Zone1 Abortion is murder and I can't find any way to show otherwise.

I say none of this from a religious standpoint or from a political standpoint. I am simply looking at this from a very stark and realistic point of view.

I have tried to examine abortion, look at others points of view and so on but I honestly see no rational or reasonable way to show abortion is not murdering a human being. There is simply no way that abortion is not murdering a child regardless of how you try to spin it.

First of all, if you have an abortion that means you have a child inside you. If you do not have a child inside you then there is nothing to abort. You can't have abortion before there is a child.

Second, once the egg is fertilized and implanted it's a baby. Sure it's a little blob, but unforseen circumstances aside, if you simply leave that blob alone it will be born in 9 months. Once a fertilized egg is implanted it starts a growth period of many stages lasting 17 to 19 years to become an adult. It doesn't matter if it's 11 days after conception or 3 years after conception, it's still a human being in different growth stages. Aborting it 3 weeks is the same as aborting it at 8 months, you are prematurely stopping the life of the baby before it can be born.

This whole "but it doesn't have a heartbeat" doesn't mean it isn't still a human growing inside its mother that if you simply leave it alone it will be born. How is it any different than if as soon as it's born you say "well it can't talk or even stand up so it isn't a human being so I'll end it's life". The only difference is you're saying it's ok to end the babies life before it has grown it's heart and ending it's life before it can talk, both are just ways to justify ending a babies life.

If you cannot accept that having a baby isn't YOUR decision, and that a zygote is a potential human life, not an actual human life, then there is nothing that will demonstrate that your position is untenable.

It's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. STAY OUT OF IT.
 
Not an abortion.

These women did have emergency surgery, in Texas when the Ectopic pregnancy burst.

Had these women been under the care of an oconologist, it would not of happened.

An "oconocist" is a doctor who treats cancer. These women don't have cancer. How could an oconocist have saved them. They were pregnant.

A Texas woman who has an ectopic pregnancy obtained a court order for an abortion and Ken Paxton threatened her hospital and her doctor if they performed the abortion. She had to go out of state to get treatment. Paxton said her life wasn't threatened at the moment she obtained the Order.


The Texas law doesn't protect the "health" of the mother. Only her life. Unless the woman is in danger of dying right this minute, no abortion for you. Regardless of the damage to her health or ability to have more children by delaying until she's on death's door, no abortion for her.

The reason is that physicians have provided abortions if the mother's mental health is at risk if she has the baby, and so they have blocked this avenue of approval.
 
An "oconocist" is a doctor who treats cancer. These women don't have cancer. How could an oconocist have saved them. They were pregnant.

A Texas woman who has an ectopic pregnancy obtained a court order for an abortion and Ken Paxton threatened her hospital and her doctor if they performed the abortion. She had to go out of state to get treatment. Paxton said her life wasn't threatened at the moment she obtained the Order.


The Texas law doesn't protect the "health" of the mother. Only her life. Unless the woman is in danger of dying right this minute, no abortion for you. Regardless of the damage to her health or ability to have more children by delaying until she's on death's door, no abortion for her.

The reason is that physicians have provided abortions if the mother's mental health is at risk if she has the baby, and so they have blocked this avenue of approval.
An "oconocist" is a doctor who treats cancer. These women don't have cancer. How could an oconocist have saved them. They were pregnant.

A Texas woman who has an ectopic pregnancy obtained a court order for an abortion ...
The misuse of words is a great political trick.

An abortion procedure is never perforned to remove an ecotopic procedure.

If you like you can name every procedure planned parenthood aborts a baby with and I can show an emergency room never uses those procedures.
 
The misuse of words is a great political trick.

An abortion procedure is never perforned to remove an ecotopic procedure.

If you like you can name every procedure planned parenthood aborts a baby with and I can show an emergency room never uses those procedures.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.



 
The misuse of words is a great political trick.

An abortion procedure is never perforned to remove an ecotopic procedure.

If you like you can name every procedure planned parenthood aborts a baby with and I can show an emergency room never uses those procedures.

You'er the guy who said that if these women had an "onocologist", they wouldn't have had a problem, and then you accused ME of trying to mislead YOU with word games.

Why would I want you to post your false information from right wing websites??? You don't have credible sources, and you've never been pregnant nor have you had a miscarriage.

I have had 3 children, and two miscarriages. With my last pregnancy, I was at VERY high risk for an ectopic pregnancy. I found out everything I could about ectopic pregnancies so I would know what I could be dealing with.

I will match my actual experience and knowledge in dealing with pregnancy and childbirth against your "Questionable Sources" any day of the week.

This reminds me of the Republican House member who famously said "Mrs. Pelosi thinks she knows more about birthing babies than the Pope". As a mother of 5 children, damn skippy Mrs. Pelosi knows more about birthing babies than the Pope.
 
" Ostentatious Credit In Need Of Updates "

* Unresolved Ambiguities Of Abortion Choice Propositions *

If you cannot accept that having a baby isn't YOUR decision, and that a zygote is a potential human life, not an actual human life, then there is nothing that will demonstrate that your position is untenable.
It's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. STAY OUT OF IT.
A " potential life " from roe v wade is a hyperbolic reference to a rite to life from the perspective of legitimate state interests that require a live birth for equal protection with a citizen .

An etymology of the term human includes the eponym hue , which would mean to have an appearance of a man , and at about 15 weeks of development the absorption of a vestigial caudal tail ( ex . monkeys ) is complete and feet are evident , such that the term fetus is applied and the appearance is nearly that of a hue man .

A potential homo sapiens sapiens would apply as sapience requires sentience , and sentience requires thalamocortical radiations to bridge the autonomic system of the thalamus and the cerebral cortex for higher order thinking , which do not begin to develop prior to approximately 23 weeks , while actual sentience is not evident until approximately 29 to 30 weeks ( post natural viability ) .

An ethical argument that empathy for suffering is a legitimate reason to represent another by proxy is rhetorical , in that at those fetal stages of development , women are not seeking without cause abortion and are instead seeking with cause abortion , whereby the sanctimonious , sacrosanct , freak farmer fanatics , with anthropocentric psychosis , can go fuck themselves with their putrid ideas .
 
It does matter since you are having a Jesus moment.

The OP stated clearly that he was not speaking from a religious point of view. The left loves abortion and hates religion so much that they can't help equating the two topics.
 
" Anthropocentric Psychosis Demanding Validation "

* Collectivists Ignoring To Each Their Own *

The OP stated clearly that he was not speaking from a religious point of view. The left loves abortion and hates religion so much that they can't help equating the two topics.
The abortion anti-choice seek to establish their religion through opposition to abortion , irrespective of a fact that its creed violates us constitution .
 
You'er the guy who said that if these women had an "onocologist", they wouldn't have had a problem, and then you accused ME of trying to mislead YOU with word games.

You'er the guy who said that if these women had an "onocologist", they wouldn't have had a problem, and then you accused ME of trying to mislead YOU with word games.
Liar, never accused you of what you claim. If you think so it is because you did not comprend what was said
 
Why would I want you to post your false information from right wing websites??? You don't have credible sources

Instead of having a discussion you choose to dismiss everything before it is said. I dont need a website to orove you are wrong. All I need to do is ask one simple question

Tell us which abortion procedure an emergency room would use to save a women's life.
 
I say none of this from a religious standpoint or from a political standpoint. I am simply looking at this from a very stark and realistic point of view.

I have tried to examine abortion, look at others points of view and so on but I honestly see no rational or reasonable way to show abortion is not murdering a human being. There is simply no way that abortion is not murdering a child regardless of how you try to spin it.

First of all, if you have an abortion that means you have a child inside you. If you do not have a child inside you then there is nothing to abort. You can't have abortion before there is a child.

Second, once the egg is fertilized and implanted it's a baby. Sure it's a little blob, but unforseen circumstances aside, if you simply leave that blob alone it will be born in 9 months. Once a fertilized egg is implanted it starts a growth period of many stages lasting 17 to 19 years to become an adult. It doesn't matter if it's 11 days after conception or 3 years after conception, it's still a human being in different growth stages. Aborting it 3 weeks is the same as aborting it at 8 months, you are prematurely stopping the life of the baby before it can be born.

This whole "but it doesn't have a heartbeat" doesn't mean it isn't still a human growing inside its mother that if you simply leave it alone it will be born. How is it any different than if as soon as it's born you say "well it can't talk or even stand up so it isn't a human being so I'll end it's life". The only difference is you're saying it's ok to end the babies life before it has grown it's heart and ending it's life before it can talk, both are just ways to justify ending a babies life.
It's not a life if it can't live outside the womb.
 
I have had 3 children, and two miscarriages. With my last pregnancy, I was at VERY high risk for an ectopic pregnancy. I found out everything I could about ectopic pregnancies so I would know what I could be dealing with.
Then why did you not tell me when I asked, which abortion procedure an emergency room uses
 
Liar, liar, pants on fire.



Abortion is not stated once. You proved me right. That an abortion is not a procedure emergency room doctors.

And likewise, no planned parenthood performs surgery to remobe an ectopic pregnancy.

It is reckless and dangerous to a womrn's health to suggest an abortion is performed for ectopic pregnancy.

Never ever go to planned parenthood if you think ypu have an ectopic pregnancy. Call 911
 
Abortion is not stated once. You proved me right. That an abortion is not a procedure emergency room doctors.

And likewise, no planned parenthood performs surgery to remobe an ectopic pregnancy.

It is reckless and dangerous to a womrn's health to suggest an abortion is performed for ectopic pregnancy.

Never ever go to planned parenthood if you think ypu have an ectopic pregnancy. Call 911

What are YOU talking about. "Abortion" is defined as "the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy."

Are you not able to define the word "abortion"??? I mean so far you've said that these women wouldn't have a problem if they had an "onocologist" dealing with their ectopic pregancies.

The links clearly state that the pregnancy must be terminated before the fallopian tube bursts. Is terminating the pregnancy, by chemical means or surgery, not performing an abortion?????

Pray tell us oh learned one what exactly is an "abortion"?
 
What are YOU talking about. "Abortion" is defined as "the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy."
Abortion in the broadest sense of the term means the baby did not make it. Certainly if the democrat party wants us to use the meaning of 1959, than yes, it means everything.

I guess you want an adverb to be used? Or do we use the 1959 defintion.

When a military pilot scrubs a mission, that is also an abortion on the broadest sense of the term.

As I have been using the term I am refering to the abortion procedures used by planned
parenthood.

If a man kills a woman which terminates the pregnancy, that is also an abortion.
 

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