Zone1 Abortion Debate: Come Clean and without fallacy

[SaxonJackson]

Name another species of animal that aborts their unborn young because they "can't afford" babies or because of the "inconvenience" of having one.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Name another species of animal that aborts their unborn young because they "can't afford" babies or because of the "inconvenience" of having one.

In California you can get fined tens of thousands and get up to a year in jail If you ruin sea turtle eggs.. but you can kill human fetuses no problem

 

[SaxonJackson]

In California you can get fined tens of thousands and get up to a year in jail If you ruin sea turtle eggs.. but you can kill human fetuses no problem

You also get jail time for messing with Bald or Golden Eagle eggs.

 

[initforme]

hasnt this issue been settled? If we want abortion gone then lets promote conteaception use. Less conceptions are a good thing.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So they're fish?

Fish have gills. They do not have lungs. Take a biology class please.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

hasnt this issue been settled? If we want abortion gone then lets promote conteaception use. Less conceptions are a good thing.

Yeah, but you just hate children! Get off my lawn!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

hasnt this issue been settled? If we want abortion gone then lets promote conteaception use. Less conceptions are a good thing.

Contraception? Your spelling is not improving.

 

[initforme]

Yeah, but you just hate children! Get off my lawn!

So ifbone cannot afford kids you want them to have lots of spawn?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So ifbone cannot afford kids you want them to have lots of spawn?

Did I say that? I just pointed out you demented hatred of all things child related.

 

[JoeB131]

Protecting life is the business of others, and the government. To broadly say otherwise is to say we don’t need police because what’s happening to others is none of their business

So when are you going to support a gun ban? That would save 43,000 lives a year.

Yes it is. This discussion is about protecting human life in the womb. You bringing in the complex issue of dealing with poverty is a red herring. Another fallacy from you. I’m starting to think you’re unable to present an argument that isn’t a fallacy, which is pathetic

But that's the problem. We don't take care of the lives that are here, do we? You guys are more concerned with globs of tissue than you are with actual children who go to bed hungry, have to learn in inferior schools, and can't see a doctor because they can't afford it.

When people place the value of money over the value of human life. You’re diseased.

Money they don't have, that's the thing. You think people should to into $10,000 of debt to have a baby they never wanted.

As far as the 9th amendment, Abortion isn’t historically addressed, so you can’t just assume a right out of it, and it wasn’t rooted in the nations history or culture.

The 9th amendment can be easily abused and can be used to justify just about anything you want. The original Roe v Wade case is seen as the most radical ruling in SCOTUS history for a reason. Nearly nobody asked for it.

Actually, a lot of people asked for it.

SCOTUS had already struck down the contraception laws, with the Griswold decision. They probably thought that Roe would be no more controversial, given the laws were largely ignored by the 1970s.

 

[JoeB131]

In California you can get fined tens of thousands and get up to a year in jail If you ruin sea turtle eggs.. but you can kill human fetuses no problem

Dishonest argument. Sea Turtles are an endangered species. It's not just their eggs you get into trouble for, it's their nesting areas as well that are protected.

 

[forkup]

When your freedoms infringe on the basic human rights of others, they ought to stop.

Like the right to decide what happens to your own body? Is that a basic human right?

 

[TNHarley]

When your freedoms infringe on the basic human rights of others, they ought to stop.

I agree.

 

[Hafar1014]

I'm not really interested in your trolling.

Only your trolling
Answer the question
Put up or shut up
It seems you made the wise choice to shut up

 

[Mr. Friscus]

So when are you going to support a gun ban? That would save 43,000 lives a year.

Red herring fallacy

But that's the problem. We don't take care of the lives that are here, do we? You guys are more concerned with globs of tissue than you are with actual children who go to bed hungry, have to learn in inferior schools, and can't see a doctor because they can't afford it.

Red herring fallacy

Money they don't have, that's the thing. You think people should to into $10,000 of debt to have a baby they never wanted.

Then why did they do the thing that causes pregnancy if they never wanted a baby? There’s always a “risk”.

Actually, a lot of people asked for it.

It was largely banned in pretty much all states unless of medical emergency, rape, or incest until the late 1960’s and then Roe. It was not a strong social movement whatsoever.. which is why the Roe v Wade case is the poster child for SCOTUS political activism, and the most radical and controversial ruling in SCOTUS history.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I agree.

Apparently you don’t, because you’re okay with late term abortion and racial discrimination

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Like the right to decide what happens to your own body? Is that a basic human right?

Yes, for the fetus. You can’t just kill human life because you don’t want it to exist.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Dishonest argument. Sea Turtles are an endangered species. It's not just their eggs you get into trouble for, it's their nesting areas as well that are protected.

Exactly. California cares more about unborn sea turtles than unborn humans. It’s a shocking truth, and kinda puts things in perspective

 

[TNHarley]

Apparently you don’t, because you’re okay with late term abortion and racial discrimination

How is me denying my private property to someone impeding their rights? Lol thats leftist crap. People are not entitled to others property.
If the baby is inside the woman, I dont consider it an individual. Its literally connected to the womans body. If it lost its connection to the mother, it would die very fast.

 

[forkup]

Yes, for the fetus. You can’t just kill human life because you don’t want it to exist.

Ah so a woman doesn't have a right to her own body? Or only pregnant ones don't.

As for your assertion. Are you sure about that? What if letting that human life live risks your own life? Are you allowed to kill that person? What when letting that person live ensures your own body is changed forever. What when letting it live ensures you being uncomfortable for an extented period of time.

In short what about pregnancy suspends basic human rights for yourself, including bodily autonomy and the right to act in self-defense?