that so hard to understand?

 

[Anguille]

So one cannot become pregnant via a mistake? I never said the child was a mistake.

Let me use small words so you understand.

If a young man or woman find themselves in a situation where an unplanned pregnancy occurs, a mistake if you will, they should be held 100% responsible for the consequences of their actions.

that means if abortion is their choice, they and they alone pay for it.

That means if they choose to give the resulting offspring up for adoption, they pay for 100% of the care until the adoption is final.

Is that so hard to understand?

Repeating for the second time, your own words:

"Maybe if we let these young adults have to live with the consequences of their actions, you know no free abortions, no safe haven laws, etc.

If you get pregnant, YOU pay for your own ******* mistake. Then I'll bet you teen pregnancy rates will fall faster than the stock market ."

That punishes the babies. Are those words and are innocent babies small enough for you?

 

[Andrew2382]

No... it doesn't turn me on... I don't think... er... maybe.

I was going to do this between just us but since you bring it up and I don't give a ****...

I have made out with a few girls and a few times did um... a little more.

I like the way girls kiss and touch me. But I don't know it's just wrong. I don't know why but I feel so dirty for even doing it beside enjoying it. I was hoping we would talk about it and you could tell me why you think it's ok and I could make some sense of it and rationalize it so I didn't feel the way I do. More than just making out I like boys better. I like the power and strength of a man, I don't know hpow to describe it, it just mke sme breathless. But therewas something about the gentleness of girls that I can't get out of my mind. I don't think it's natural or right and it makes me feel a little sick at the same time but I wish boys could be... I dunno just more like girls with me at first.

I like the way boys smell. Girls semms I don't know artificial to me, cos maybe I know the work they put in but I know how boys are they just ARE so it's like all so real.

I dunno does any of this make sense? It doen't to me.

Lesbian stories are usually dismissed around here unless you provide some pics.

Dismiss away, I wish it hadn't happened.

why?

I say you try it again and video tape it and send it to me...that way I will give you my professional opinion on what you should do.

 

[dilloduck]

So one cannot become pregnant via a mistake? I never said the child was a mistake.

Let me use small words so you understand.

If a young man or woman find themselves in a situation where an unplanned pregnancy occurs, a mistake if you will, they should be held 100% responsible for the consequences of their actions.

that means if abortion is their choice, they and they alone pay for it.

That means if they choose to give the resulting offspring up for adoption, they pay for 100% of the care until the adoption is final.

Is that so hard to understand?

Repeating for the second time, your own words:

"Maybe if we let these young adults have to live with the consequences of their actions, you know no free abortions, no safe haven laws, etc.

If you get pregnant, YOU pay for your own ******* mistake. Then I'll bet you teen pregnancy rates will fall faster than the stock market ."

That punishes the babies. Are those words and are innocent babies small enough for you?

being allowed to live is punishment ?

 

[Skull Pilot]

So one cannot become pregnant via a mistake? I never said the child was a mistake.

Let me use small words so you understand.

If a young man or woman find themselves in a situation where an unplanned pregnancy occurs, a mistake if you will, they should be held 100% responsible for the consequences of their actions.

that means if abortion is their choice, they and they alone pay for it.

That means if they choose to give the resulting offspring up for adoption, they pay for 100% of the care until the adoption is final.

Is that so hard to understand?

Repeating for the second time, your own words:

"Maybe if we let these young adults have to live with the consequences of their actions, you know no free abortions, no safe haven laws, etc.

If you get pregnant, YOU pay for your own ******* mistake. Then I'll bet you teen pregnancy rates will fall faster than the stock market ."

That punishes the babies. Are those words and are innocent babies small enough for you?

So the parents of an innocent little baby taking responsibility for giving birth to that innocent little baby is bad for the innocent little baby?

PUH-LEASE

 

[Anguille]

So one cannot become pregnant via a mistake? I never said the child was a mistake.

Let me use small words so you understand.

If a young man or woman find themselves in a situation where an unplanned pregnancy occurs, a mistake if you will, they should be held 100% responsible for the consequences of their actions.

that means if abortion is their choice, they and they alone pay for it.

That means if they choose to give the resulting offspring up for adoption, they pay for 100% of the care until the adoption is final.

Is that so hard to understand?

Repeating for the second time, your own words:

"Maybe if we let these young adults have to live with the consequences of their actions, you know no free abortions, no safe haven laws, etc.

If you get pregnant, YOU pay for your own ******* mistake. Then I'll bet you teen pregnancy rates will fall faster than the stock market ."

That punishes the babies. Are those words and are innocent babies small enough for you?

being allowed to live is punishment ?

How does being forced to live in poverty and in the complete control of a mother who did not want you equate to being allowed to live? Do you think those are conditions which promote life?

 

[Anguille]

So one cannot become pregnant via a mistake? I never said the child was a mistake.

Let me use small words so you understand.

If a young man or woman find themselves in a situation where an unplanned pregnancy occurs, a mistake if you will, they should be held 100% responsible for the consequences of their actions.

that means if abortion is their choice, they and they alone pay for it.

That means if they choose to give the resulting offspring up for adoption, they pay for 100% of the care until the adoption is final.

Is that so hard to understand?

Repeating for the second time, your own words:

"Maybe if we let these young adults have to live with the consequences of their actions, you know no free abortions, no safe haven laws, etc.

If you get pregnant, YOU pay for your own ******* mistake. Then I'll bet you teen pregnancy rates will fall faster than the stock market ."

That punishes the babies. Are those words and are innocent babies small enough for you?

So the parents of an innocent little baby taking responsibility for giving birth to that innocent little baby is bad for the innocent little baby?

PUH-LEASE

When the responsibility is forced and shoved off onto them it's very bad for the baby. Ever hear of child abuse and infanticide?

 

[dilloduck]

Repeating for the second time, your own words:

"Maybe if we let these young adults have to live with the consequences of their actions, you know no free abortions, no safe haven laws, etc.

If you get pregnant, YOU pay for your own ******* mistake. Then I'll bet you teen pregnancy rates will fall faster than the stock market ."

That punishes the babies. Are those words and are innocent babies small enough for you?

being allowed to live is punishment ?

How does being forced to live in poverty and in the complete control of a mother who did not want you equate to being allowed to live? Do you think those are conditions which promote life?

sorry--poverty does not equal a shitty life in my book.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Repeating for the second time, your own words:

"Maybe if we let these young adults have to live with the consequences of their actions, you know no free abortions, no safe haven laws, etc.

If you get pregnant, YOU pay for your own ******* mistake. Then I'll bet you teen pregnancy rates will fall faster than the stock market ."

That punishes the babies. Are those words and are innocent babies small enough for you?

being allowed to live is punishment ?

How does being forced to live in poverty and in the complete control of a mother who did not want you equate to being allowed to live? Do you think those are conditions which promote life?

Then if people know they have to live with their mistakes, don't you think they will make greater efforts to ensure mistakes don't happen?

If people have to live with the consequences of their actions, don't you think that maybe, just maybe they will act more responsibly?

You are absolving people from responsibility for their actions and that does no one, even "innocent little babies" any favors.

 

[dilloduck]

being allowed to live is punishment ?

How does being forced to live in poverty and in the complete control of a mother who did not want you equate to being allowed to live? Do you think those are conditions which promote life?

Then if people know they have to live with their mistakes, don't you think they will make greater efforts to ensure mistakes don't happen?

If people have to live with the consequences of their actions, don't you think that maybe, just maybe they will act more responsibly?

You are absolving people from responsibility for their actions and that does no one, even "innocent little babies" any favors.

other than to exempt women from the consequences of their sexual behavior.

 

[Anguille]

being allowed to live is punishment ?

How does being forced to live in poverty and in the complete control of a mother who did not want you equate to being allowed to live? Do you think those are conditions which promote life?

sorry--poverty does not equal a shitty life in my book.

Low income is one thing, poverty is another. Poverty need not equal a shitty life but it can equal a short one if you don't have basic medical care and it certainly puts people at risk for starvation.

 

[Ravi]

Women are never exempted from the consequences of their sexual behavior. No matter what the outcome.

 

[Skull Pilot]

How does being forced to live in poverty and in the complete control of a mother who did not want you equate to being allowed to live? Do you think those are conditions which promote life?

sorry--poverty does not equal a shitty life in my book.

Low income is one thing, poverty is another. Poverty need not equal a shitty life but it can equal a short one if you don't have basic medical care and it certainly puts people at risk for starvation.

Did you miss the part where giving up a child for adoption is an option.

I am just calling for the parents of said child to pay for any and all care of that child until it is adopted. Therefore no safe haven laws where a child can simply be abandoned with no consequences.

 

[catzmeow]

Talk about victimology.

I work with the research on risk factors every day. It would be intellectually retarded for me to fail to recognize that being a single parent puts my children more at risk. Does it make me fee uncomfortable and sad at times? Of course it does. On theo ther hand, it also reinforces the fact that I have to be EVEN MORE committed to the wellbeing of my children than the average family. I have to work harder to compensate for that so that my children get the best upbringing I can provide. That is a simple fact of my life, and I am not whining about it, I am doing what I need to do to be a good parent.

Realizing that actions have consequences and working to address those consequences is the OPPOSITE of being a permanent victim.

Sorry that you lack the intellectual and emotional capacity for more than pithy passive aggressive one-liners.

 

[catzmeow]

It's no different than the pill in that a woman can ovulate the month immediately following the use of either.

vasectomy and tubal ligation are more similar in their results and the effect on the body than are birth control and abortion.

Actually, you are wrong. Abortion can have longterm impacts on fertility, including creating a greater risk of tubal pregnancy through scarring at the fallopian tubes. Abortion is SURGERY, with all of the risks that surgery entails. It is not a cosmetic procedure like having a mole removed from your ass.