Abstinence 'is not realistic,' Palin's daughter says

You're just jealous, Allie. The boys are drooling over Amanda's boobs and tripping over themselves to get in line for a date. So what? Let them.
 
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I had read recently, that girls that have Fathers that are close with them in their preteen years,(puberty) and fathers that tell them like it is with near every boy out there, they want to get in her pants and will try every trick in the book to do so, and most importantly Fathers that tell their daughters that saying NO to this is a good thing, and shows the boys ''who'' really is in control of her own body...will NOT make boys run away from her....not the decent ones, that they will probably even desire her more by her saying NO....

turn out to be girls or women with great self esteem, and girls that resist sex with anyone, but wait....

this thing i was reading says the mom telling them all that stuff is not as affective.

What a shame. Did Anne Coulter write it?

I think if your daughter respects you, she will respect your opinion. Also, if she respects herself, there is less sex with boys just to validate your self worth.


So, is it true what they say?

Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder?


Your ignorance is showing. Obviously you've never worked with women and girls who have absent or loser fathers.
 
I find it laughable that you guys are ready to shit yourself over the pearls of wisdom dropping from the lips of an 18 year old.

What buffoonery.

Hey, be nice! The only advice I gave was to drink water to avoid a hangover and it works, so why are you busting on me?
 
I had read recently, that girls that have Fathers that are close with them in their preteen years,(puberty) and fathers that tell them like it is with near every boy out there, they want to get in her pants and will try every trick in the book to do so, and most importantly Fathers that tell their daughters that saying NO to this is a good thing, and shows the boys ''who'' really is in control of her own body...will NOT make boys run away from her....not the decent ones, that they will probably even desire her more by her saying NO....

turn out to be girls or women with great self esteem, and girls that resist sex with anyone, but wait....

this thing i was reading says the mom telling them all that stuff is not as affective.

What a shame. Did Anne Coulter write it?

I think if your daughter respects you, she will respect your opinion. Also, if she respects herself, there is less sex with boys just to validate your self worth.


So, is it true what they say?

Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder?

It wasn't anne coulter, i will see if I can find it...

and



Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder,

Until the girl, can wait no longer...
:eek:


Old school saying....I know! :lol:

and as far as the study, it was regarding 2 parent hetero sexual marriages with girls.

A one parent family, where the girl and the mom become closer and bond well, could have the same effect?

Care
 
Your moralism is showing, Allie. Are you the thought police?
 
okay robert follow me here...a man owns his sperm till he does what? ...say it with me...gives it to a woman...then she owns the sperm and can use it....moral of this little tale...keep your hands and sperm to yourself....condoms work great for this

men must take responsiblity for where they spread their sperm....i love how men pretend to be all weak...i couldnt resist blah blah blah...well think about 18 yrs plus of childsupport when you engage in unprotected sex

This is exactly why i tell my son to never never never trust a woman, not even if he's married, with birth control.

And the kicker of this whole argument is that a woman can have an abortion, or abandon a child under safe haven laws and there is absolutely no stigma attached.

But a man who doesn't want the child is forced to pay and pay and if he doesn't want to be "actively involved" in raising said child, he is labeled as a deadbeat, a bad person, a man of poor character while the woman is lionized and praised even if she lied to him about being on the pill.

So men, never trust a woman with birth control.

This brings up another issue that bugs the shit out of me.

A woman can walk into an abortion clinic and terminate a pregnancy and she is never asked, "What does the father think about you aborting his child?"

But when I was 26, I went to a urologist to have a vasectomy and the nurse asked me, "What does your wife think about you getting a vasectomy?"

To which I answered "I don't care what she thinks about it."

the doctor tried to tell me that my wife (now my ex) had to be involved and actually sign some of the paperwork. Needless to say I told the doctor that I would do no such thing, that I and I alone was in charge of any and all of my own medical decisions.

Yet another double standard when it comes to reproduction.

Number 1) I do think a woman should at least discuss abortion with the father (married or not) before killing the kid.

Number 2) I think a married man should at least discuss a vasectomy with his wife before getting one.

Number 3) I think a woman should at least discuss a tubal with her husband before getting one.


I don't like a double standard either. Make a law that the father gets custody 50% of the time and watch the illegitimacy rate plummet like a rock.
 
My sympathies. I'd hyperventilate or die in the midwest. I like the mountains or the coasts.

I won't even visit KC.

I've visited a few places. Stayed the whole summer in California once. I like the midwest best. Especially in the country, it's so peaceful. The ocean is ok, but I didn't think it smelled very good and the whole thing is so commercialized. It costs millions of dollars to live close to it. If you don't live right there you have to pay to park then walk to it. And when you turn around and look behind you there's a bunch of houses. Just felt like nature wasn't free there.

As for KC, it's just a city. I don't think there's anything especially wonderful about, but it doesn't suck either. We have really good BBQ and there are a lot of things to do. But if I had a good opportunity I might move... it would just be scary to not be within driving distance on my parents.
 
I had read recently, that girls that have Fathers that are close with them in their preteen years,(puberty) and fathers that tell them like it is with near every boy out there, they want to get in her pants and will try every trick in the book to do so, and most importantly Fathers that tell their daughters that saying NO to this is a good thing, and shows the boys ''who'' really is in control of her own body...will NOT make boys run away from her....not the decent ones, that they will probably even desire her more by her saying NO....

turn out to be girls or women with great self esteem, and girls that resist sex with anyone, but wait....

this thing i was reading says the mom telling them all that stuff is not as affective.

What a shame. Did Anne Coulter write it?

I think if your daughter respects you, she will respect your opinion. Also, if she respects herself, there is less sex with boys just to validate your self worth.


So, is it true what they say?

Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder?


Your ignorance is showing. Obviously you've never worked with women and girls who have absent or loser fathers.

Thank you Allie, how sweet of you to say that!

No, I am just raising a daughter whose father has choosen not to be in her life since she was 2, so I think I DO know what I'm talking about.

Yes, boys and girls need a father and a mother, but sometimes life doesn't work out that way. Do you know any single parents Allie?
 
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I find it laughable that you guys are ready to shit yourself over the pearls of wisdom dropping from the lips of an 18 year old.

What buffoonery.

Hey, be nice! The only advice I gave was to drink water to avoid a hangover and it works, so why are you busting on me?
"busting" :lol:

Cuz she's a boob?
 
What a shame. Did Anne Coulter write it?

I think if your daughter respects you, she will respect your opinion. Also, if she respects herself, there is less sex with boys just to validate your self worth.


So, is it true what they say?

Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder?


Your ignorance is showing. Obviously you've never worked with women and girls who have absent or loser fathers.

Thank you Allie, how sweet of you to say that!

No, I am just raising a daughter whose father has choosen not to be in her life since she was 2, so I think I DO know what I'm talking about.

Yes, boys and girls need a father and a mother, but sometimes life doesn't work out that way. Do you know any single parents Allie?
I think Allie is one of those that believe single parents only raise rapists and criminals. :eusa_whistle:
 
What a shame. Did Anne Coulter write it?

I think if your daughter respects you, she will respect your opinion. Also, if she respects herself, there is less sex with boys just to validate your self worth.


So, is it true what they say?

Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder?


Your ignorance is showing. Obviously you've never worked with women and girls who have absent or loser fathers.

Thank you Allie, how sweet of you to say that!

No, I am just raising a daughter whose father has choosen not to be in her life since she was 2, so I think I DO know what I'm talking about.

Yes, boys and girls need a father and a mother, but sometimes life doesn't work out that way. Do you know any single parents Allie?
Isn't Allie a single mom too?

One parent can do the work of two. Sometimes better.
 
Also, the main point, of my comment was to ghook, who has a daughter....and other men that have daughters and are involved in their daughter's rearing....it is important that you do not leave this all up to the mother if you think this is just a girl on girl thing....it is NOT, is what I was reading.

I was raised very traditionally, where when my sister and i reached the age of puberty, my dad, backed away and all our "female issues" were all done with mom.... that ain't so good, is what I had read...if the daughter sees the dad not involved and reinforcing what mom says, but from a man's point of view....the girl may not trust what mom is telling her, completely.... something like that....
 
look bottom line,if you want to abstain from sex....just get married....before long....its like the monastery....:lol:

Don't be such a cynic Harry. :tongue:

Amanda,i dont know anything about this guy your talking about,but i do know one thing....its his loss.....there plenty of good guys :eusa_whistle: out there waiting for someone like you to come along....or girls whatever....:razz:
 
I think Allie is one of those that believe single parents only raise rapists and criminals. :eusa_whistle:

Several people on this board worship at that fountain, I call it the fountain of Ann Coulter. :razz:
 
My sympathies. I'd hyperventilate or die in the midwest. I like the mountains or the coasts.

I won't even visit KC.

I've visited a few places. Stayed the whole summer in California once. I like the midwest best. Especially in the country, it's so peaceful. The ocean is ok, but I didn't think it smelled very good and the whole thing is so commercialized. It costs millions of dollars to live close to it. If you don't live right there you have to pay to park then walk to it. And when you turn around and look behind you there's a bunch of houses. Just felt like nature wasn't free there.

As for KC, it's just a city. I don't think there's anything especially wonderful about, but it doesn't suck either. We have really good BBQ and there are a lot of things to do. But if I had a good opportunity I might move... it would just be scary to not be within driving distance on my parents.

When I was your age I couldn't get far enough away from them, LOL. Whew--hoo Emancipation.

I don't like midwestern culture.
 
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It is so so true! Look at the highschool students that practiced abstinence when you were in highschool? They usually didn't do it by choice! I lost my big V in my senior year! I didn't wait Fresh, Soph or Jr because of choice! I did it because of lack of partner.

I think we should teach girls and boys (separately) that its best to wait and tell them the horrors of teenage pregnancy. I truly believe we as adults need to be honest with ourselves. Teens are probably not going to listen to calls for abstinence and it is ignorant to believe they will. What they should do is preach safe sex and have a place in school for where they can get free condoms anonymously. Also a girl should feel safe with approaching the school nurse with her conversations held private about birth control pills (the school should make it know that her identity and conservation will be private and confidential, nor will the school nurse judge or try to persuade her, rather she will only help her). I also go back and forth on the abortion pill, but in the end the social liberal comes out in me and I think its should also be provided anonymously. I remember my first dozen or so times were unprotected. Because (1) I was too afraid for some reason to buy condoms at the store and (2) my catholic girlfriend at the time was way to scared to tell her parents she needed birth control. It wasn't until they caught us bare naked and all (great memory for the memory banks) that she got on the pill!

Now if there was a safe place in school where I could have got condoms without anyone knowing, I probably would have. Same with my girlfriend and the pill!

Look I have a daughter (very young one) and it pains me to think that she might be tempted in highschool. I honestly pray that she stays pure until she gets married in her late 20s (after college). But I am a realist. Trust me I am going to preach abstinence big time and that all teenage boys are dogs, but I will have my wife (I don't think I can have those conversations with her) about safe sex! Realism is better than fanatism. OK I official grossed myself out and scared the hell out of myself!

Way back in highschool, some idiot girl tried to tell me that if you were 18 and still a virgin, you were "over the hill". I asked her "Who says that?" She tried to tell me everyone does. I said "I don't say that, do you say that?" When challenged she said "No" and agree with me that it was a stupid saying.

I was a virgin until after college, by CHOICE. I chose to save myself for the man I was going to marry. When I started college, my mother and both my sisters offered to help me get birth control pills. I agree with the safe sex lecture, I just think it should be honest. Condoms are not 100% and 1/3 of all new aids patients got aids while using condoms. I think it's important that your daughter know that and that it's more important for her to KNOW her partner before having sex with him. These one night stands they have on tv are for the stupid and they really should show the after affects..pregnancies and stds.
 
who cares what a 17 year old girl has to say?

humans have been ******* and having kids sine the dawn of time. SO WHAT!

Maybe if we let these young adults have to live with the consequences of their actions, you know no free abortions, no safe haven laws, etc.

If you get pregnant, YOU pay for your own ******* mistake. Then I'll bet you teen pregnancy rates will fall faster than the stock market.

Only if you make sure the boys involved get their share of the consequences. That is the primary reason we have abortion, guys that won't man up and take responsibility.

And then you have the guys that want the baby and the woman still aborts. Face it, in this case, women have all the rights, guys have none. If she has the baby, he's forced to pay child support even if he didn't want the baby. She can abort the baby even if he does want the baby. Nope, it's not fair. Women are the only ones who can decide legally not to be a parent AFTER conception.

My biggest gripe is that the deciding factor on whether it's a baby or a fetus is strictly at the mother's choosing.


Your right the mans choice is at the time of conception and deciding to take the risk knowing possible consequences.
 
I got pregnant while using a condom.
My best friend and my sister in law got pregnant while on the pill.
 
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