Abbas suggests Obama promised 67 lines - E. Jerusalem

[Phoenall]

you need to try to put yourself in their shoes. how would react in their situation?
they're boxed in, not allowed self determination. resources and movement are restricted, and it's not uncommon to have tanks rolling through their neighborhoods killing people in a 10 to 1 ratio.

it's important to keep that in mind - perspective is everything.

You blindly refuse to recognize those incidents are the direct result of attacks on Israel. Israel offered to help them set up their own Government years ago and the response was direct attacks on Israel and the intifada.

the only thing i refuse to do is give either side a pass.

playing the 'but he started it' game doesn't move things forward or help anyone.

Aren't you doing the same thing when you constantly blame Israel for the problems. The problems are in retaliation to excessive violence and attacks on unarmed Israeli children. The constant rocket attacks with chemical/biological warheads don't help either. Would you just sit back and let your neighbours kill your children and destroy your home, or would you retaliate ?

 

[Phoenall]

the rules israel makes. do you not see how that isn't a negotiation at all?

would you settle for only the scraps someone else decided you could have?

Try the rules that the UN make, the Geneva conventions and the IHL. The very rules Israel is forced to play by while the Palestinians unleash illegal chemical/biological weapons on them.

What?

Exactly what I wrote the Palestinians use chemicals like Coumadin an anticoagulant to coat the nails with, or pack the warheads with rotting meat and faeces. Imagine the scene if a child is hit by just one piece of shrapnel from such a weapon.

Now go and look it up like a good little pro Palestinian

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

A recent history of the conflict for the uninformed here:

 

[jillian]

you need to try to put yourself in their shoes. how would react in their situation?
they're boxed in, not allowed self determination. resources and movement are restricted, and it's not uncommon to have tanks rolling through their neighborhoods killing people in a 10 to 1 ratio.

it's important to keep that in mind - perspective is everything.

You blindly refuse to recognize those incidents are the direct result of attacks on Israel. Israel offered to help them set up their own Government years ago and the response was direct attacks on Israel and the intifada.

the only thing i refuse to do is give either side a pass.

playing the 'but he started it' game doesn't move things forward or help anyone.

israel took a thousand missiles before retaliating. i know certain people hate when jews defend themselves.

you aren't giving neither side a pass…. you're taking sides.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Oslo Accord: What Happened And Why It Failed

 

[Sallow]

Try the rules that the UN make, the Geneva conventions and the IHL. The very rules Israel is forced to play by while the Palestinians unleash illegal chemical/biological weapons on them.

What?

Exactly what I wrote the Palestinians use chemicals like Coumadin an anticoagulant to coat the nails with, or pack the warheads with rotting meat and faeces. Imagine the scene if a child is hit by just one piece of shrapnel from such a weapon.

Now go and look it up like a good little pro Palestinian

Um.

You realize how ridiculous you sound?

Numbers, facts and reports on record do not back you up.

Israelis rarely die in terrorist attacks.

However, Palestinians are frequently killed in Israeli raids.

The numbers between Israeli and Palestinians casualties don't even come close.

 

[Phoenall]

What?

Exactly what I wrote the Palestinians use chemicals like Coumadin an anticoagulant to coat the nails with, or pack the warheads with rotting meat and faeces. Imagine the scene if a child is hit by just one piece of shrapnel from such a weapon.

Now go and look it up like a good little pro Palestinian

Um.

You realize how ridiculous you sound?

Numbers, facts and reports on record do not back you up.

Israelis rarely die in terrorist attacks.

However, Palestinians are frequently killed in Israeli raids.

The numbers between Israeli and Palestinians casualties don't even come close.

The thing is since Israel built the wall the nasty Palestinians cant engage in suicide bombing anymore. The Israelis have provided every school with safe rooms and shelters to protect their children. The Palestinians put them in front of their "brave" soldiers so they get killed first. That coupled with the fact that the Palestinians prefer to fight from civilian areas putting civilian lives at risk. So the only way they can hope to inflict any collateral damage is to use illegal substances in the nail bombs

 

[proudveteran06]

Why are you saying that the number 95% is not true?? Ever hear of the Camp David summit?

He"s lying . Ask him for links that prove he's right and there will be no response . When challenged as to why Israel should give in to all demands and the Palestinians make no concessions there is no response . It's called Pro Palestinian Mentality.

assuming that were the case with me, don't you have a pro-israel mentality?

what concessions would you have israel make?

Answering a question with a question. That is because you don't have an answer.

 

[proudveteran06]

What is your mental problem. Israel GAVE Arafat 95% of what they wanted YEARS ago, and was turned down!

The PA did not want land. The land is only and excuse to do what they really want. That is to kill all Israelis and take Israel off the map

i see that posted a lot, but it's so much crap. first, fairly sure that "95%" is not a real number but is so much made up propaganda.

second, it assumes that every desire is equally weighted. we all know that just isn't true.

finally, you may claim that the PA doesn't want land and only wants to kill, but if that's true they aren't nearly as good at is as the IDF.

No it is real and can be found if you google Camp David. 95% OF WHAT WAS INITIALLY DEMANDED AND ARAFAT REFUSED TO EVEN SIT DOWN AND TALK. HE JUST DEMANDED MORE AND MORE CONDITIONS BEFORE HE WOULD TALK. THEN HE WALKED OUT AND ASKED CLINTON IF HE WAS PROUD OF HIS HARDLINE STANCE.

Don't take my word for it read this

Camp David, 2000

The details were not disclosed formally, but according to media reports Barak's offer included:
•Israeli redeployment from 95% of the West Bank and 100% of the Gaza Strip
•The creation of a Palestinian state in the areas of Israeli withdrawal
•The removal of isolated settlements and transfer of the land to Palestinian control
•Other Israeli land exchanged for West Bank settlements remaining under Israeli control
•Palestinian control over East Jerusalem, including most of the Old City
•"Religious Sovereignty" over the Temple Mount, replacing Israeli sovereignty in effect since 1967

In return Arafat had to declare the "end of conflict" and agree that no further claims on Israel could be made in the future. Despite the considerable concessions by Israel, Arafat chose not to negotiate, not to make a counter-offer but to just walk out. This was typical of the Palestinian leader's style: offer nothing, just say no and wait for more concessions. In fact, the Palestinian negotiating team did make concessions during the negotiating process, but Arafat himself never agreed.

He won't google it . Consider the source.

 

[RoccoR]

Sallow, et al,

Wait a minute! Please...

Um.

You realize how ridiculous you sound?

Numbers, facts and reports on record do not back you up.

Israelis rarely die in terrorist attacks.

However, Palestinians are frequently killed in Israeli raids.

The numbers between Israeli and Palestinians casualties don't even come close.

(COMMENT)

The Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) may have a number of different complaints, even legitimate complaints... BUT! Being more efficient at defense and the counter-attack, is not a legitimate complaint.

I've heard variation of this complaint many times.

Remember, "proportionality" is NOT a prerequisite condition in the exchange of deadly-force. Israel does not have to suffer any casualties just to prove it follows the Laws of Land Warfare and International Humanitarian Law. The entire object of an adequate defense and the suppression of fire is to reduce, to the extent possible, effectiveness of hostile enemy actions, and to protect the lives of those being defended against Hostile Arab Palestinian enemy action.

The observation made that Israelis suffer few casualties in the face of Arab Palestinian hostile enemy action and Hostile Arab Palestinian suffers more casualties as a consequence of their hostile enemy action is a testimonial to the greater effectiveness of the Israeli defensive and countermeasures. But there is nothing sinister about it. In the self-defense scenarios often faced by the Israelis, the aggressor (HoAP) uses or attempts to use deadly force against Israeli targets that have the right to respond with deadly force.

When the Israelis reasonably believe the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent, suppress, or terminate what the Israelis reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted use of deadly force by the HoAP, then so be it. The consequences (who lives or who dies) as a result of the encounter, is a matter of effectiveness and application.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

And the Israelis are fighting for their very lives and for the continuance of the Jewish State of Israel whereas its enemy knows it is not entitled to the land, glories in death and aspires to death as martyrs.

 

[P F Tinmore]

A recent history of the conflict for the uninformed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcSYUItDdZc

Source:

Lying sack of shit, Dennis Ross.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

A recent history of the conflict for the uninformed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcSYUItDdZc

Source:

Lying sack of shit, Dennis Ross.

Whoa, you are loosing it my little goldfish.

 

[Hossfly]

A recent history of the conflict for the uninformed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcSYUItDdZc

Source:

Lying sack of shit, Dennis Ross.

Whoa, you are loosing it my little goldfish.

Brother Tinmore will always deny recorded history. I am stumped as to why.

 

[proudveteran06]

A recent history of the conflict for the uninformed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcSYUItDdZc

Source:

Lying sack of shit, Dennis Ross.

Tell us what exactly was offered then and what Arafat rejected . Also, please tell us what counter offers Arafat made . Lying Sack of Shit: A Palestinian.

 

[P F Tinmore]

A recent history of the conflict for the uninformed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcSYUItDdZc

Source:

Lying sack of shit, Dennis Ross.

Whoa, you are loosing it my little goldfish.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Source:

Lying sack of shit, Dennis Ross.

Whoa, you are loosing it my little goldfish.

No comment to go with the illustration?

 

[proudveteran06]

Whoa, you are loosing it my little goldfish.

No comment to go with the illustration?

There are barely any areas under Israeli Sovereignty so what is he babbling about?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Whoa, you are loosing it my little goldfish.

No comment to go with the illustration?

Sure, where is that 95%?

Or was that just a lie?

 

[Hossfly]

A recent history of the conflict for the uninformed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcSYUItDdZc

Source:

Lying sack of shit, Dennis Ross.

Watch the video, Tinmore and let us know if Yessir Arafart was a lying sack of Hamas.

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/165975/video-arafat-recognizes-israel-as-a-jewish-state