About Those J6 “People”

[Alweysrite!]

Not true. That crowd was there unlawfully. Police were allowed to use their tools to disperse them. That wasn't a green light for protesters to assault police. Assaulting police is a crime. The difference in Lafayette Square is that those protesters were there legally.

No they were told to disperse and were being extremely violent at Lafayette Park. In contrast, the police were lobbing munitions into the Jan 6 peaceful crowd until later on at around 4:00 or 5:00 they became violent. You could say that the police helped cause the violence at jan6 by attacking the crowd. The Lafayette Park protesters were violent and destructive from the get go.
Violence was initiated by protestors and necessitated police action

• Protesters in Lafayette Park were not peaceful; they were organized and attempted to destroy the Andrew Jackson statue and deface an Episcopal Church.
  Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News a...
• The decision to clear Lafayette Park was made in advance due to severe rioting and injuries to over 100 law enforcement officers in the preceding days, not for a presidential photo op.
  The Ben Shapiro Show
• The Inspector General's report found that the decision to clear the park was made hours before any potential presidential photo op to install anti-scale fencing, and that there was violence from protesters leading up to the event.
  Mark Levin Podcast
  + 1
• The U.S. Park Police stated that many protesters became very violent, throwing

 

[Alweysrite!]

I still haven't seen where Irving blamed Pelosi for not wanting NG.

Wasn't Pelosi Irving's boss?

 

[Political-Junkie]

Debatable. Video evidence of portable fences being dropped prior to moving to the outside of the capitol by unknown parties.

They were ordered to leave by USSS.

They were there legally. At some point that day they were instructed to leave. Some did, most didn't. Hours later, police used dispersing tools to clear the rest out. An investigation determined their commands to leave were not adequate enough in inform all of the protesters. Several civil rights suits were filed and settlements were reached to rectify the issues identified that day.

 

[Delldude]

They were there legally. At some point that day they were instructed to leave. Some did, most didn't. Hours later, police used dispersing tools to clear the rest out. An investigation determined their commands to leave were not adequate enough in inform all of the protesters. Several civil rights suits were filed and settlements were reached to rectify the issues identified that day.

Meh USSS secured the park. They played games and were dealt with.

 

[Robert W]

No matter how many times you post that, it still won't say Turmp offered 10,000 NG to Pelosi.

That article says Trump offered 10,000 NG on 1/5. It also says Sund's request for NG was rejected on 1/3.

See if you can explain how Pelosi denied Trump's offer of 10,000 NG that he did make until 2 days later?

Why do you say Pelolsi was involved. As I recall, somebody in the police of the Capitol said she would not approve.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Right, you didn't care about the files until you thought you could use them to get Trump. That means you're a hypocrite

It's like you're not reading what I'm writing. What I actually said was i didn't care about the files for 54 months of Trump's presidency, but that changed in July of last year when Bondi lied, saying there was nothing more to release after she said 5 months earlier that phase II would be released.

 

[Political-Junkie]

The Sergeant at Arms reported directly to Pelosi. That means she was his boss.

That doesn't mean she gave him a directive to not allow National Guard. To this day, no one's ever been able to show that.

 

[Political-Junkie]

No they were told to disperse and were being extremely violent at Lafayette Park. In contrast, the police were lobbing munitions into the Jan 6 peaceful crowd until later on at around 4:00 or 5:00 they became violent. You could say that the police helped cause the violence at jan6 by attacking the crowd. The Lafayette Park protesters were violent and destructive from the get go.
Violence was initiated by protestors and necessitated police action

• Protesters in Lafayette Park were not peaceful; they were organized and attempted to destroy the Andrew Jackson statue and deface an Episcopal Church.
  Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News a...
• The decision to clear Lafayette Park was made in advance due to severe rioting and injuries to over 100 law enforcement officers in the preceding days, not for a presidential photo op.
  The Ben Shapiro Show
• The Inspector General's report found that the decision to clear the park was made hours before any potential presidential photo op to install anti-scale fencing, and that there was violence from protesters leading up to the event.
  Mark Levin Podcast
  + 1
• The U.S. Park Police stated that many protesters became very violent, throwing

The violence on January 6th began at 12:53 when Trump supporters fought with police to get past a police barricade.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Wasn't Pelosi Irving's boss?

Irrelevant unless you can show she told him no National Guard.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Meh USSS secured the park. They played games and were dealt with.

There was an internal investigation that determined inadequate warnings failed to notify all the protesters.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Why do you say Pelolsi was involved. As I recall, somebody in the police of the Capitol said she would not approve.

Implying she wasn't asked. Irving said Pelosi would “never go for it.” And he said the intelligence didn’t justify the move.

 

[Delldude]

There was an internal investigation that determined inadequate warnings failed to notify all the protesters.

Link it.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Link it.

https://www.doioig.gov/sites/default/files/media/document/2021-09/SpecialReview_USPPActionsAtLafayettePark_FOIAReadingRoom.pdf

 

[Lesh]

You're missing the point, flash bangs into a peaceful crowd. No matter what the time it's wrong.
so you're saying it's okay to use the flash bangs at the Capitol for the peaceful crowd but not at Lafayette Park?

A. It’s not wrong. It’s a common police tactic

B. The time absolutely matters. You claim that the flashbangs cause the crowd to become violent. The fact is the crowd was violent well before flash bangs were first used

Stop lying

 

[Marener]

It was sure a weird election.

Remember that time you guys said there was a mathematics expert that said there was fraud?

But he turned out to be a college dropout who has a felony conviction and assembles swingers for a living.

That’s why you believe this shit.

 

[Correll]

It really upsets me you don't like hearing your own logic being applied.

It upsets me that we saw a massive taking of political prisoners and that your side is fine with it.

 

[Correll]

Thanks for agreeing with me that you think people disagreeing woth you should lead to civil war.

Your shit talk is irrelevant.

My point to you is for you to consider where your actions are leading.

That you refuse to do so, is your answer.

 

[Correll]

Yeah, the problem is with those who want to give convicted felons a get out of jail free card.

Trump was clear that the reason for the pardons was teh massive violation of the rights of the accused.

I have been clear about that, several times in this very thread.

You are still insisting on lying about what the issue is.


This is how you get a civil war.

 

[Delldude]

Remember that time you guys said there was a mathematics expert that said there was fraud?

But he turned out to be a college dropout who has a felony conviction and assembles swingers for a living.

That’s why you believe this shit.

So more than a half dozen mathematics scholars are college dropout swingers?

 

[Marener]

So more than a half dozen mathematics scholars are college dropout swingers?

He took a couple math classes before dropping out after being enrolled for 7 years with not degree.

That was your math expert.