Zone1 Abortion is murder and I can't find any way to show otherwise.

[Monk-Eye]

" Intellectual Profundity "

* Dumbfounded *

Contraception and the pull are more needed today than ever before. To end abortion we need to ensure less kids are conceived.

Yeah , an extinction of the hue mammon species will result in no abortion .

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Blaming The Wrong Perpetrator "

* Go Blubber To Goad About Death *

Semantics to dehumanize that human being, and ease your guilt

No guilt here , do not end up down range .

 

[sartre play]

I say none of this from a religious standpoint or from a political standpoint. I am simply looking at this from a very stark and realistic point of view.

I have tried to examine abortion, look at others points of view and so on but I honestly see no rational or reasonable way to show abortion is not murdering a human being. There is simply no way that abortion is not murdering a child regardless of how you try to spin it.

First of all, if you have an abortion that means you have a child inside you. If you do not have a child inside you then there is nothing to abort. You can't have abortion before there is a child.

Second, once the egg is fertilized and implanted it's a baby. Sure it's a little blob, but unforseen circumstances aside, if you simply leave that blob alone it will be born in 9 months. Once a fertilized egg is implanted it starts a growth period of many stages lasting 17 to 19 years to become an adult. It doesn't matter if it's 11 days after conception or 3 years after conception, it's still a human being in different growth stages. Aborting it 3 weeks is the same as aborting it at 8 months, you are prematurely stopping the life of the baby before it can be born.

This whole "but it doesn't have a heartbeat" doesn't mean it isn't still a human growing inside its mother that if you simply leave it alone it will be born. How is it any different than if as soon as it's born you say "well it can't talk or even stand up so it isn't a human being so I'll end it's life". The only difference is you're saying it's ok to end the babies life before it has grown it's heart and ending it's life before it can talk, both are just ways to justify ending a babies life.

And you are never going to look.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I say none of this from a religious standpoint or from a political standpoint. I am simply looking at this from a very stark and realistic point of view.

I have tried to examine abortion, look at others points of view and so on but I honestly see no rational or reasonable way to show abortion is not murdering a human being. There is simply no way that abortion is not murdering a child regardless of how you try to spin it.

First of all, if you have an abortion that means you have a child inside you. If you do not have a child inside you then there is nothing to abort. You can't have abortion before there is a child.

Second, once the egg is fertilized and implanted it's a baby. Sure it's a little blob, but unforseen circumstances aside, if you simply leave that blob alone it will be born in 9 months. Once a fertilized egg is implanted it starts a growth period of many stages lasting 17 to 19 years to become an adult. It doesn't matter if it's 11 days after conception or 3 years after conception, it's still a human being in different growth stages. Aborting it 3 weeks is the same as aborting it at 8 months, you are prematurely stopping the life of the baby before it can be born.

This whole "but it doesn't have a heartbeat" doesn't mean it isn't still a human growing inside its mother that if you simply leave it alone it will be born. How is it any different than if as soon as it's born you say "well it can't talk or even stand up so it isn't a human being so I'll end it's life". The only difference is you're saying it's ok to end the babies life before it has grown it's heart and ending it's life before it can talk, both are just ways to justify ending a babies life.

Then don't get an abortion and mind your own goddamn business.

Problem solved.

/thread

 

[elektra]

People who support abortion should advocate for condoms, or the pill. We don't need abortion

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

People who support abortion should advocate for condoms, or the pill. We don't need abortion

Stupidity on parade.

People support choice.

 

[elektra]

Stupidity on parade.

People support choice.

Yes, stupidity on parade. Intelligent people will make the choice not to become pregnant in order to avoid and abortion. The pill and condoms are the best choice that cause the least harm to the human body.

 

[krichton]

Right wingers and conservatives want big government to control our bodies just like they do in every other lowly backwater authoritarian government. What a shocker.

 

[krichton]

Yes, stupidity on parade. Intelligent people will make the choice not to become pregnant in order to avoid and abortion. The pill and condoms are the best choice that cause the least harm to the human body.

What about people who choose to be become pregnant in order to start a family but then run into complications? What about people who take every precaution but become pregnant because the prophylactic failed? What about women or children who are raped?

 

[elektra]

What about people who choose to be become pregnant in order to start a family but then run into complications? What about people who take every precaution but become pregnant because the prophylactic failed? What about women or children who are raped?

I know of no complications that uses an abortion procedure

Rape is a hard one. Ask yourself do you like life, and then would a baby of rape like their life just the same.

Rape, sadly the research on rape babies is not publicized.

Rape, almost 100% of mothers who have a rape-baby love the decision.

Contraceptives, I never got a woman pregnant on Contraceptives. With a tiny bit of intelligence they are about 100% effective

We need incentives for people to have children. Too many are lost because society demonized having a child as well as the government has made it extremely expensive.

 

[elektra]

Right wingers and conservatives want big government to control our bodies just like they do in every other lowly backwater authoritarian government. What a shocker.

Wow, left wing radicals have made themselves the creator of life and death.
Left wing radicals thiughts are of the last century acting as if modern technology and knowledge can not prevent pregnancy

 

[Frankenstein]

Then don't get an abortion and mind your own goddamn business.

Problem solved.

/thread

Don't get pregnant, and if you do give the Father equal protection under the law, Right Winger

 

[Frankenstein]

Right wingers and conservatives want big government to control our bodies just like they do in every other lowly backwater authoritarian government. What a shocker.

No one forced you to become pregnant unless it was rape, or incest, and we have laws that punish those things, next!

 

[krichton]

I know of no complications that uses an abortion procedure

Rape is a hard one. Ask yourself do you like life, and then would a baby of rape like their life just the same.

Rape, sadly the research on rape babies is not publicized.

Rape, almost 100% of mothers who have a rape-baby love the decision.

Contraceptives, I never got a woman pregnant on Contraceptives. With a tiny bit of intelligence they are about 100% effective

We need incentives for people to have children. Too many are lost because society demonized having a child as well as the government has made it extremely expensive.

You know of no known health complications that would require an abortion? So all pregnancies go according to plan? No problems? Way to demonstrate your insane ignorance on this matter.

Why not give zygotes a poll on whether they would like to be born into a loving and stable family, or to a single mother and the result of a gang of men running a train on her against her will

Almost all mothers love their decision to have their babies after rape? How exactly would you know? Do you speak to each one? Do you know them all personally from their therapy sessions with you? A great deal of women often will blame themselves for being raped or sexually assaulted. Are we to take that purely on face value as well?

Contraceptives are not 100% effective in any product and they're not advertised as so either. If you think so, boy are you going to be in for a shocker one day.

Incentives or fear? Seems like you prefer the latter, which is what happens in totalitarian dictatorships. Society has not demonized having children. If you can come up with examples of why you believe this I'd like to see the justification. What modern and educated society has done is shown that women have choices in life and that choice isn't chained to being a baby machine and standing in a kitchen every day. That's not demonization. That's called living in the 21st century.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Pregnancy is a dangerous condition that can imperil any woman.

 

[elektra]

You know of no known health complications that would require an abortion? So all pregnancies go according to plan? No problems? Way to demonstrate your insane ignorance on this matter.

You displayed so many strawman arguments, false premises, and outright propaganda I will divide your comments up and show everyone how it is you parroting propaganda with zero knowledge of what you speak of.

 

[elektra]

You know of no known health complications that would require an abortion? So all pregnancies go according to plan? No problems? Way to demonstrate your insane ignorance on this matter.

Ignorance is wonderful thing as well as projection. You are projecting your ignorance.

I stated there is no abortion procedure performed to save a woman's life. Your reply was to cast doubt on my knowledge.

Why did you not show us the abortion procedure that is used in emergency rooms that is also performed by planned parenthood.

Insane ignorance? Kind of a gray zone to use that language in a clean debate zone.

Tell us the abortion procedure you know of that planned parenthood uses that emergency rooms use.

If you can not do this, you are displaying your complete lack of knowledge on a topic you think you know something about.

Show everyone you were not just parroting the democrat masters that start this false narrative.

No Google search no link, this is your second chance, your first post was a simple contradiction. A personal attack that did not address the issue according to the rules of the clean debate zone.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

Murder means you've removed the life from a living thing. Period. Thats it.
Can't get more basic than that.

As far as socialized human beings are concerned, murder is frown upon when it's a life taken for no good reason.
This includes abortion.

If you don't want to get pregnant, then use protection, have your sex organs removed, or just keep your fucking legs crossed.

Mind you, what I see in the news chanting "keep your laws off my ovaries"...........they don't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting laid, much less pregnant by ANY man with working 5 senses.

 

[elektra]

krichton
No response? Quick to accuse, obfuscate, parrot a narrative but not so quick to comment with facts.

Projecting ignorance, one tactic used by the democrats. Or in this case simply because krichton parrots the narrative unwittingly

 

[krichton]

Ignorance is wonderful thing as well as projection. You are projecting your ignorance.

I stated there is no abortion procedure performed to save a woman's life. Your reply was to cast doubt on my knowledge.

Why did you not show us the abortion procedure that is used in emergency rooms that is also performed by planned parenthood.

Insane ignorance? Kind of a gray zone to use that language in a clean debate zone.

Tell us the abortion procedure you know of that planned parenthood uses that emergency rooms use.

If you can not do this, you are displaying your complete lack of knowledge on a topic you think you know something about.

Show everyone you were not just parroting the democrat masters that start this false narrative.

No Google search no link, this is your second chance, your first post was a simple contradiction. A personal attack that did not address the issue according to the rules of the clean debate zone.

Yes, you stated that you know of no known complication that requires an abortion, and this an insanely uninformed opinion. And every time you say it you're digging your own grave.

Democratic masters? Just because you have masters that tell you how to think, this shouldn't imply that others also follow in your footsteps and ways. There are complications in pregnancy ALL THE TIME. This is simply a basic fact. If this wasn't the case we wouldn't have such a high maternal mortality rate. Many women require an abortion in order to save their lives.

I mostly asked questions to your claims, you're actually the one wasting their second chance to explain themselves after the statements you've made.