About Those J6 “People”

[Robert W]

At noon, Trump began an over one-hour speech at the Ellipse, encouraging protesters to march to the U.S. Capitol.

So far you are accurate. What was the bit about alleged pipe bomb, worth posting over given it was a lot
later they were deemed pipe bombs?

 

[Marener]

So far you are accurate. What was the bit about alleged pipe bomb, worth posting over given it was a lot
later they were deemed pipe bombs?

Just a copy paste from the wiki page, not important but didn’t need to be edited out as long as you can be rational.

The point here is that the violence came from Trump supporters and the police were defending themselves and the Capitol.

This video shows it in excellent detail.

 

[Political-Junkie]

There's something wrong with your timeline there buddyView attachment 1269925

There's nothing wrong with the timeline. The time comes from Ryan Samsel indictment.

At approximately 12:53 p.m., Samsel opened a section of the first metal bike rack barricade, which demarcated the restricted area, at the sidewalk next to the road at the Peace Circle. Undeterred by uniformed police officers, “Area Closed” signs, and physical barricades, Samsel defiantly tore down the fencing at the curb and walked onto the restricted grounds and toward the officers on the Pennsylvania Avenue Walkway, marking the very first breach of the restricted perimeter on January 6. Grant followed closely behind Samsel, excitedly jumping up and down and waving the crowd towards the second barrier on the Pennsylvania Avenue Walkway. Hundreds of protesters followed Samsel’s and Grant’s lead, stepping past the first barricade and walking towards the second barricade.

 

[Alweysrite!]

Here's proof that website is wrong. Here's proof the crowd busted their way past a police barricade to get onto Capitol grounds at 12:53 (maybe 12:54 till they got on the grounds because the video is more than a minute long).

I see some pretty violent policeman there for no reason . Don't see a time stamp on that. Regardless the police sent Munitions into a peaceful crowd.

They weren't peaceful. They were already violent.

These poorly trained policemen certainly had a hand in the violence as well as all of the FBI that were there to incite. There's plenty of blame to go around to everyone. It was a bad day and certainly could have all been handled differently by everyone. Too bad Congress is so dishonest.

 

[Political-Junkie]

First ordered at 106 so now you're admitting Munitions before any violence happened?

First ordered while that crowd was fighting with police to get past the barricades.

And the violence started at 12:53 as you've been shown.

 

[Alweysrite!]

Just a copy paste from the wiki page, not important but didn’t need to be edited out as long as you can be rational.

The point here is that the violence came from Trump supporters and the police were defending themselves and the Capitol.

This video shows it in excellent detail.

The violence started at 12:53. You’ve seen the video, why do you keep lying?

That was way out on the perimeter. The crowd was assembling peacefully on the lawn in front of the white house where they wanted to be and had every right to be. Then the Munitions began stirring up the crowd.

 

[Alweysrite!]

First ordered while that crowd was fighting with police to get past the barricades.

At 1:06?

 

[Marener]

I see some pretty violent policeman there for no reason

The Trump supporters picked up the barrier and shoved in into the police and knocked them over.

The police were standing there minding their own business until the Trump supporters became violent.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Where was the protest at ?

It started at and around the Ellipse, then headed to the Capitol.

 

[Political-Junkie]

The one that was totally wrong? LOL can you say In-comp-eh-tent?

What's funny is you're admitting you have no idea what he read. By the way, even if it was wrong, he didn't know, so either way, he was going by intelligence reports, not by Nancy Pelosi.

 

[Marener]

That was way out on the perimeter. The crowd was assembling peacefully on the lawn in front of the white house where they wanted to be and had every right to be. Then the Munitions began stirring up the crowd.

So many problems.

One, the video proves Trump supporters started being violent.

Two, the violent Trump supporters wanted to go into the Capitol, not stand on the lawn.

Three, they had no right to be there.

Four, the rioters were not peaceful but still fighting with the police when the munitions were deployed.

 

[Political-Junkie]

106 Munitions were ordered to begin on the peaceful crowd. Do you disagree with that?

Of course I disagree. Marener showed you video of thst crowd fighting with police when the signal for munitions was given. Why do you ignore the visual evidence that proves you wrong.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Which is not necessarily A Bad Thing since Trump is an America first type of guy and a true patriot.

Maybe not a bad thing, but backs my claim that Trump rewards people who fight for him. Hence his pardon to 1/6ers, including cop beaters.

 

[Political-Junkie]

I am surprised you need to ask others.

While I am not surprised he's refusing to answer.

 

[Alweysrite!]

The Trump supporters picked up the barrier and shoved in into the police and knocked them over.

The police were standing there minding their own business until the Trump supporters became violent.

The police were fighting them when they tried to move the barrier. That one cop ran down there and started throwing punches.

Maybe not a bad thing, but backs my claim that Trump rewards people who fight for him. Hence his pardon to 1/6ers, including cop beaters.

Those people thought they were fighting for our democracy. A lot of them were unfairly imprisoned for long periods of time. Most of them already punished for a good period of time. I'm glad they got a pardon

 

[Alweysrite!]

Of course I disagree. Marener showed you video of thst crowd fighting with police when the signal for munitions was given. Why do you ignore the visual evidence that proves you wrong.

There was no timestamp on the video. No reason to send flashbangs into the crowd and shoot them with rubber bullets other than just nastiness

 

[Marener]

The police were fighting them when they tried to move the barrier. That one cop ran down there and started throwing punches.

You don’t get to move the barrier. They violently shoved and injured the cops doing so.

Punching back is self defense.

Those people thought they were fighting for our democracy. A lot of them were unfairly imprisoned for long periods of time. Most of them already punished for a good period of time. I'm glad they got a pardon

That doesn’t justify their violent and illegal behavior. They were imprisoned for committing crime.

 

[Political-Junkie]

I see some pretty violent policeman there for no reason . Don't see a time stamp on that. Regardless the police sent Munitions into a peaceful crowd.

These poorly trained policemen certainly had a hand in the violence as well as all of the FBI that were there to incite. There's plenty of blame to go around to everyone. It was a bad day and certainly could have all been handled differently by everyone. Too bad Congress is so dishonest.

For no reason? They were trying to hold their barricade in place when Trump supporters grabbed them. Seems like reason to me. And the time came from the indictment.

 

[Robert W]

While I am not surprised he's refusing to answer.

Why did you need to ask him?

 

[Political-Junkie]

That was way out on the perimeter. The crowd was assembling peacefully on the lawn in front of the white house where they wanted to be and had every right to be. Then the Munitions began stirring up the crowd.

Yes, at the perimeter at 12:53, then on the west side grounds at 12:59.