Zone1 Abortion Debate: Come Clean and without fallacy

[Bitterhook]

You really kind of suck at this, to be honest.

Simple question.

What should the punishment be for a woman who gets an abortion?

You cannot do anything but lying, which doesn't mean I suck.
I am going to make you do it again, just watch this.

 

[JoeB131]

You cannot do anything but lying, which doesn't mean I suck.
I am going to make you do it again, just watch this.

Just answer the question.

 

[Bitterhook]

Just answer the question.

Told you I would get you to do it again.

With any luck I can get you not to lie like the last time you lied and told me you were going to put me on ignore, so I can then just roast you every time I feel like it and won't have to listen to whatever absolute nonsense you make up in attempts to defend your equally senseless garbage and lies.

 

[Chuz Life]

Just answer the question.

Oh, the ******* irony

 

[ding]

You're just repeating yourself and avoiding the point.

If you really think a fetus is the same as a fully grown person, then you should advocate for prosecuting women for murder when they have abortions.

Incidentally, they DID try to get that camel's nose under the tent in a couple of cases involving women of color who had inadvertent abortions. See the cases of Purvi Patel and Shaue Bei-Bei. (They'd never try to pull this shit with a white woman.)

When people heard about it, they were rightfully horrified.

That's because my point hasn't changed. You rationalize your beliefs because you really do believe in good and evil, Joey. Which is why you can't say, "to hell with that baby. **** that baby. I'm glad they killed it. I hope it suffered" and be done with it.

 

[Chuz Life]

No diversion at all. As long as Globby needs a woman to act as a life-support system, her willingness to be a life support system determines it's viability. Otherwise

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My questions have nothing to do with viability.

When you are ready start giving honest and direct answers to the questions of others, let me know.

Here's another chance. I'll even give you the answers and all you have to do is acknowledge the fact. . .

But we both know you won't do that.

Don't we.

 

[JoeB131]

My questions have nothing to do with viability.

When you are ready start giving honest and direct answers to the questions of others, let me know.

Here's another chance. I'll even give you the answers and all you have to do is acknowledge the fact. . .

But we both know you won't do that.

Don't we.

It's not a viable organism, that's the point.

But now your turn.

What punishment do you think we should give women who get abortions?

If it isn't the same as we give people who murder actual people, then you are a hypocrite

That's because my point hasn't changed. You rationalize your beliefs because you really do believe in good and evil, Joey. Which is why you can't say, "to hell with that baby. **** that baby. I'm glad they killed it. I hope it suffered" and be done with it.

So you can't answer the question, then, eh?

Fetuses aren't babies.

 

[Hollie]

Of course, this board is ripe with people who spew fallacies as a debate go-to, but I challenge anyone to stay on topic and discuss the issue without becoming hyperbolic, emotional, or political.

My stance is clear, on many fronts (and you can take on any of them:

1. Scientific: We know that once a sperm and egg unite, they create a unique human life with it's own DNA that is separate from the mother. So it has nothing directly to do with the body of the mother. The mother is a nourisher and supporter of the life inside her, and is performing a woman's superpower, something men cannot do.

2. Philosophic: We are trying to determine the value of a human life, when it begins, what a "person" is. The bottom line is that nobody can say for certain. We've seen horrible atrocities occur when human life is devalued by dictators. The creation of a human life is the ultimate value, and the beginning of the process of a unique being's journey towards it's full complete journey through birth, growing as a child, through teens, and into generally a complete adult by age 23-25.

3. Religious: God loves us, and the teachings are clear He does not approve of us deciding to kill his creations in this way.


I've yet to hear a convincing argument from pro-abortionists, as they
1. ignore the proponents I listed
2. attempt to turn it into some sort of battle of the sexes (despite the gigantic bloc of women who oppose abortion), only focusing on the "inconvenience" placed on the mother, and how it's unfair. If a pro-abortionist would like to add more
3. Dehumanize the fetus despite its' scientific realities and it's philosophical capital.

I invite anyone who can handle a low intensity and high content debate to reply. If we get angry pro-abortionists invading with fallacies, I'll simply point them out and move on.

“…,performing a woman's superpower, something men cannot do”

The left denies this. They are convinced men can get pregnant.

 

[Chuz Life]

It's not a viable organism, that's the point.

But now your turn.

What punishment do you think we should give women who get abortions?

If it isn't the same as we give people who murder actual people, then you are a hypocrite


So you can't answer the question, then, eh?

Fetuses aren't babies.

I welcome the opportunity to address your questions with specific answers. However, I refuse to do so, when you refuse to answer mine.

You were asked; "Is a human fetus a biological organism?"

It's a Yes or No.

Viability or the lack thereof does not change what the **** it IS.

You were asked; "Does a human fetus not have biological "parents?"

Again, a Yes or No answer.

Viability or the lack thereof does not change the ******* fact that they have biological PARENTS.

This has everything to do with whether you have any ability to acknowledge FACTS.

It has everything to do with whether or not you lack intellectual honesty.

 

[JoeB131]

I welcome the opportunity to address your questions with specific answers. However, I refuse to do so, when you refuse to answer mine.

You were asked; "Is a human fetus a biological organism?"

And I gave you an answer. It wasn't the answer you wanted to hear, but it's an answer.

If a glob of tissue isn't viable, it shouldn't have special protections... Certainly not more rights than the woman it's inside.

Viability or the lack thereof does not change the ******* fact that they have biological PARENTS.

And if one of those parents says, "Not Playing", little globby is off to the medical waste incinerator.

 

[Chuz Life]

And I gave you an answer. It wasn't the answer you wanted to hear, but it's an answer.

If a glob of tissue isn't viable, it shouldn't have special protections... Certainly not more rights than the woman it's inside.



And if one of those parents says, "Not Playing", little globby is off to the medical waste incinerator.

Okay, back on ignore you go.

I refuse to let any more of my time be wasted by your lack of intellectual honesty.

 

[JoeB131]

Okay, back on ignore you go.

I refuse to let any more of my time be wasted by your lack of intellectual honesty.

Awww...don't go away mad... just go away

Okay, anyone else.

If you ever get your wank fantasy of making abortion illegal, what should the penalty be for a woman who gets one?

 

[ding]

It's not a viable organism, that's the point.

But now your turn.

What punishment do you think we should give women who get abortions?

If it isn't the same as we give people who murder actual people, then you are a hypocrite


So you can't answer the question, then, eh?

Fetuses aren't babies.

You dehumanize human life so that you can feel better about yourself.

 

[JoeB131]

You dehumanize human life so that you can feel better about yourself.

I just took you off ignore, don't make me regret it.

Not a matter of feeling better about myself. I don't have a dog in the abortion fight. My wife and I are too old to have kids.

I just realize the impracticality of your position.

If you think abortion is murder, but you aren't willing to seriously punish the women who get them, you've created a law people will have contempt for.

It's like you people learned nothing from Prohibition.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

“…,performing a woman's superpower, something men cannot do”

The left denies this. They are convinced men can get pregnant.

pknopp "Fake news"? Democrats actively will not if men can get pregnant. It was just on the house floor a few weeks ago, and the Democrat representative was asked 12 times "Can men get pregnant" and she refused to answer.

So, absolutely, your party does think men can get pregnant. And, that's a testament of the feminine becoming too powerful on the left. Your side is so worried about offending someone (We all need to play together) that you'll take this factually incorrect stance.

 

[Chuz Life]

You dehumanize human life so that you can feel better about yourself.

I doubt it helps.

If anyone with that level of denial and dehumanization thinks they feel any better about themself by doing so. . .

They are ******* dead inside and (most likely) aware of it.

 

[pknopp]

pknopp "Fake news"? Democrats actively will not if men can get pregnant. It was just on the house floor a few weeks ago, and the Democrat representative was asked 12 times "Can men get pregnant" and she refused to answer.

So, absolutely, your party does think men can get pregnant. And, that's a testament of the feminine becoming too powerful on the left. Your side is so worried about offending someone (We all need to play together) that you'll take this factually incorrect stance.

You're the Democrat.

 

[JoeB131]

I doubt it helps.

If anyone with that level of denial and dehumanization thinks they feel any better about themself by doing so. . .

They are ******* dead inside and (most likely) aware of it.

Guy, I was brought up with the Fetus Porn Catholic Bullshit back in the 1970's, where they showed us graphic pictures of aborted fetuses in the fifth grade.

I don't like abortion, but I realize the reality that women will get them no matter what the law is.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Sure I did. You just didn't like the very sensible answer.

Yes, you care about human life until birth. After birth, you're on your own, suckers!!!

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You guys blow up abortion clinics to please an imaginary sky fairy...that's what I call "Triggered".


I think you are engaging in sophistry because your main point is silly.



Really? HOw about all the people killed in the Crusades? Or the Spanish Inquistion? Or all the witches burned at the stake?

The problem is, the law has never recognized Globby the Fetus as a person. And in fact, doing so would create a host of legal problems. If a woman has a miscarriage, is she guilty of negligent homicide?


Just the religious nutters.


I said they voted to return to the pre-Dobbs standard.


Um, sorry, man, when you say shit like "Africans are Cannibals" and "Muslims are inbred", you really come off as a racist. So when you say you care about "life', you just mean white folks, right?


Right, that's why they arrested a Comedian for joking about the Pope being Sodomized by demons.

I don't think you're capable of staying on the subject. You're accusing of racism, talking about the Pope, sprinting towards massive exceptions, and your presuppositions are on the flat-earth level. You're full of ad homs, red herrings, moving goalposts. I simply can't keep up. I'd love to continue the discussion, but if you're going to sprint away every time and bring up 8 unrelated topics and narratives... it's just not compelling to discord.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

You're the Democrat.

Stop tantruming. Either address the point or run along.