Abraham? Really?

[Indeependent]

He had a concubine. Actually two if you count hagar. Although some scholars have said they were the same person.
He married his sister
He was subordinate to his sister wife
Made an illegitimate child and kicked him out
Lied to his son that he was going to kill him
He was obviously mentally ill. With some incest and sins in there.
My point is, how did this crazy person become the patriarch of Judaism, Christianity and Islam?
Apparently, despite all of these moral flaws and repugnant behavior, he was still chosen by god for loyalty. This "moral" God was able to look past all of his sins because he was willing to kill his child? WTF
And people say atheists have no morals? Lol

he eventually married the other concubine, three of their six kids illegitimate

that would put three of them ahead of Ishmael. They were all sent away to form their own tribes

Since when was a shifcha charusa illegitimate?

? شفاعة شَفاعة

with keturah?

Keturah was Hagar and neither name was their actual name, they were descriptions of her character during her younger and older years.
She was the daughter of pharoah.
Hagar means "the stranger" because she was out of her element living with Avraham and Sarah; that's also why Yishmael was a bit of a wild person.
Keturah was when she became older and wiser and was like sweet smelling incense.

Now what exactly makes her a whore?

Two separate people from two different times. Abraham married Keturah after Hagar was already dead. Did you forget, or did you never read, Jubilees?

Midrash, Rashi...same person.
Where's your source that Hagar died?

 

[aris2chat]

he eventually married the other concubine, three of their six kids illegitimate

that would put three of them ahead of Ishmael. They were all sent away to form their own tribes

Since when was a shifcha charusa illegitimate?

? شفاعة شَفاعة

with keturah?

Keturah was Hagar and neither name was their actual name, they were descriptions of her character during her younger and older years.
She was the daughter of pharoah.
Hagar means "the stranger" because she was out of her element living with Avraham and Sarah; that's also why Yishmael was a bit of a wild person.
Keturah was when she became older and wiser and was like sweet smelling incense.

Now what exactly makes her a whore?

Two separate people from two different times. Abraham married Keturah after Hagar was already dead. Did you forget, or did you never read, Jubilees?

Midrash, Rashi...same person.
Where's your source that Hagar died?

>>Did you forget, or did you never read, Jubilees?<<

 

[Indeependent]

Since when was a shifcha charusa illegitimate?

? شفاعة شَفاعة

with keturah?

Keturah was Hagar and neither name was their actual name, they were descriptions of her character during her younger and older years.
She was the daughter of pharoah.
Hagar means "the stranger" because she was out of her element living with Avraham and Sarah; that's also why Yishmael was a bit of a wild person.
Keturah was when she became older and wiser and was like sweet smelling incense.

Now what exactly makes her a whore?

Two separate people from two different times. Abraham married Keturah after Hagar was already dead. Did you forget, or did you never read, Jubilees?

Midrash, Rashi...same person.
Where's your source that Hagar died?

>>Did you forget, or did you never read, Jubilees?<<

As an Observant Jew I haven't a clue as to what Jubilees is.

 

[aris2chat]

? شفاعة شَفاعة

with keturah?

Keturah was Hagar and neither name was their actual name, they were descriptions of her character during her younger and older years.
She was the daughter of pharoah.
Hagar means "the stranger" because she was out of her element living with Avraham and Sarah; that's also why Yishmael was a bit of a wild person.
Keturah was when she became older and wiser and was like sweet smelling incense.

Now what exactly makes her a whore?

Two separate people from two different times. Abraham married Keturah after Hagar was already dead. Did you forget, or did you never read, Jubilees?

Midrash, Rashi...same person.
Where's your source that Hagar died?

>>Did you forget, or did you never read, Jubilees?<<

As an Observant Jew I haven't a clue as to what Jubilees is.

>>Book of Jubilees
The Book of Jubilees, sometimes called Lesser Genesis, is an ancient Jewish religious work of 50 chapters, considered canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church as well as Beta Israel, where it is known as the Book of Division. Wikipedia<<

 

[Indeependent]

Keturah was Hagar and neither name was their actual name, they were descriptions of her character during her younger and older years.
She was the daughter of pharoah.
Hagar means "the stranger" because she was out of her element living with Avraham and Sarah; that's also why Yishmael was a bit of a wild person.
Keturah was when she became older and wiser and was like sweet smelling incense.

Now what exactly makes her a whore?

Two separate people from two different times. Abraham married Keturah after Hagar was already dead. Did you forget, or did you never read, Jubilees?

Midrash, Rashi...same person.
Where's your source that Hagar died?

>>Did you forget, or did you never read, Jubilees?<<

As an Observant Jew I haven't a clue as to what Jubilees is.

>>Book of Jubilees
The Book of Jubilees, sometimes called Lesser Genesis, is an ancient Jewish religious work of 50 chapters, considered canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church as well as Beta Israel, where it is known as the Book of Division. Wikipedia<<

Which is completely irrelevant to those who follow the Cannon of the Anshei Knesset (2nd Temple Sanhedrin).
Orthodox Jews follow the Talmud and authoritative Midrashic commentaries.

 

[aris2chat]

Two separate people from two different times. Abraham married Keturah after Hagar was already dead. Did you forget, or did you never read, Jubilees?

Midrash, Rashi...same person.
Where's your source that Hagar died?

>>Did you forget, or did you never read, Jubilees?<<

As an Observant Jew I haven't a clue as to what Jubilees is.

>>Book of Jubilees
The Book of Jubilees, sometimes called Lesser Genesis, is an ancient Jewish religious work of 50 chapters, considered canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church as well as Beta Israel, where it is known as the Book of Division. Wikipedia<<

Which is completely irrelevant to those who follow the Cannon of the Anshei Knesset (2nd Temple Sanhedrin).
Orthodox Jews follow the Talmud and authoritative Midrashic commentaries.

since you walk through life in a tunnel, why does it matter if they are one people or two?

 

[Indeependent]

Midrash, Rashi...same person.
Where's your source that Hagar died?

>>Did you forget, or did you never read, Jubilees?<<

As an Observant Jew I haven't a clue as to what Jubilees is.

>>Book of Jubilees
The Book of Jubilees, sometimes called Lesser Genesis, is an ancient Jewish religious work of 50 chapters, considered canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church as well as Beta Israel, where it is known as the Book of Division. Wikipedia<<

Which is completely irrelevant to those who follow the Cannon of the Anshei Knesset (2nd Temple Sanhedrin).
Orthodox Jews follow the Talmud and authoritative Midrashic commentaries.

since you walk through life in a tunnel, why does it matter if they are one people or two?

Consider the ramification of an Egyptian Princess who raises a child who grows up in the house of the father of Judaism.
The boy is out of control.
The impact of expulsion has one effect on the Egyptian Princess and a difference effect on the son.
Yishmael, though, is buried and the Torah refers to him as the son of Avraham, which indicates that Yismael did improve as he aged.
The Midrash and Talmud state that Avraham would visit Yishmael on occasion to make sure he had a good wife.
Hagar became so refined that Yitzchak brought her back to Avraham and the Torah refers to her as a sweet smelling perfume.

 

[Bonzi]

He had a concubine. Actually two if you count hagar. Although some scholars have said they were the same person.
He married his sister
He was subordinate to his sister wife
Made an illegitimate child and kicked him out
Lied to his son that he was going to kill him
He was obviously mentally ill. With some incest and sins in there.
My point is, how did this crazy person become the patriarch of Judaism, Christianity and Islam?
Apparently, despite all of these moral flaws and repugnant behavior, he was still chosen by god for loyalty. This "moral" God was able to look past all of his sins because he was willing to kill his child? WTF
And people say atheists have no morals? Lol

Simple. If you believe in God, he sets the standard. If not, you do. Not complex

 

[Penelope]

Here is a question for you guys :
If Abraham had so many sins, why would God forgive him and not Sodom? Just because of his loyalty?
Hek, didnt he send Abraham to judge Sodom for him? Something about "find 10 good people"
Maybe that was someone else?

Two angels were sent and stayed at Lots. The men said to Lot, send the men out so we may have our way with them,

but poor Lot said no, you can have my daughters instead and the angels blinded the men of the town when they tried to enter the house.

Lot left with his 2 daughters and wife but the wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt.

The two daughters got their Dad drunk and had sex with him and got pg. This was Abrahams nephew.

God then sent fire down on S/G and all were destroyed. (Nice story hey)

 

[irosie91]

Here is a question for you guys :
If Abraham had so many sins, why would God forgive him and not Sodom? Just because of his loyalty?
Hek, didnt he send Abraham to judge Sodom for him? Something about "find 10 good people"
Maybe that was someone else?

Two angels were sent and stayed at Lots. The men said to Lot, send the men out so we may have our way with them,

but poor Lot said no, you can have my daughters instead and the angels blinded the men of the town when they tried to enter the house.

Lot left with his 2 daughters and wife but the wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt.

The two daughters got their Dad drunk and had sex with him and got pg. This was Abrahams nephew.

God then sent fire down on S/G and all were destroyed. (Nice story hey)

as stories go-----it is an interesting bit of literature------did you pass high school literature
class, Penny dear? When I was a kid in Junior High School and HIgh School----
ENGLISH CLASS was actually-----for people like me, LITERATURE AND COMPOSITION
class--------we already knew how to do basic reading and writing. It was the time of
the COLD WAR------there were different classes for different kinds of minds in my somewhat
progressive public school. After you learn how to read and write, penny dear---THEN you
get into LITERATURE and learn how to appreciate it. Maybe someday you will graduate
into basic geometry. THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

 

[Indeependent]

Here is a question for you guys :
If Abraham had so many sins, why would God forgive him and not Sodom? Just because of his loyalty?
Hek, didnt he send Abraham to judge Sodom for him? Something about "find 10 good people"
Maybe that was someone else?

Two angels were sent and stayed at Lots. The men said to Lot, send the men out so we may have our way with them,

but poor Lot said no, you can have my daughters instead and the angels blinded the men of the town when they tried to enter the house.

Lot left with his 2 daughters and wife but the wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt.

The two daughters got their Dad drunk and had sex with him and got pg. This was Abrahams nephew.

God then sent fire down on S/G and all were destroyed. (Nice story hey)

as stories go-----it is an interesting bit of literature------did you pass high school literature
class, Penny dear? When I was a kid in Junior High School and HIgh School----
ENGLISH CLASS was actually-----for people like me, LITERATURE AND COMPOSITION
class--------we already knew how to do basic reading and writing. It was the time of
the COLD WAR------there were different classes for different kinds of minds in my somewhat
progressive public school. After you learn how to read and write, penny dear---THEN you
get into LITERATURE and learn how to appreciate it. Maybe someday you will graduate
into basic geometry. THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

You are actually conversing with Feh-Nah-Low-Pee?

 

[irosie91]

Here is a question for you guys :
If Abraham had so many sins, why would God forgive him and not Sodom? Just because of his loyalty?
Hek, didnt he send Abraham to judge Sodom for him? Something about "find 10 good people"
Maybe that was someone else?

Two angels were sent and stayed at Lots. The men said to Lot, send the men out so we may have our way with them,

but poor Lot said no, you can have my daughters instead and the angels blinded the men of the town when they tried to enter the house.

Lot left with his 2 daughters and wife but the wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt.

The two daughters got their Dad drunk and had sex with him and got pg. This was Abrahams nephew.

God then sent fire down on S/G and all were destroyed. (Nice story hey)

as stories go-----it is an interesting bit of literature------did you pass high school literature
class, Penny dear? When I was a kid in Junior High School and HIgh School----
ENGLISH CLASS was actually-----for people like me, LITERATURE AND COMPOSITION
class--------we already knew how to do basic reading and writing. It was the time of
the COLD WAR------there were different classes for different kinds of minds in my somewhat
progressive public school. After you learn how to read and write, penny dear---THEN you
get into LITERATURE and learn how to appreciate it. Maybe someday you will graduate
into basic geometry. THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

Here is a question for you guys :
If Abraham had so many sins, why would God forgive him and not Sodom? Just because of his loyalty?
Hek, didnt he send Abraham to judge Sodom for him? Something about "find 10 good people"
Maybe that was someone else?

Two angels were sent and stayed at Lots. The men said to Lot, send the men out so we may have our way with them,

but poor Lot said no, you can have my daughters instead and the angels blinded the men of the town when they tried to enter the house.

Lot left with his 2 daughters and wife but the wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt.

The two daughters got their Dad drunk and had sex with him and got pg. This was Abrahams nephew.

God then sent fire down on S/G and all were destroyed. (Nice story hey)

as stories go-----it is an interesting bit of literature------did you pass high school literature
class, Penny dear? When I was a kid in Junior High School and HIgh School----
ENGLISH CLASS was actually-----for people like me, LITERATURE AND COMPOSITION
class--------we already knew how to do basic reading and writing. It was the time of
the COLD WAR------there were different classes for different kinds of minds in my somewhat
progressive public school. After you learn how to read and write, penny dear---THEN you
get into LITERATURE and learn how to appreciate it. Maybe someday you will graduate
into basic geometry. THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

You are actually conversing with Feh-Nah-Low-Pee?

I am doing the best I can. Torah midaber b'lashon Ha------whatever-it-is

 

[Indeependent]

Here is a question for you guys :
If Abraham had so many sins, why would God forgive him and not Sodom? Just because of his loyalty?
Hek, didnt he send Abraham to judge Sodom for him? Something about "find 10 good people"
Maybe that was someone else?

Two angels were sent and stayed at Lots. The men said to Lot, send the men out so we may have our way with them,

but poor Lot said no, you can have my daughters instead and the angels blinded the men of the town when they tried to enter the house.

Lot left with his 2 daughters and wife but the wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt.

The two daughters got their Dad drunk and had sex with him and got pg. This was Abrahams nephew.

God then sent fire down on S/G and all were destroyed. (Nice story hey)

as stories go-----it is an interesting bit of literature------did you pass high school literature
class, Penny dear? When I was a kid in Junior High School and HIgh School----
ENGLISH CLASS was actually-----for people like me, LITERATURE AND COMPOSITION
class--------we already knew how to do basic reading and writing. It was the time of
the COLD WAR------there were different classes for different kinds of minds in my somewhat
progressive public school. After you learn how to read and write, penny dear---THEN you
get into LITERATURE and learn how to appreciate it. Maybe someday you will graduate
into basic geometry. THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

Here is a question for you guys :
If Abraham had so many sins, why would God forgive him and not Sodom? Just because of his loyalty?
Hek, didnt he send Abraham to judge Sodom for him? Something about "find 10 good people"
Maybe that was someone else?

Two angels were sent and stayed at Lots. The men said to Lot, send the men out so we may have our way with them,

but poor Lot said no, you can have my daughters instead and the angels blinded the men of the town when they tried to enter the house.

Lot left with his 2 daughters and wife but the wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt.

The two daughters got their Dad drunk and had sex with him and got pg. This was Abrahams nephew.

God then sent fire down on S/G and all were destroyed. (Nice story hey)

as stories go-----it is an interesting bit of literature------did you pass high school literature
class, Penny dear? When I was a kid in Junior High School and HIgh School----
ENGLISH CLASS was actually-----for people like me, LITERATURE AND COMPOSITION
class--------we already knew how to do basic reading and writing. It was the time of
the COLD WAR------there were different classes for different kinds of minds in my somewhat
progressive public school. After you learn how to read and write, penny dear---THEN you
get into LITERATURE and learn how to appreciate it. Maybe someday you will graduate
into basic geometry. THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

You are actually conversing with Feh-Nah-Low-Pee?

I am doing the best I can. Torah midaber b'lashon Ha------whatever-it-is

Nobody can relate to a Moshiach that is picture perfect.
Only a neshamah that understands the downtrodden can reach out to everyone.

 

[irosie91]

Here is a question for you guys :
If Abraham had so many sins, why would God forgive him and not Sodom? Just because of his loyalty?
Hek, didnt he send Abraham to judge Sodom for him? Something about "find 10 good people"
Maybe that was someone else?

Two angels were sent and stayed at Lots. The men said to Lot, send the men out so we may have our way with them,

but poor Lot said no, you can have my daughters instead and the angels blinded the men of the town when they tried to enter the house.

Lot left with his 2 daughters and wife but the wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt.

The two daughters got their Dad drunk and had sex with him and got pg. This was Abrahams nephew.

God then sent fire down on S/G and all were destroyed. (Nice story hey)

as stories go-----it is an interesting bit of literature------did you pass high school literature
class, Penny dear? When I was a kid in Junior High School and HIgh School----
ENGLISH CLASS was actually-----for people like me, LITERATURE AND COMPOSITION
class--------we already knew how to do basic reading and writing. It was the time of
the COLD WAR------there were different classes for different kinds of minds in my somewhat
progressive public school. After you learn how to read and write, penny dear---THEN you
get into LITERATURE and learn how to appreciate it. Maybe someday you will graduate
into basic geometry. THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

Here is a question for you guys :
If Abraham had so many sins, why would God forgive him and not Sodom? Just because of his loyalty?
Hek, didnt he send Abraham to judge Sodom for him? Something about "find 10 good people"
Maybe that was someone else?

Two angels were sent and stayed at Lots. The men said to Lot, send the men out so we may have our way with them,

but poor Lot said no, you can have my daughters instead and the angels blinded the men of the town when they tried to enter the house.

Lot left with his 2 daughters and wife but the wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt.

The two daughters got their Dad drunk and had sex with him and got pg. This was Abrahams nephew.

God then sent fire down on S/G and all were destroyed. (Nice story hey)

as stories go-----it is an interesting bit of literature------did you pass high school literature
class, Penny dear? When I was a kid in Junior High School and HIgh School----
ENGLISH CLASS was actually-----for people like me, LITERATURE AND COMPOSITION
class--------we already knew how to do basic reading and writing. It was the time of
the COLD WAR------there were different classes for different kinds of minds in my somewhat
progressive public school. After you learn how to read and write, penny dear---THEN you
get into LITERATURE and learn how to appreciate it. Maybe someday you will graduate
into basic geometry. THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

You are actually conversing with Feh-Nah-Low-Pee?

I am doing the best I can. Torah midaber b'lashon Ha------whatever-it-is

Nobody can relate to a Moshiach that is picture perfect.
Only a neshamah that understands the downtrodden can reach out to everyone.

good point------better >>>>the troubled neshamah can relate to the troubled neshamah

 

[Indeependent]

Here is a question for you guys :
If Abraham had so many sins, why would God forgive him and not Sodom? Just because of his loyalty?
Hek, didnt he send Abraham to judge Sodom for him? Something about "find 10 good people"
Maybe that was someone else?

Two angels were sent and stayed at Lots. The men said to Lot, send the men out so we may have our way with them,

but poor Lot said no, you can have my daughters instead and the angels blinded the men of the town when they tried to enter the house.

Lot left with his 2 daughters and wife but the wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt.

The two daughters got their Dad drunk and had sex with him and got pg. This was Abrahams nephew.

God then sent fire down on S/G and all were destroyed. (Nice story hey)

as stories go-----it is an interesting bit of literature------did you pass high school literature
class, Penny dear? When I was a kid in Junior High School and HIgh School----
ENGLISH CLASS was actually-----for people like me, LITERATURE AND COMPOSITION
class--------we already knew how to do basic reading and writing. It was the time of
the COLD WAR------there were different classes for different kinds of minds in my somewhat
progressive public school. After you learn how to read and write, penny dear---THEN you
get into LITERATURE and learn how to appreciate it. Maybe someday you will graduate
into basic geometry. THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

Two angels were sent and stayed at Lots. The men said to Lot, send the men out so we may have our way with them,

but poor Lot said no, you can have my daughters instead and the angels blinded the men of the town when they tried to enter the house.

Lot left with his 2 daughters and wife but the wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt.

The two daughters got their Dad drunk and had sex with him and got pg. This was Abrahams nephew.

God then sent fire down on S/G and all were destroyed. (Nice story hey)

as stories go-----it is an interesting bit of literature------did you pass high school literature
class, Penny dear? When I was a kid in Junior High School and HIgh School----
ENGLISH CLASS was actually-----for people like me, LITERATURE AND COMPOSITION
class--------we already knew how to do basic reading and writing. It was the time of
the COLD WAR------there were different classes for different kinds of minds in my somewhat
progressive public school. After you learn how to read and write, penny dear---THEN you
get into LITERATURE and learn how to appreciate it. Maybe someday you will graduate
into basic geometry. THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

You are actually conversing with Feh-Nah-Low-Pee?

I am doing the best I can. Torah midaber b'lashon Ha------whatever-it-is

Nobody can relate to a Moshiach that is picture perfect.
Only a neshamah that understands the downtrodden can reach out to everyone.

good point------better >>>>the troubled neshamah can relate to the troubled neshamah

It is important to understand that every other religion is dominated by "Saints".
God did not create angels to facilitate the advancement of the universe.
Angels "stand", humans "advance".

 

[CMike]

Abraham was known for his great compassion. When the three angels appeared, even though Abraham was feeling horrible from the circumcision he rushed to greet them and washed their feet.

Sarah also baked food herself for the guests, even though she had a lot of servants.

 

[irosie91]

Two angels were sent and stayed at Lots. The men said to Lot, send the men out so we may have our way with them,

but poor Lot said no, you can have my daughters instead and the angels blinded the men of the town when they tried to enter the house.

Lot left with his 2 daughters and wife but the wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt.

The two daughters got their Dad drunk and had sex with him and got pg. This was Abrahams nephew.

God then sent fire down on S/G and all were destroyed. (Nice story hey)

as stories go-----it is an interesting bit of literature------did you pass high school literature
class, Penny dear? When I was a kid in Junior High School and HIgh School----
ENGLISH CLASS was actually-----for people like me, LITERATURE AND COMPOSITION
class--------we already knew how to do basic reading and writing. It was the time of
the COLD WAR------there were different classes for different kinds of minds in my somewhat
progressive public school. After you learn how to read and write, penny dear---THEN you
get into LITERATURE and learn how to appreciate it. Maybe someday you will graduate
into basic geometry. THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

as stories go-----it is an interesting bit of literature------did you pass high school literature
class, Penny dear? When I was a kid in Junior High School and HIgh School----
ENGLISH CLASS was actually-----for people like me, LITERATURE AND COMPOSITION
class--------we already knew how to do basic reading and writing. It was the time of
the COLD WAR------there were different classes for different kinds of minds in my somewhat
progressive public school. After you learn how to read and write, penny dear---THEN you
get into LITERATURE and learn how to appreciate it. Maybe someday you will graduate
into basic geometry. THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

You are actually conversing with Feh-Nah-Low-Pee?

I am doing the best I can. Torah midaber b'lashon Ha------whatever-it-is

Nobody can relate to a Moshiach that is picture perfect.
Only a neshamah that understands the downtrodden can reach out to everyone.

good point------better >>>>the troubled neshamah can relate to the troubled neshamah

It is important to understand that every other religion is dominated by "Saints".
God did not create angels to facilitate the advancement of the universe.
Angels "stand", humans "advance".

I do not believe that is true of EVERY religion-----Hinduism is a kind of exception --sorta

 

[Indeependent]

as stories go-----it is an interesting bit of literature------did you pass high school literature
class, Penny dear? When I was a kid in Junior High School and HIgh School----
ENGLISH CLASS was actually-----for people like me, LITERATURE AND COMPOSITION
class--------we already knew how to do basic reading and writing. It was the time of
the COLD WAR------there were different classes for different kinds of minds in my somewhat
progressive public school. After you learn how to read and write, penny dear---THEN you
get into LITERATURE and learn how to appreciate it. Maybe someday you will graduate
into basic geometry. THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

You are actually conversing with Feh-Nah-Low-Pee?

I am doing the best I can. Torah midaber b'lashon Ha------whatever-it-is

Nobody can relate to a Moshiach that is picture perfect.
Only a neshamah that understands the downtrodden can reach out to everyone.

good point------better >>>>the troubled neshamah can relate to the troubled neshamah

It is important to understand that every other religion is dominated by "Saints".
God did not create angels to facilitate the advancement of the universe.
Angels "stand", humans "advance".

I do not believe that is true of EVERY religion-----Hinduism is a kind of exception --sorta

1,000 castes.

 

[CMike]

He had a concubine. Actually two if you count hagar. Although some scholars have said they were the same person.
He married his sister
He was subordinate to his sister wife
Made an illegitimate child and kicked him out
Lied to his son that he was going to kill him
He was obviously mentally ill. With some incest and sins in there.
My point is, how did this crazy person become the patriarch of Judaism, Christianity and Islam?
Apparently, despite all of these moral flaws and repugnant behavior, he was still chosen by god for loyalty. This "moral" God was able to look past all of his sins because he was willing to kill his child? WTF
And people say atheists have no morals? Lol

Actually it was his half sister. He was allowed to have a concubine in those days. In fact his wife Sarah suggested it so the can have a baby. G-D told him to kill his son as a test.

Aside from this I'm sure he did make mistakes. All humans make mistakes.

How was he subordinate to his sister's wife?

No lol. I meant his wife that was his sister. She told him to get rid of her and his illigitimate son and thats what he did.

Half sister. He asked G-D what to do and G-D told him in this case to let Sarah handle it.

The problem with Hager, is because she had Abraham's baby she got really arrogant and disrespectful to Sarah.

 

[irosie91]

I am doing the best I can. Torah midaber b'lashon Ha------whatever-it-is

Nobody can relate to a Moshiach that is picture perfect.
Only a neshamah that understands the downtrodden can reach out to everyone.

good point------better >>>>the troubled neshamah can relate to the troubled neshamah

It is important to understand that every other religion is dominated by "Saints".
God did not create angels to facilitate the advancement of the universe.
Angels "stand", humans "advance".

I do not believe that is true of EVERY religion-----Hinduism is a kind of exception --sorta

1,000 castes.

different issue. -----caste is an EFFORT to bring order to the UNIVERSE------
it has not worked out well. Lots of hindus are working on the deficits of
the "system". Even the "gods" do stuff in that "ordered universe"