Zone1 Abortion Debate: Come Clean and without fallacy

[ding]

If the govt tells you to do something and if you dont, you face their goons with imprisonment or worse, what would you call it? I would call it "force"

Really? You wouldn't call it accountability?

Let's say you are in a bar and some guy mouths off to you and you deck him. You get arrested and when you face the judge are you going to argue you were justified? Or are you going to own it and say, "worth it?"

Have you ever taken accountability for anything in your life?

 

[ding]

No, im rationalizing why the govt should not be involved.
Now stop making stuff. You are starting to bore me.

You most certainly are rationalizing abortion. Because you certainly haven't said abortion is wrong but you support abortion anyway. Pick a lane. You can't have it both ways.

 

[TNHarley]

Really? You wouldn't call it accountability?

Let's say you are in a bar and some guy mouths off to you and you deck him. You get arrested and when you face the judge are you going to argue you were justified? Or are you going to own it and say, "worth it?"

Have you ever taken accountability for anything in your life?

FFS, YES. I have already said accountability is in the picture. But that has nothing to do with my argument.
Punching someone for words is illegal. If I did that, it would be my fault for going to jail.
I take accountability for this headache im getting for continuously reading your BS.

 

[TNHarley]

You most certainly are rationalizing abortion. Because you certainly haven't said abortion is wrong but you support abortion anyway. Pick a lane. You can't have it both ways.

I dont support it you illiterate clown. I just dont support the govt being involved because its none of their business.
I dont support people getting drunk every day and wasting their life away. Do I want to punish them for it? No.
Your informal fallacy is obnoxious.

 

[BackAgain]

"nothing directly........" It does.




100% against the death penalty and I've addressed this so many times I had hoped I wouldn't have to here.

You have the right to defend yourself. I have been against every single war since I've been alive.

Yeah. That defeat of Nazi Germany stands in contrast to a position of opposition to all wars.

And if you agree that WWII had to be fought by the allies, then I suppose you’d have to agree that opposition to all wars and any war is pretty ridiculous.

 

[ding]

FFS, YES. I have already said accountability is in the picture. But that has nothing to do with my argument.
Punching someone for words is illegal. If I did that, it would be my fault for going to jail.

Saying accountability is in the picture and then not being accountable is called lip service.

I take accountability for this headache im getting for continuously reading your BS.

Blaming others is a textbook example of an external locus of control. Which by definition is the oposite of being accountable.

 

[ding]

I dont support it you illiterate clown. I just dont support the govt being involved because its none of their business.
I dont support people getting drunk every day and wasting their life away. Do I want to punish them for it? No.
Your informal fallacy is obnoxious.

Actually you do support abortion. Or was it someone else who rationalized abortion was acceptable to you because they were dependent upon the mother?

 

[TNHarley]

Saying accountability is in the picture and then not being accountable is called lip service.

Blaming others is a textbook example of an external locus of control. Which by definition is the oposite of being accountable.

Lol youre such a tool. Good day!

 

[ding]

Lol youre such a tool. Good day!

Help me, help you.

 

[JoeB131]

So 8.5 months you can kill the fetus?

Depends on the circumstances.

If it has some horrific disease, that would be merciful.

If the woman caught the husband ******* the maid, I'd be less cool with an abortion at that point, but it's still none of my business.

And it's not any of yours, either.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Margaret Sanger wasn't entirely wrong.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

No. But if a woman wants to end her gestation, and the govt says no, it is forced gestation.

Did she create the gestation?

If she takes out a loan, then suddenly doesn’t want to pay it, is it wrong she would be forced to?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

And it's not any of yours, either.

What happens to other human beings is very much all of our business.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Mr. Friscus

And you seem to ignore the Ninth Amendment here in the US.

No, the interpretating appears to be in flux at the moment.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

LOL completely ridiculous.
I dont think people should cheat on their spouses, so that automatically means I want it to be illegal? Try logic boomer.
LOL you never get the best of me. You literally make things up and pat yourself on the back. Like a dumb arrogant child

So should businesses have the right to deny services to black people because they're black?

Don't forget about your liberty...

 

[BackAgain]

Depends on the circumstances.

If it has some horrific disease, that would be merciful.

If the woman caught the husband ******* the maid, I'd be less cool with an abortion at that point, but it's still none of my business.

And it's not any of yours, either.

Of course it’s our business, too.

Try not to say such asshole things all the time

 

[JoeB131]

What happens to other human beings is very much all of our business.

Dude, when you start caring about the human beings who are already here, I'll take you more seriously on the fetuses.

 

[JoeB131]

Of course it’s our business, too.

Try not to say such asshole things all the time

Nope, it's none of your business.

There's a way to get to LESS abortions.

Universal Health Care
Paid Family Leave
Comprehensive Sex Education
Easy Access to Contraceptives

I compare France to the US. France has government funded abortions up until the 12th week, and after the 12th week, the doctor has to give a reason. Yet they have 25% less abortions than Americans do.

MEANWHILE, in the Philippines, they have the kinds of laws you guys want. No abortion except in case of the mother's life being in danger. Yet Filipinas have more Abortions than Americans do... 500K to 800K a year in a country only about a third of our size.

 

[ding]

Margaret Sanger wasn't entirely wrong.

About what?

 

[candycorn]

Of course, this board is ripe with people who spew fallacies as a debate go-to, but I challenge anyone to stay on topic and discuss the issue without becoming hyperbolic, emotional, or political.

My stance is clear, on many fronts (and you can take on any of them:

1. Scientific: We know that once a sperm and egg unite, they create a unique human life with it's own DNA that is separate from the mother. So it has nothing directly to do with the body of the mother. The mother is a nourisher and supporter of the life inside her, and is performing a woman's superpower, something men cannot do.

2. Philosophic: We are trying to determine the value of a human life, when it begins, what a "person" is. The bottom line is that nobody can say for certain. We've seen horrible atrocities occur when human life is devalued by dictators. The creation of a human life is the ultimate value, and the beginning of the process of a unique being's journey towards it's full complete journey through birth, growing as a child, through teens, and into generally a complete adult by age 23-25.

3. Religious: God loves us, and the teachings are clear He does not approve of us deciding to kill his creations in this way.


I've yet to hear a convincing argument from pro-abortionists, as they
1. ignore the proponents I listed
2. attempt to turn it into some sort of battle of the sexes (despite the gigantic bloc of women who oppose abortion), only focusing on the "inconvenience" placed on the mother, and how it's unfair. If a pro-abortionist would like to add more
3. Dehumanize the fetus despite its' scientific realities and it's philosophical capital.

I invite anyone who can handle a low intensity and high content debate to reply. If we get angry pro-abortionists invading with fallacies, I'll simply point them out and move on.

When sperm and egg unite, they create a fetus.

Terminating a pregnancy isn't killing anything.