Abbas suggests Obama promised 67 lines - E. Jerusalem

[Hossfly]

assuming that were the case with me, don't you have a pro-israel mentality?

what concessions would you have israel make?

I can answer both questions.
1. Goddamn right.

2. None whatsever.

so again, you clearly feel that peace is not an option

Peace is an option. All the Pallihoovians have to do is play by the rules.

 

[ogibillm]

I can answer both questions.
1. Goddamn right.

2. None whatsever.

so again, you clearly feel that peace is not an option

Peace is an option. All the Pallihoovians have to do is play by the rules.

the rules israel makes. do you not see how that isn't a negotiation at all?

would you settle for only the scraps someone else decided you could have?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

peace, with any border, is preferable to the current situation.

I don't think so. Just sayin'.

so you have no interest in peace. got it.

We have seen the peace that the Palestinians provide. Constant rocket mortar and missile attacks, kidnappings, murder, suicide attacks, tunnels under the border to kidnap more.

Any peace with them is a joke. Further they categorically deny recognition of the Jewish State. They refuse to renounce attacks and kidnappings. They refuse to rein in terrorist organizations. They purposefully teach their young to hate Jews and to martyr themselves when old enough or join terror groups.

Unless and until the Palestinians renounce all the ways they attack deny and murder Jews there can never be peace.

 

[Vigilante]

so again, you clearly feel that peace is not an option

Peace is an option. All the Pallihoovians have to do is play by the rules.

the rules israel makes. do you not see how that isn't a negotiation at all?

would you settle for only the scraps someone else decided you could have?

You THINK the so called Palestinians could find another place to live and breed besides Israel, I mean, HALF that land is unoccupied!

 

[ogibillm]

I don't think so. Just sayin'.

so you have no interest in peace. got it.

We have seen the peace that the Palestinians provide. Constant rocket mortar and missile attacks, kidnappings, murder, suicide attacks, tunnels under the border to kidnap more.

Any peace with them is a joke. Further they categorically deny recognition of the Jewish State. They refuse to renounce attacks and kidnappings. They refuse to rein in terrorist organizations. They purposefully teach their young to hate Jews and to martyr themselves when old enough or join terror groups.

Unless and until the Palestinians renounce all the ways they attack deny and murder Jews there can never be peace.

you need to try to put yourself in their shoes. how would react in their situation?
they're boxed in, not allowed self determination. resources and movement are restricted, and it's not uncommon to have tanks rolling through their neighborhoods killing people in a 10 to 1 ratio.

it's important to keep that in mind - perspective is everything.

 

[Hossfly]

so you have no interest in peace. got it.

We have seen the peace that the Palestinians provide. Constant rocket mortar and missile attacks, kidnappings, murder, suicide attacks, tunnels under the border to kidnap more.

Any peace with them is a joke. Further they categorically deny recognition of the Jewish State. They refuse to renounce attacks and kidnappings. They refuse to rein in terrorist organizations. They purposefully teach their young to hate Jews and to martyr themselves when old enough or join terror groups.

Unless and until the Palestinians renounce all the ways they attack deny and murder Jews there can never be peace.

you need to try to put yourself in their shoes. how would react in their situation?
they're boxed in, not allowed self determination. resources and movement are restricted, and it's not uncommon to have tanks rolling through their neighborhoods killing people in a 10 to 1 ratio.

it's important to keep that in mind - perspective is everything.

You're surrounded, Custer. Fold your tent and go silently into the night.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

so you have no interest in peace. got it.

We have seen the peace that the Palestinians provide. Constant rocket mortar and missile attacks, kidnappings, murder, suicide attacks, tunnels under the border to kidnap more.

Any peace with them is a joke. Further they categorically deny recognition of the Jewish State. They refuse to renounce attacks and kidnappings. They refuse to rein in terrorist organizations. They purposefully teach their young to hate Jews and to martyr themselves when old enough or join terror groups.

Unless and until the Palestinians renounce all the ways they attack deny and murder Jews there can never be peace.

you need to try to put yourself in their shoes. how would react in their situation?
they're boxed in, not allowed self determination. resources and movement are restricted, and it's not uncommon to have tanks rolling through their neighborhoods killing people in a 10 to 1 ratio.

it's important to keep that in mind - perspective is everything.

You blindly refuse to recognize those incidents are the direct result of attacks on Israel. Israel offered to help them set up their own Government years ago and the response was direct attacks on Israel and the intifada.

 

[ogibillm]

We have seen the peace that the Palestinians provide. Constant rocket mortar and missile attacks, kidnappings, murder, suicide attacks, tunnels under the border to kidnap more.

Any peace with them is a joke. Further they categorically deny recognition of the Jewish State. They refuse to renounce attacks and kidnappings. They refuse to rein in terrorist organizations. They purposefully teach their young to hate Jews and to martyr themselves when old enough or join terror groups.

Unless and until the Palestinians renounce all the ways they attack deny and murder Jews there can never be peace.

you need to try to put yourself in their shoes. how would react in their situation?
they're boxed in, not allowed self determination. resources and movement are restricted, and it's not uncommon to have tanks rolling through their neighborhoods killing people in a 10 to 1 ratio.

it's important to keep that in mind - perspective is everything.

You blindly refuse to recognize those incidents are the direct result of attacks on Israel. Israel offered to help them set up their own Government years ago and the response was direct attacks on Israel and the intifada.

the only thing i refuse to do is give either side a pass.

playing the 'but he started it' game doesn't move things forward or help anyone.

 

[Hossfly]

you need to try to put yourself in their shoes. how would react in their situation?
they're boxed in, not allowed self determination. resources and movement are restricted, and it's not uncommon to have tanks rolling through their neighborhoods killing people in a 10 to 1 ratio.

it's important to keep that in mind - perspective is everything.

You blindly refuse to recognize those incidents are the direct result of attacks on Israel. Israel offered to help them set up their own Government years ago and the response was direct attacks on Israel and the intifada.

the only thing i refuse to do is give either side a pass.

playing the 'but he started it' game doesn't move things forward or help anyone.

You win a seegar! But you lost the game.

 

[Phoenall]

peace, with any border, is preferable to the current situation.

I don't think so. Just sayin'.

so you have no interest in peace. got it.

Would you prefer to see the situation carry on much as it is now, or to see every Jewish man, woman and child brutally slaughtered and the land of Israel destroyed because they agreed to your kind of peace. Because make no bones about it that is the outcome if Israel concedes to your peace with any borders.

 

[Phoenall]

so you have no interest in peace. got it.

What is your mental problem. Israel GAVE Arafat 95% of what they wanted YEARS ago, and was turned down!

The PA did not want land. The land is only and excuse to do what they really want. That is to kill all Israelis and take Israel off the map

i see that posted a lot, but it's so much crap. first, fairly sure that "95%" is not a real number but is so much made up propaganda.

second, it assumes that every desire is equally weighted. we all know that just isn't true.

finally, you may claim that the PA doesn't want land and only wants to kill, but if that's true they aren't nearly as good at is as the IDF.

No it is real and can be found if you google Camp David. 95% OF WHAT WAS INITIALLY DEMANDED AND ARAFAT REFUSED TO EVEN SIT DOWN AND TALK. HE JUST DEMANDED MORE AND MORE CONDITIONS BEFORE HE WOULD TALK. THEN HE WALKED OUT AND ASKED CLINTON IF HE WAS PROUD OF HIS HARDLINE STANCE.

Don't take my word for it read this

Camp David, 2000

The details were not disclosed formally, but according to media reports Barak's offer included:
•Israeli redeployment from 95% of the West Bank and 100% of the Gaza Strip
•The creation of a Palestinian state in the areas of Israeli withdrawal
•The removal of isolated settlements and transfer of the land to Palestinian control
•Other Israeli land exchanged for West Bank settlements remaining under Israeli control
•Palestinian control over East Jerusalem, including most of the Old City
•"Religious Sovereignty" over the Temple Mount, replacing Israeli sovereignty in effect since 1967

In return Arafat had to declare the "end of conflict" and agree that no further claims on Israel could be made in the future. Despite the considerable concessions by Israel, Arafat chose not to negotiate, not to make a counter-offer but to just walk out. This was typical of the Palestinian leader's style: offer nothing, just say no and wait for more concessions. In fact, the Palestinian negotiating team did make concessions during the negotiating process, but Arafat himself never agreed.

 

[Phoenall]

i see that posted a lot, but it's so much crap. first, fairly sure that "95%" is not a real number but is so much made up propaganda.

second, it assumes that every desire is equally weighted. we all know that just isn't true.

finally, you may claim that the PA doesn't want land and only wants to kill, but if that's true they aren't nearly as good at is as the IDF.

Why are you saying that the number 95% is not true?? Ever hear of the Camp David summit?
Do a little research before you call someones comment 'propaganda'

i've heard of it, and i have no idea how the 95% number is arrived at.

but it doesn't really matter, because once again not all desires are equal.

What happened to your other screen names, have they been wiped ?

 

[Phoenall]

Why are you saying that the number 95% is not true?? Ever hear of the Camp David summit?

He"s lying . Ask him for links that prove he's right and there will be no response . When challenged as to why Israel should give in to all demands and the Palestinians make no concessions there is no response . It's called Pro Palestinian Mentality.

assuming that were the case with me, don't you have a pro-israel mentality?

what concessions would you have israel make?

Those detailed in the UN charter and Res 242, and not another one. Time for the Israelis to be hard line and say sign or we impose an intifada on you, see how the Palestinians like getting some back.

 

[Phoenall]

so again, you clearly feel that peace is not an option

Peace is an option. All the Pallihoovians have to do is play by the rules.

the rules israel makes. do you not see how that isn't a negotiation at all?

would you settle for only the scraps someone else decided you could have?

Try the rules that the UN make, the Geneva conventions and the IHL. The very rules Israel is forced to play by while the Palestinians unleash illegal chemical/biological weapons on them.

 

[Phoenall]

so you have no interest in peace. got it.

We have seen the peace that the Palestinians provide. Constant rocket mortar and missile attacks, kidnappings, murder, suicide attacks, tunnels under the border to kidnap more.

Any peace with them is a joke. Further they categorically deny recognition of the Jewish State. They refuse to renounce attacks and kidnappings. They refuse to rein in terrorist organizations. They purposefully teach their young to hate Jews and to martyr themselves when old enough or join terror groups.

Unless and until the Palestinians renounce all the ways they attack deny and murder Jews there can never be peace.

you need to try to put yourself in their shoes. how would react in their situation?
they're boxed in, not allowed self determination. resources and movement are restricted, and it's not uncommon to have tanks rolling through their neighborhoods killing people in a 10 to 1 ratio.

it's important to keep that in mind - perspective is everything.

They can leave at any time they want.

The have self determination and use it to attack Israeli children

Legally as it happens and warranted, would you give a child a box of matches to play with

BULLSHIT that is another pallywood LIE and BLOOD LIBEL

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Yasser Arafat's not so brainy quotes:
Yasser Arafat Quotes - BrainyQuote

 

[jillian]

The Jewish Press » » Abbas Suggests Obama Promised ?67 Lines, E. Jerusalem Capital



U.S. President Barack Obama met in the Oval Office with Mahmoud Abbas, the acting leader of the Palestinian Authority late morning on Monday, March 17.

Obama spoke first, welcoming Abbas to his office. As noted elsewhere in The Jewish Press, Obama made several absurd comments, such as commending Abbas as someone “who has consistently renounced violence, has consistently sought a diplomatic and peaceful solution that allows for two states, side by side, in peace and security; a state that allows for the dignity and sovereignty of the Palestinian people and a state that allows for Israelis to feel secure and at peace with their neighbors.”

But Abbas also played with Obama’s words.

Obama uttered his standard “everybody understands the outlines of what a peace deal would look like, involving a territorial compromise on both sides based on ’67 lines with mutually agreed upon swaps,” and never said a word about Jerusalem.

In Abbas’s responsive remarks, he transformed what Obama said into something quite different. Abbas made it sound as though Obama said that there would be a Palestinian State with the “’67 lines” (actually, the 1949 Armistice Lines) as its western border, and with eastern Jerusalem as its capital.



I have a question; What exactly are the differences between the 1949 Borders that the Arabs rejected and the 67 Borders that were also rejected THANKS !

suddenly you believe abbas? lmao…

he always said 67 lines WITH EXCHANGES…. which has been US policy for every president before him.

 

[Sallow]

peace, with any border, is preferable to the current situation.

" 67 Borders" that were never recognized before, no access to E. Jerusalem and " Right of Return'? NEVER. !!

You an Israeli?

 

[Sallow]

Peace is an option. All the Pallihoovians have to do is play by the rules.

the rules israel makes. do you not see how that isn't a negotiation at all?

would you settle for only the scraps someone else decided you could have?

Try the rules that the UN make, the Geneva conventions and the IHL. The very rules Israel is forced to play by while the Palestinians unleash illegal chemical/biological weapons on them.

What?

 

[jillian]

peace, with any border, is preferable to the current situation.

" 67 Borders" that were never recognized before, no access to E. Jerusalem and " Right of Return'? NEVER. !!

actually "right of return" was part of the negotiations when arafat last negotiated

perhaps knowing history would be good for you.

there will never be a right of "return".