About those poll questions in universal background checks…..

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yes, you do. You won't admit it, but you do.

Prove it.

 

[Jarlaxle]

You scream and yell about red flag laws; the ONLY purpose of those is to legally SWAT gun owners.

I might be wrong. You might not want gun confiscation, you may prefer to have gun owners murdered.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

How do red flag laws affect law abiding gun owners?

Your argumentative techniques demonstrate your cognitive deficiency.

 

[2aguy]

How do red flag laws affect law abiding gun owners?

Your argumentative techniques demonstrate your cognitive deficiency.

Anyone can target you, and you have your guns confiscated without due process.....and have to pay a lawyer to get them back.

As John Lott points out, we don't need Red Flag laws...we already have involuntary committment laws that allow people to be committed if they are adjudicated to be a threat to themselves or others...

First of all, the bedrock of America’s legal system is all citizens' guarantee to “due process” before the government infringes on any of their legal rights. Red flag laws around the country skirt or even trample due process. Targets of the proposed gun confiscation orders are often unaware that such orders have been issued, or even petitioned. Defendants often are unable to appear at a hearing or cross-examine witnesses.
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econd, once granted the power to confiscate firearms from citizens neither charged of a crime nor diagnosed with mental health problems, what is to stop government officials from abusing that power?
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Finally, a study of an Indiana law allowing police to seize firearms from people they considered dangerous found outcomes closely correlated to defendants' presence at the hearing. This is concerning. It suggests that the upshot of red flag laws may be to disarm not dangerous people, but simply the less privileged — those who cannot afford to take off work or who lack the means to hire good lawyers.

Red flag laws to fight mass shootings? Fine for an ideal world, but we don't live in one.

Abuse of power is inevitable if the government can confiscate firearms from citizens who aren't charged with crimes or diagnosed with mental illness.

www.usatoday.com

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The bedrock of our legal citizen is to protect our people. No right is absolute when people are being threatened or worse.

Your free speech or gun rights are not absolute when you threaten or act in some way to lead a rational person and the authorities to believe that you are a risk to others.

These are good laws.

 

[2aguy]

The bedrock of our legal citizen is to protect our people. No right is absolute when people are being threatened or worse.

Your free speech or gun rights are not absolute when you threaten or act in some way to lead a rational person and the authorities to believe that you are a risk to others.

These are good laws.

No, they do not include due process.....the bedrock of our legal system.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The bedrock of our legal citizen is to protect our people. No right is absolute when people are being threatened or worse.

Your free speech or gun rights are not absolute when you threaten or act in some way to lead a rational person and the authorities to believe that you are a risk to others.

These are good laws.

They do include the right to use due process to retrieve your guns. If you act in such a way that the law as applied determines that you have forfeited your gun rights, then the law has been met. Your denial is moot, it does not matter because it is false.

 

[2aguy]

They do include the right to use due process to retrieve your guns. If you act in such a way that the law as applied determines that you have forfeited your gun rights, then the law has been met. Your denial is moot, it does not matter because it is false.

Not till after they have violated your Right....that isn't the way our system works.....you don't even get to know about the Red Flag until the police are banging on your door....

You are a fascist

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

That is the way our system works as passed by legislatures. That you disagree is immaterial. It is nothing.

 

[2aguy]

That is the way our system works as passed by legislatures. That you disagree is immaterial. It is nothing.

Yes....and when the democrats passed jim crow laws, poll taxes and literacy tests to keep blacks from voting, those racist, democrat party laws were passed by legislatures too.....

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

... and later rescinded.

The red flag laws are constitutional, legal, moral, and ethical. Your arguments are not.

 

[2aguy]

... and later rescinded.

The red flag laws are constitutional, legal, moral, and ethical. Your arguments are not.

No, they are not....they inflict a sentence without even allowing the victim a chance to legal defense...then require them to pay a fine in lawyers fees to get their Rights back.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yes, red flag laws are constitutional, legal, moral, and ethical. That you disagree is meaningless.

 

[M14 Shooter]

How do red flag laws affect law abiding gun owners?

Easy.
You do not have to break a law to have your guns removed under a red flag order.

Never mind that taking someone guns does negate the danger they face to themselves or others; if someone is too dangerous to have a gun, he should be taken into custody - as such, they do little to nothing to protect anyone,

And then, of course, there's the Bruen test. Red flag laws cannot pass it.
Further, under Bruen, the right to keep and bear arms is no longer subject to means-end tests, negating any "public safety" argument.
This means red flag laws violate the constitution.

Thus:
Red flag laws are just another unconstitutional way to take guns away from the law abiding that do little or nothing to increase public safety; those who support red flag laws support taking guns from those who have broken no laws.

That you disagree is meaningless.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They do include the right to use due process to retrieve your guns.

If a person's gun are taken w/o due process, the constitution has been violated.

If you act in such a way that the law as applied determines that you have forfeited your gun rights,

This requires the involvement of a court, for this requires due process, and only a court can make such a determination.

Your denial does not matter, because it is false.